Which ones of Axl's indescretions do you find it diificult to forgive him for?

[November_rain]

The domestic violence.

People keep bringing this out all the time. And there´s no doubt that was fucking wrong and that it has no justification at all but you guys act as if he had beaten you instead. This beating/violent stuff is not our business, this is between Axl and the women involved and they should be the ones who have the right to forgive him or not, not you. Axl might be your favourite singer or not, he might have done shit wrong or right but at the end of the day he is just a stranger, someone you don´t know and to think that you have to forgive him for something is ridiculous.

[dalsh327]

Slander = locking threads and Axl's lawyers shutting the forum down.

We saw how easily the forum was almost shut down a couple of years ago.

[Mr. Dude]

the snake-skin boots he wears. How many snakes had to die for Axl to look cool? Clearly this intense hatred for snakes is meant as a swipe at Slash.

Edited January 4, 2014 by Mr. Dude

[gunnari]

My list of Axl's sins:

Horrible performances at RIR 11' and Bridge School

Lack of communication with the fans

1 album in 20 years

Hiring TB as management

CD

not doing a reunion

[stella]

The domestic violence.

People keep bringing this out all the time. And there´s no doubt that was fucking wrong and that it has no justification at all but you guys act as if he had beaten you instead. This beating/violent stuff is not our business, this is between Axl and the women involved and they should be the ones who have the right to forgive him or not, not you. Axl might be your favourite singer or not, he might have done shit wrong or right but at the end of the day he is just a stranger, someone you don´t know and to think that you have to forgive him for something is ridiculous.

It may not be our personal business - and you're right that the forgiveness, or not, lies with the women who were victims, not the bystanders.

However...having said that, for me personally, I've seen numerous people who have had their lives ruined by DV. And that, and rape/molestation, are the two things that will always make me think far less of a person, no matter what else they do. That's really how I was reading the OP's question, "what has he done that makes you lose respect for him/what has he done that you cannot forget or overlook."

[saber_]

I'm curious. How many of the women settled? Why would they settle?

What does it mean when a settlement takes away the emotional pain?

[Apollo]

The domestic violence.

People keep bringing this out all the time. And there´s no doubt that was fucking wrong and that it has no justification at all but you guys act as if he had beaten you instead. This beating/violent stuff is not our business, this is between Axl and the women involved and they should be the ones who have the right to forgive him or not, not you. Axl might be your favourite singer or not, he might have done shit wrong or right but at the end of the day he is just a stranger, someone you don´t know and to think that you have to forgive him for something is ridiculous.

It may not be our personal business - and you're right that the forgiveness, or not, lies with the women who were victims, not the bystanders.

However...having said that, for me personally, I've seen numerous people who have had their lives ruined by DV. And that, and rape/molestation, are the two things that will always make me think far less of a person, no matter what else they do. That's really how I was reading the OP's question, "what has he done that makes you lose respect for him/what has he done that you cannot forget or overlook."

Great post.

I don't know anybody who was killed in the 9/11 attacks.........I don't know anybody that Jeffrey Dahmer killed and ate..............I don't know anybody that Ted Bundy raped and murdered.............some rock singer just got arrested on child porn charges, I don't know him or any of the children that he molested...................does that mean I'm not allowed to comment on what they did, or think that what they did is wrong?

Are all the people in here defending Axl or saying that we have no right to comment on what he did - because we don't know him - following their own demands that they are saying the rest of us should do? I'd be willing to be money that you aren't following your own advice. I could be wrong though and maybe you guys aren't complete hypocrites. Maybe you have NEVER made a comment about a celebrity's actions that you disagreed with.

[Cosmo]

What Axl does with his private life doesn't really bother me as much as what he did to GnR. When he took the name, he took a responsibility with it. He put it upon himself to please his fans to at least an acceptable minimum like every band out there. But he couldn't really do that, and he could if he wanted to, that's what bothers me. CD was great. Axl wants more time to release CD2? Alrighty then, release a live album, a live DVD, a boxset, a b-sides album, a remix album, re-release the old albums, anything would be enough to buy him time for another album. He just won't do it.

[weaponsnflowers]

the snake-skin boots he wears. How many snakes had to die for Axl to look cool? Clearly this intense hatred for snakes is meant as a swipe at Slash.

Lol this actually makes sense! I do feel bad for those snakes, for real. Axl should be more considerate. He should use hemp shoes.

[EvH]

I don't have to forgive him for anything, but I despise women beaters.

[ShadowOfTheWave]

I despise women who are beaten and choose to stay with the beater, then complain afterwards.

[AppetiteForGnR]

That he puts ppl down by calling them lesbian and cancer.

[ShadowOfTheWave]

That he puts ppl down by calling them lesbian and cancer.

He was saying she was behaving like an angry lesbian. It's a stereotype, but not a homophobic remark in itself.

[Apollo]

That he puts ppl down by calling them lesbian and cancer.

He was saying she was behaving like an angry lesbian. It's a stereotype, but not a homophobic remark in itself.

Wow.

Not sure which comment is more ridiculous and idiotic. This one or the one about disliking women who complain about being beaten.

