GH: RE-ENTRY Billboard 200

[Chris 55]

Best buy has really weird pricing going on

http://www.bestbuy.com/site/Use+Your+Illusion+II+-+CD/19470459.p?id=2247759&skuId=19470459&st=guns%20n%20roses&lp=1&cp=1

UYI2 is $38 etc

Release was 11/15/2011

Edited December 2, 2011 by Chris 55

[Tyler Drama]

Best buy has really weird pricing going on

http://www.bestbuy.com/site/Use+Your+Illusion+II+-+CD/19470459.p?id=2247759&skuId=19470459&st=guns%20n%20roses&lp=1&cp=1

UYI2 is $38 etc

Release was 11/15/2011

[Use Your Delusion 1]

Greatest Hits must have had over 220 weeks on the charts by now! Rock on!

[Val22]

Good and now if only fans can actually buy CD it would be up there as well....but i heard it is nowhere to be found in the US?

I got my copy from a private seller through amazon.com

It has 3 songs added:

Ain't it fun

If I don't have you

Sympathy for the Devil

I tried to get it directly through amazon.com but they said it was discontinued or out of stock or whatever. Anyway, there are plenty of sellers selling GNR greatest hits on the amazon.com site

I bought a copy years ago when it was first released but my husband "borrowed it", so I bought another copy which is cool since it has those 3 songs added to it now.

[James Bond]

Good and now if only fans can actually buy CD it would be up there as well....but i heard it is nowhere to be found in the US?

I got my copy from a private seller through amazon.com

It has 3 songs added:

Ain't it fun

If I don't have you

Sympathy for the Devil

I tried to get it directly through amazon.com but they said it was discontinued or out of stock or whatever. Anyway, there are plenty of sellers selling GNR greatest hits on the amazon.com site

I bought a copy years ago when it was first released but my husband "borrowed it", so I bought another copy which is cool since it has those 3 songs added to it now.

Greatest Hits has always had those songs on it. I bought my copy in 2004 when it first came out. He was talking about it being hard to find Chinese Democracy.

[Val22]

Good and now if only fans can actually buy CD it would be up there as well....but i heard it is nowhere to be found in the US?

I got my copy from a private seller through amazon.com

It has 3 songs added:

Ain't it fun

If I don't have you

Sympathy for the Devil

I tried to get it directly through amazon.com but they said it was discontinued or out of stock or whatever. Anyway, there are plenty of sellers selling GNR greatest hits on the amazon.com site

I bought a copy years ago when it was first released but my husband "borrowed it", so I bought another copy which is cool since it has those 3 songs added to it now.

Greatest Hits has always had those songs on it. I bought my copy in 2004 when it first came out. He was talking about it being hard to find Chinese Democracy.

OH sorry. I don't think my copy has those songs. I'll have to check.

I'm sure you can get CD online too. I think maybe the record company needs to re-release CD again because I think after this US tour, fans who didn't buy it will now. My son didn't like the cd until he saw Axl and gNR sing some of the songs live and he's watched Better on youtube and loves it now.

Because there was like no promotiong for CD back then, the record company needs to release it again and I bet more fans will buy it. Some people were reluctant to buy it because it took so long to come out and got no promotiong or air play, but I loved the cd from the start and still love it.

It's where Axl is now and that's progress for him and for us fans to enjoy it.

[James Bond]

Good and now if only fans can actually buy CD it would be up there as well....but i heard it is nowhere to be found in the US?

I got my copy from a private seller through amazon.com

It has 3 songs added:

Ain't it fun

If I don't have you

Sympathy for the Devil

I tried to get it directly through amazon.com but they said it was discontinued or out of stock or whatever. Anyway, there are plenty of sellers selling GNR greatest hits on the amazon.com site

I bought a copy years ago when it was first released but my husband "borrowed it", so I bought another copy which is cool since it has those 3 songs added to it now.

Greatest Hits has always had those songs on it. I bought my copy in 2004 when it first came out. He was talking about it being hard to find Chinese Democracy.

OH sorry. I don't think my copy has those songs. I'll have to check.

