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Hehe well it's working! We did get a few seconds of Robin in the official Perhaps. I need to try harder though.

Is it wrong that I would prefer the ~'99 rerecorded AFD over an actual AFD lineup tour/show?

The hell kind of a name is Jarmo anyways? Sounds like Elmo's brother or something.

She looks hella good, especially in stockings. Anyone have her number? Maybe she can hook us up with some CD2 tunes.

Right, but that doesn't mean it didn't exist.

Axl said it at least two or three times.

Please don't perpetuate CD2 songs as being CD2 songs because they were not good enough for the first album.

Glad I'm not the only one who noticed!

Good to know! Thanks. He did play in Michigan on the other side of the state from me a few years back, but I opted not to go because it was in or near Flint.

I like a few of the songs from Myles Kennedy's Ides Of March album. I don't think I could stand his singing for more than an hour though, if that.

Happy birthday, Axl!

I wonder if Taylor Swift has access to or the connections to obtain unreleased CD2 material. If so, we need to recruit the hottest men here to try to date her.

I get where you are coming from, but I would argue most albums, even by the big bands, only have a handful at most of good songs. Tons of filler, with a few single worthy songs. Guns is no exception, though I happen to enjoy most of CD and AFD. I feel UYI is half filler, at best between the two CDs. I like If The World, I feel it's one of the best mixed songs they have done.

Tommy was in the band for a very long time. His word is credible. Even if he exaggerated a little, if Axl didn’t record for a year or two, that’s still a lot of recording. They can and do record while on the road. It’s not hard for them to book a recording studio anywhere they happen to be on a tour. It’s not like the band is performing 24/7 while on tour. They get breaks. They gotta eat, they gotta sleep. They rest as well and do fun and productive things while on the road.

While I enjoy every song on CD, the weakest ones to me are Chinese Democracy, Riad, and IRS. Edit: The 2000 mixes of the above put the songs a notch or two above the 2008 mixes, in my opinion.

CD wasn’t a masterpiece, you say? Get the fuck outta here! Just playin. I go back and forth, I think we are all so used to CD that something new or fresh from that era with all the anticipation sounds better.

Maybe they had a version with Axl on lead, or maybe it was never intended as a single or lead single. (Going Down) I suppose anything is possible, seeing how the first "new" Guns song with Slash and Duff back was Absurd. I believe a fan was told by Axl around that same time (late CD-era) that Axl wanted to get Silkworms out. He must really like that song. It is really fun to listen to live.

That is possible, but I believe in 2011 an album was more of a possibility than anything else, especially since multiple unheard songs were reported to have been played at the 2010 after-party. I think bandmembers have commented on CD2 being a little more strange or weird, perhaps it was Richard. So far with what we have heard from it, I agree. (Especially after the Village leaks) Maybe Axl was getting burned out by then, when putting lyrics to the Buckethead songs, thus the simplicity/repedative nature of them compared to some of the more complex/epic or longer 2008 album tunes. Indeed, Perhaps and Atlas, and Hardschool would balance out the Soul Monster, and The General types of songs.

The best info we have in regard to getting an idea of the content of CD2 is the leaked song list from January 2008: (My notes in bold) ********** Cuban Skies V - Unheard outside of the fan who met Axl in 2003 claiming he played it for him The General Ch V - Officially released in 2023, leaked prior Atlas L - Leaked in 2019 Soul M V - Leaked in 2023 as Monsters, heard in 2010 Vienna after-party, excerpt recording leaked in poor quality Silk H - Silkworks was officially released in 2021 as Absurd, two mixes labeled as Silkworms leaked prior Thyme L - Leaked in 2019 (instrumental) Pro2 V - Blood In The Water? or other Prostitute remix Chi2 D V? - Chinese Democracy remix? Better2 - Better remix? (3 leaked years ago) TIL2 V - This I Love remix? (leaked years ago) Goin Down - Two mixes leaked, one with Axl on backing vocals Tonto V Br - Leaked in 2019 (instrumental) Monstrocity V lyr - A song we are aware of under a different name, or a completely new song? Catcher ? - Officially released in 2008 (Some songs bounced between the first two albums) Nothin ? - Leaked in 2019 JChan ? - Leaked in 2019 as Hardschool, officially released in 2021 as Hard Skool ?? L editing V - PRL? Otherwise, unknown Perhaps ? - Leaked in 2019, officially released in 2023 OMG2 ? - Axl talked of a remix of Oh My God, we also have a Bumblefoot and Buckethead leak mix that leaked years after the 1999 official release of Oh My God 4 Heavens. ? Sing - Probably one of the different KOHD versions worked on during the CD era, some of which leaked, both as instrumentals and with an Axl vocal take Light My Fire - Likely a cover of The Doors song ********** 21 songs listed above, obviously too many for one album. That, in addition to question marks after songs leads me to believe at this point they were planning multiple albums/CDs, OR wanted bonus tracks/remixes released in addition to CD2. I wish we had more context of the list. Several notable songs missing by name from the above list, including: Zodiac 13, Quick Song, Eye On You, State Of Grace, Seven, and Berlin or Oklahoma, and several other titles from the Village leaks. So these songs are listed under different names (Monstrocity, ?? L editing, etc.) or were intended for the third album, or scrapped altogether. Not counting Catcher, the remixes or leaked instrumentals, and including Oh My God and Going Down, we have 9 of the above songs, with Axl vocals. In other words, we have heard a decent chunk of songs that were intended or considered for CD2 as of 2008. Overall, I would say CD2 has a quality and style similar to the 2008 album, perhaps a tad darker, and also simpler. I think if released between 2006-2014, it would have been a Buckethead and Robin heavy masterpiece, and is a personal holy grail of mine. I'm not interested in debating the legitimacy of the CD2 list because I know it to be real, as do a few others who had it well over ten years ago.

That's because they are. Even in 2008-2010, CD2 probably sounded more or less as bloated and overproduced as the 2008 album. NITL ripping those songs apart and adding their parts, mixing and mastering them poorly (has largely been the case so far), doesn't help them any.

I can't hear it in the 2000 mix, but I've seen posts where people claim to hear it there. If it's there in the 2000 mix, it is certainly lower in the mix. I actually like the 2023 version more than the 2000, with one exception being most of Slash's solo. The last bits, the higher notes, fit the song but I don't think he did as good as Robin's solo. It's nice they kept a few seconds of Robin's solo. Weird they didn't just have Slash replicate that part and do a transition into his own solo. Would have been easier just to keep Robin in, and no one except us would know anyways.

I agree. I'm sure Axl works on recording new vocals, and overdubs, backing vocals, touch ups, etc. when he's laying down vocals in the studio. From the Village leaks, we know Axl later recorded vocals for Shackler's, Sorry, Better, and Scraped (which we didn't get any instrumental for then) and that suggests he has probably recorded vocals for additional songs, and we know that to be true with Monsters and The General. I'm certain there are others. As for how many, no one knows for sure but I would bet he has 6-12 additional songs with vocals that were not on the 2008 album or the NITL singles.

Tommy Stinson said Axl recorded vocals every year he was in the band. Tommy was in Guns from 1998 to 2014.

Oh yes, any band with Tommy, Axl, and Bucket would get my attention and money, unless they keep Frank on drums! Just kidding, I'd still see them with Frank.

Most of those songs are about Stephanie, I think.