Naw........on second thought, no logical thinking human being with a triple digit IQ would actually think those things. You are being sarcastic......right? Please tell me you are trying to be funny or sarcastic. Right?

[ShadowOfTheWave]

That he puts ppl down by calling them lesbian and cancer.

He was saying she was behaving like an angry lesbian. It's a stereotype, but not a homophobic remark in itself.

Wow.

Not sure which comment is more ridiculous and idiotic. This one or the one about disliking women who complain about being beaten.

Naw........on second thought, no logical thinking human being with a triple digit IQ would actually think those things. You are being sarcastic......right? Please tell me you are trying to be funny or sarcastic. Right?

I should have worded it differently. I'm not saying I have a problem with women complaining about being beaten, and I realize it's difficult for a lot of them to get out a situation like that, especially those with families. But I have no sympathy for women like Erin & Stephanie who were abused, stayed with their abuser, then bitch about it & file lawsuits afterwards. Why didn't they leave after his first psychotic outburst? It's like people suing cigarette companies after they get sick. Why do you sympathize with women who stay with their abusers when they can leave?

I don't see which part of my second comment is ridiculous or idiotic. I simply don't agree that it is a homophobic remark, Axl said nothing about hating lesbians or thinking they were lesser people or anything like that. He used the term "angry lesbian", and that is definitely a popular stereotype. Maybe a bit tasteless, but not homophobic.

Edited January 5, 2014 by ShadowOfTheWave

[shannen]

Slander = locking threads and Axl's lawyers shutting the forum down.

We saw how easily the forum was almost shut down a couple of years ago.

Let he who is without sin cast the first stone.

[GN'R Lies]

The Stones were 'junkies' also. Imagine if Mick Jagger got Keith to sign the band name over before dissolving the band, forming a new band with the same name then trying to sign the same Keef bloody Richards, founding member of the band and its soul, as a gormless Nugnr-style lackey? I do not think many people would forgive Mick either. But The Rolling Stones and Mick Jagger did not do that thank-the-lord, and in fact recorded some of their greatest and most creative records while strung out on junk such as Sticky Fingers and Exile on Main St.

Even the very manner in which Axl took over Guns N Roses is deeply machiavellian, dissolving the old band and creating a new band with the same name like some sort of bankrupt New York corporation employing a IRS tax dodge. It strikes me as cunning, sly and deeply amoral.

I've been thinking of the word to describe his behaviour rather than indescetions, as it's the sum of all parts that make the man - an indescetion is just an outcome. The word is machiavellian. Nice one.

[shannen]

The Stones were 'junkies' also. Imagine if Mick Jagger got Keith to sign the band name over before dissolving the band, forming a new band with the same name then trying to sign the same Keef bloody Richards, founding member of the band and its soul, as a gormless Nugnr-style lackey? I do not think many people would forgive Mick either. But The Rolling Stones and Mick Jagger did not do that thank-the-lord, and in fact recorded some of their greatest and most creative records while strung out on junk such as Sticky Fingers and Exile on Main St.

Even the very manner in which Axl took over Guns N Roses is deeply machiavellian, dissolving the old band and creating a new band with the same name like some sort of bankrupt New York corporation employing a IRS tax dodge. It strikes me as cunning, sly and deeply amoral.

I've been thinking of the word to describe his behaviour rather than indescetions, as it's the sum of all parts that make the man - an indescetion is just an outcome. The word is machiavellian. Nice one.

Drama Queens and soap opera addicts love using those words.

[One.In.A.Million]

Axl's biggest problem is not realising the talent he had/has around him at any given time. He doesn't seem to understand that he has had some of the best musicians around him, only to act foolish to have them one after another abandon his band.

And on top of that his biggest flaw is that he doesn't learn from the past, and continues to follow the same pattern.

[stella]

I despise women who are beaten and choose to stay with the beater, then complain afterwards.

You do realize that domestic violence is a very complex issue that isn't as simple as "he beat me, I'm leaving," right? The abuser very often has an emotional and/or financial hold over their victim. They've often alienated the victim's friends and family so she feels that she has nowhere to go that is safe, and nobody to turn to for help. There may be threats involved, ie, "I'll kill myself if you leave me" or "I'll kill YOU if you leave me" (and the latter threat IS followed up on, many times). A victim may be psychologically manipulated over time and may feel she deserves the abuse ("if you hadn't made me mad, I wouldn't have had to hit you"). The abuser might apologize and promise never to do it again. There might be some Stockholm Syndrome happening. Add kids or pets to this mix and you have even more difficulty getting away (since the kids or pets might be harmed too). Also, a fair number of abusers are extremely charming and when they say "I'm sorry, I promise I'll never hit you again," the victim wants to believe it. Or they feel they can be the one to help the abuser overcome his/her issues - there's actually a component of the victim wanting to help the abuser be a better person. Plus, since the abuser is often so outwardly charming and friendly to everyone, if she leaves, she looks like the bad guy, nobody believes her if she says what happened behind closed doors, and people are more likely to stand with her abuser than with her.

And I want to say for the record that I am NOT insinuating that any of these apply to the situation we're talking about; I'm just trying to point out that there are a lot of mitigating factors that make it very hard for abuse victims to leave.