I'm sure you can get CD online too. I think maybe the record company needs to re-release CD again because I think after this US tour, fans who didn't buy it will now. My son didn't like the cd until he saw Axl and gNR sing some of the songs live and he's watched Better on youtube and loves it now.

Because there was like no promotiong for CD back then, the record company needs to release it again and I bet more fans will buy it. Some people were reluctant to buy it because it took so long to come out and got no promotiong or air play, but I loved the cd from the start and still love it.

It's where Axl is now and that's progress for him and for us fans to enjoy it.

A lot of people thought the whole Best Buy doing it for $1.99 was to clear the shelves to anticipate a re-release to coincide with this tour, but I think they were just trying to get rid of the abundance of copies. That being said, they probably had planned a re-release but for whatever reason it fell through. You can still get it online of course, but it's annoying that it isn't available in decent quantities in stores for the average fan who was maybe turned on to the album from the tour. Thus, maybe some of the people who WERE going to buy Chinese Democracy after seeing one of the shows opted for Greatest Hits instead. Hard to say. It's also nearing Christmas time and Greatest Hits would be a logical gift for anyone who is a casual fan or just getting into them, so that's always a possibility too.

I'm glad to say I've had my copy of Chinese Democracy since day one and love it.

[Apollo]

Classic......no offense, but time to grow up mate.

Let's leave the stalking bs, holding grudges and all that crap behind and try and act like adults. I didn't insult you, nor did I bash what you said. And I didn't bring up any past arguments.

Pretty ironic you tell me to grow up when in the past you have accused me of stalking you and recently of holding grudges when I responded to one of your posts so stop being a hypocrite Apollo......

You posted something that was negative towards the new band, which is what you always do. I know how important it is to you to make sure the new band never gets any credit.

Nothing negative about my post mate as I was just making an observation based on my own experience as I go to a fair number of concerts by legacy bands I grew up listening to and a ggod portion of fans at the shows, never said all of them as you claim, are there for the old hits they know not the new music. Now if I had said the new band and ChiDem sucks and nobody goes to the shows to hear the Chidem you would have a point.

And actually I do give the new band and Axl credit where it is due. I have said Axl is singing great, the Nuband puts on entertaining shows and the U.S. tour is a success but of course you filtered that out from my posts as you only look for what you perceive as negative.........You are so hyper sensitive and paranoid about people criticizing the band you jump on any post you see as criticism...not bashing you just making another observation..........

Bobbo and I have battled for months on here...but we agreed to stop with all the insults and to be respectful and stick to debating the actual topic. Which we are doing here.

It is ok to disagree with somebody without insulting them.

Again ironic as you continiuosly criticize me and others for perceived bashing of the band which is not true so who is being the hypocrite here? Don't expect me to stop offering my opinion because you don't like it or see it as negative. Don't like what I post? as you said to me recently block my post then pretty simple yes?

So I will once again respond to your actual post.

No doubt there are fans like you describe. I just don't agree with your generalization of all of them. I go to shows to hear the old classics as well as the newest songs. As do all of my friends. And the shows I've gone to? People freak out to the classics and popular songs....but its so easy and out to get me and Mr brownstone bring out the puss breaks. I personally use live and let die as my bathroom break song.

You and Bobbo think most people go to concerts to hear old songs. I think most people go to hear old and new.

You are entitled to your opinion and for some bands this may be true but based on my experience I think otherwise and so do other fans on this forum. You have your opinoin and I have mine..Once again you don't agree with me so instead of being open minded and understanding what I said you go into automatic defense mode........

On a side note.....people always say Axl has to stop living off the old songs and let the current band carry their own weight and establish their own identity with new material. But u say fans only go to hear the old stuff. So what is Axl to do? Alienate 25 year fans by not playing the classic songs?

See you are so wrapped around the Axl (pun intended) about people criticizing the band your making an argument where one doesn't exist mate. I am not criticizing Axl for singing the old songs all I am pointing out is that what casual fans go to hear are the old hits and that is the reason GH is back on the charts..You are the one blowing my comment into some big conspiracy to bash Axl...