Also, a lot of the times people don't come to terms with abuse that's happened to them or feel comfortable speaking out about it until way after the fact. Look at Axl. He was abused as a kid but only started talking about it in his late 20s. Same thing with Steven Adler, you didn't hear him talking about his abuse experiences until recently. It's very, very common. You black out the abuse memory so you can go on with your life, but it eventually comes back to bite you. As I recall, Erin didn't come forward with her abuse until she was supeoaned by Stephanie and was forced to talk about it in court.

Edited January 5, 2014 by stella

[dalsh327]

Slander = locking threads and Axl's lawyers shutting the forum down.

We saw how easily the forum was almost shut down a couple of years ago.

Let he who is without sin cast the first stone.

And he who is without lawyers?

[wasted]

Slander = locking threads and Axl's lawyers shutting the forum down.

We saw how easily the forum was almost shut down a couple of years ago.

Let he who is without sin cast the first stone.

And he who is without lawyers?

be an awesome jail house bitch.

[GN'R Lies]

The Stones were 'junkies' also. Imagine if Mick Jagger got Keith to sign the band name over before dissolving the band, forming a new band with the same name then trying to sign the same Keef bloody Richards, founding member of the band and its soul, as a gormless Nugnr-style lackey? I do not think many people would forgive Mick either. But The Rolling Stones and Mick Jagger did not do that thank-the-lord, and in fact recorded some of their greatest and most creative records while strung out on junk such as Sticky Fingers and Exile on Main St.

Even the very manner in which Axl took over Guns N Roses is deeply machiavellian, dissolving the old band and creating a new band with the same name like some sort of bankrupt New York corporation employing a IRS tax dodge. It strikes me as cunning, sly and deeply amoral.

I've been thinking of the word to describe his behaviour rather than indescetions, as it's the sum of all parts that make the man - an indescetion is just an outcome. The word is machiavellian. Nice one.

Drama Queens and soap opera addicts love using those words.

Do they?

[shannen]

Slander = locking threads and Axl's lawyers shutting the forum down.

We saw how easily the forum was almost shut down a couple of years ago.

Let he who is without sin cast the first stone.

And he who is without lawyers?

Be a public defender unto himself? Litigation and mitigation make all the Perry Masons necessary in today's climate.

[November_rain]

The domestic violence.

People keep bringing this out all the time. And there´s no doubt that was fucking wrong and that it has no justification at all but you guys act as if he had beaten you instead. This beating/violent stuff is not our business, this is between Axl and the women involved and they should be the ones who have the right to forgive him or not, not you. Axl might be your favourite singer or not, he might have done shit wrong or right but at the end of the day he is just a stranger, someone you don´t know and to think that you have to forgive him for something is ridiculous.

It may not be our personal business - and you're right that the forgiveness, or not, lies with the women who were victims, not the bystanders.

However...having said that, for me personally, I've seen numerous people who have had their lives ruined by DV. And that, and rape/molestation, are the two things that will always make me think far less of a person, no matter what else they do. That's really how I was reading the OP's question, "what has he done that makes you lose respect for him/what has he done that you cannot forget or overlook."

Well, I understood the question was adressed in a GNR-related sense, not regarding Axl as an individual involving facts of his personal life.

The domestic violence.

People keep bringing this out all the time. And there´s no doubt that was fucking wrong and that it has no justification at all but you guys act as if he had beaten you instead. This beating/violent stuff is not our business, this is between Axl and the women involved and they should be the ones who have the right to forgive him or not, not you. Axl might be your favourite singer or not, he might have done shit wrong or right but at the end of the day he is just a stranger, someone you don´t know and to think that you have to forgive him for something is ridiculous.

It may not be our personal business - and you're right that the forgiveness, or not, lies with the women who were victims, not the bystanders.

However...having said that, for me personally, I've seen numerous people who have had their lives ruined by DV. And that, and rape/molestation, are the two things that will always make me think far less of a person, no matter what else they do. That's really how I was reading the OP's question, "what has he done that makes you lose respect for him/what has he done that you cannot forget or overlook."

Great post.

I don't know anybody who was killed in the 9/11 attacks.........I don't know anybody that Jeffrey Dahmer killed and ate..............I don't know anybody that Ted Bundy raped and murdered.............some rock singer just got arrested on child porn charges, I don't know him or any of the children that he molested...................does that mean I'm not allowed to comment on what they did, or think that what they did is wrong?

Are all the people in here defending Axl or saying that we have no right to comment on what he did - because we don't know him - following their own demands that they are saying the rest of us should do? I'd be willing to be money that you aren't following your own advice. I could be wrong though and maybe you guys aren't complete hypocrites. Maybe you have NEVER made a comment about a celebrity's actions that you disagreed with.

Oh dear, is my English that bad? Really?. I´ve re-read my post and nowhere in it does it say that you can´t comment on what Axl did and I didn´t tell anyone what they should do either. All I said is that you people are not the ones who have the right to forgive Axl for what he did, that is something that belongs to the women involved. You don´t even know the guy and some of you feel you have to forgive him for something regarding his personal life? Are you serious?.