So I am pretty much finished debating you about imaginary conspiracies Apollo but if you feel the need to craft some long witty rebuttal have at it and I will continue to offer my opinion which fuel your delusions........

Oh well, I tried. Bobbo "got it" and is willing to have discussions that don't involve personal attacks.

Feel better now? Got a few more personal jabs in. Good job mate!!!! I'm a hypocrite, whiner, etc. You got all of that right!!!! You really got me good.

No big long lengthy reply needed. The tone and substance of your message says it all.

I've never blocked anybody on here - I'm interested in all opinions. Shame that you aren't.

Oh well. Keep up the hate, mate. Towards me, towards Axl, towards anybody that praises Axl or the new band, etc, etc, etc. Keep educating us all on the real GnR!

What you reap is what you sow mate....keep on preaching and I will continue ot offer my opinions in spite of you...........

Wow mate. You take this board and yourself way too serious. You should try smiling.....it doesn't hurt.

But sure. I reap what I sow. I preach. And you are able to post your opinions....in spite of big evil me. Yowza.

Seriously mate. If I cause you that much emotion u should put me on ignore. Life is too short to get that worked up about an anonymous poster on a rock forum.

All I requested is for all of us to stop with the personal attacks and focus on the actual topics. Somehow even that brings out the insults from you.

So keep educating people that like the new band, keep ripping Axl, and keep bashing people that disagree with you. I'm not going to continue to play your insult game. You win!!!! You are the insult king. You really handed me my breakfast this time. Oh boy, my feelings are really hurt. Happy????

Now once again.....back on topic.

[Diesel-Power]

GH re-entered the charts because it was on sale during Black Friday at most music outlets for less than $5 ...so everyone shut the fuck up and stop bitching.

[wkuk04]

Greatest hits is poorly done. It's missing some obvious choices like Garden of Eden, Estranged and The Garden or Nightrain would have been nice too. Sympathy shouldn't really be there, too many covers anyway. I'd say drop SIDHY and keep Ain't it Fun but it is greatest hits not best of so keeping SIDHY over Ain't it Fun makes sense. Loss KOHD or LALD maybe.

The background on the cover looks like a preset background from power-point. So cheap looking.

Good to hear it's doing well at least. It does have some of their best songs, obviously. I just wish they had more of the UYI rock songs and less covers.

Hopefully a official gnr version with axls approval comes out some day complete with CD material and unreleased tracks.

[amacfantasy]

if you filter by weeks on chart GH is by far the number 1 album on billboard 200

btw does anyone have any accurate figures on roughly what the GH's current world wide sales are?

[Use Your Delusion 1]

if you filter by weeks on chart GH is by far the number 1 album on billboard 200

btw does anyone have any accurate figures on roughly what the GH's current world wide sales are?

In excess of 8 million I think, I'll have a look

[Tyler Drama]

Greatest hits is poorly done. It's missing some obvious choices like Garden of Eden, Estranged and The Garden or Nightrain would have been nice too. Sympathy shouldn't really be there, too many covers anyway. I'd say drop SIDHY and keep Ain't it Fun but it is greatest hits not best of so keeping SIDHY over Ain't it Fun makes sense. Loss KOHD or LALD maybe.

The background on the cover looks like a preset background from power-point. So cheap looking.

Good to hear it's doing well at least. It does have some of their best songs, obviously. I just wish they had more of the UYI rock songs and less covers.

Hopefully a official gnr version with axls approval comes out some day complete with CD material and unreleased tracks.

I don't think that's gonna happen.

[Young_Gun]

if you filter by weeks on chart GH is by far the number 1 album on billboard 200

btw does anyone have any accurate figures on roughly what the GH's current world wide sales are?

In excess of 8 million I think, I'll have a look

Wow lol. I have to say for a disk that consisted of purely old material, that result it fucken stellar. Interscope would be over the moon with that...

[Use Your Delusion 1]

if you filter by weeks on chart GH is by far the number 1 album on billboard 200

btw does anyone have any accurate figures on roughly what the GH's current world wide sales are?

In excess of 8 million I think, I'll have a look

Wow lol. I have to say for a disk that consisted of purely old material, that result it fucken stellar. Interscope would be over the moon with that...

Lol, just checked some aggregate sites (note none of this is confermed) but it's probably nearer 10 million, 5m in the USA, and over 800k in Ireland!! I have to agree, a incredible sales result, one of the best selling albums this century, and half of the material is crap!!

[axlrod]

# 61 Re-entry Billboard 200 this week.

http://www.billboard.com/#/charts/billboard-200?begin=61&order=position

[Laparka]

Wow. Getting that Hall of Fame bump already!

I'd think it is HOF + current tour

[moreblack]

current tour got HOF bump too, one would think.

[Use Your Delusion 1]

current tour got HOF bump too, one would think.

would make sense

apparently artists sell quite a bit more in their HoF year

note that its post xmas, those kids sure know what band to get into with their xmas money B)

157 127 105 77 GUNS N' ROSES SWEET CHILD O' MINE 12809 48 8642 2431278

16 184 124 GUNS N' ROSES WELCOME TO THE JUNGLE 9964 52 6567 1990527

sales in bold are digital only, nice!

Edited January 5, 2012 by Use Your Delusion 1

[dalsh327]

The majority of the fans go to the shows to hear the the old material so it is no surprise GH and not ChiDem reentered the charts.........

Source?

I'm really curious to see your documented numbers.

When I go to any concert it is to have a good time listening to rock music. Whether its a local bar band or a well known popular band or an old band doing nostalgic tours.

And in terms of what songs I go for? I think most people are more like me than the people you describe. I go hoping to hear a mixture of the classic songs, less popular but fan favorites, and a few songs off the latest album.

Anyway, can you post a link to your source? Thanks.

It is kinda interesting that when the band tours, the greatest hits reappears on the charts. Even when CD was still selling at best buy, didn't this happen to a lesser degree when they were touring in 2010?

I think it's a fair assumption that more fans are going to hear the classics with Axl's voice singing them.

Assumptions are just like opinions though. People that are die-hard Slash fans and dislike Axl will claim any success now is simply due to old songs Whereas newer fans, will claim that Slash was overrated and the new band is way better than the old band. Both are just assumptions and opinions - which are tainted.

This guy posted something like it was fact. I'm just curious as to his source.

Maybe your theory is correct..........but maybe it isn't. I've went to a lot of concerts with a friend of mine in Seattle (closest place for concerts to where I live). We went and saw GnR in 2002 in the first show of the tour (Vancouver was cancelled). I called him a few years ago when GnR was on tour again and asked him if he wanted to go and he said unless their playing new songs, I don't need to fork out $100 to see them again.

I'm going to the Seattle show later this month and he's on the line about going. I told him there will be new songs that he didn't hear in 2002.....but he has CD already, has seen all the youtube videos, and probably isn't going to go - simply because there isn't any new music.

So this guy is exactly the OPPOSITE of the "fan" you are talking about.

But let me ask you this.

Give me your estimated percentages if every concert attendee in 2011 was asked:

Why do you attend the GnR shows:

1. To hear the old songs

2. To hear the new songs

3. To hear a mixture of classics and new songs

Axl pretty much said that he's doing the AFD era songs as close to the original, so when someone isn't reinventing the song, it gets into nostalgia territory. Neil Young doing the Greendale tour wasn't a nostalgia tour because most of the show was new music. If Axl decided to do no AFD or UYI era songs except as encores, then the nostalgia argument would be written out of it.

[axlrod]

#25 Best of 2011 Catalog Albums

http://www.billboard.com/#/charts-year-end/top-pop-catalog-albums?year=2011&begin=21&order=position

[axlsalinger]

The majority of the fans go to the shows to hear the the old material so it is no surprise GH and not ChiDem reentered the charts.........

Source?

I'm really curious to see your documented numbers.

When I go to any concert it is to have a good time listening to rock music. Whether its a local bar band or a well known popular band or an old band doing nostalgic tours.

And in terms of what songs I go for? I think most people are more like me than the people you describe. I go hoping to hear a mixture of the classic songs, less popular but fan favorites, and a few songs off the latest album.

Anyway, can you post a link to your source? Thanks.

It is kinda interesting that when the band tours, the greatest hits reappears on the charts. Even when CD was still selling at best buy, didn't this happen to a lesser degree when they were touring in 2010?

I think it's a fair assumption that more fans are going to hear the classics with Axl's voice singing them.

Assumptions are just like opinions though. People that are die-hard Slash fans and dislike Axl will claim any success now is simply due to old songs Whereas newer fans, will claim that Slash was overrated and the new band is way better than the old band. Both are just assumptions and opinions - which are tainted.

This guy posted something like it was fact. I'm just curious as to his source.

Maybe your theory is correct..........but maybe it isn't. I've went to a lot of concerts with a friend of mine in Seattle (closest place for concerts to where I live). We went and saw GnR in 2002 in the first show of the tour (Vancouver was cancelled). I called him a few years ago when GnR was on tour again and asked him if he wanted to go and he said unless their playing new songs, I don't need to fork out $100 to see them again.

I'm going to the Seattle show later this month and he's on the line about going. I told him there will be new songs that he didn't hear in 2002.....but he has CD already, has seen all the youtube videos, and probably isn't going to go - simply because there isn't any new music.

So this guy is exactly the OPPOSITE of the "fan" you are talking about.

But let me ask you this.

Give me your estimated percentages if every concert attendee in 2011 was asked:

Why do you attend the GnR shows:

1. To hear the old songs

2. To hear the new songs

3. To hear a mixture of classics and new songs

Axl pretty much said that he's doing the AFD era songs as close to the original, so when someone isn't reinventing the song, it gets into nostalgia territory. Neil Young doing the Greendale tour wasn't a nostalgia tour because most of the show was new music. If Axl decided to do no AFD or UYI era songs except as encores, then the nostalgia argument would be written out of it.

This is pretty unrealistic IMO. I think we all agree that GNR should release more stuff, and play more new songs, but there are very few bands who don't play their classic songs or only play a couple "as encores". Stop looking through the filter of being a daily message board fanatic, and think of other bands that you really like. Would you be happy to go to a U2 show and hear only new stuff? I think Bruce Springsteen has a new album and tour coming up this year, I hope to attend a show. I'll be happy to hear some songs from the new record, but I absolutely want to hear them play a bunch of the older stuff too. If you're playing an arena tour, there's a relatively small percentage of diehards there, plus a whole bunch of people who love the band, like the band, got free tickets, only know a limited number of their songs, etc. Not saying they absolutely have to play 'Born to Run', but I'll be disappointed if they don't.

Even with GNR, I love CD and I can't wait for new stuff but I still want to go to a show and hear them play 'Welcome to the Jungle', 'November Rain', 'Paradise City', etc., plus I hope to hear some of the lesser known songs that mean a lot to me personally ('Estranged', 'Rocket Queen', 'Nightrain', etc.)

Edited January 9, 2012 by axlsalinger

[sailaway]

The majority of the fans go to the shows to hear the the old material so it is no surprise GH and not ChiDem reentered the charts.........

Source?

I'm really curious to see your documented numbers.

When I go to any concert it is to have a good time listening to rock music. Whether its a local bar band or a well known popular band or an old band doing nostalgic tours.

And in terms of what songs I go for? I think most people are more like me than the people you describe. I go hoping to hear a mixture of the classic songs, less popular but fan favorites, and a few songs off the latest album.

Anyway, can you post a link to your source? Thanks.

It is kinda interesting that when the band tours, the greatest hits reappears on the charts. Even when CD was still selling at best buy, didn't this happen to a lesser degree when they were touring in 2010?

I think it's a fair assumption that more fans are going to hear the classics with Axl's voice singing them.

Assumptions are just like opinions though. People that are die-hard Slash fans and dislike Axl will claim any success now is simply due to old songs Whereas newer fans, will claim that Slash was overrated and the new band is way better than the old band. Both are just assumptions and opinions - which are tainted.

This guy posted something like it was fact. I'm just curious as to his source.

Maybe your theory is correct..........but maybe it isn't. I've went to a lot of concerts with a friend of mine in Seattle (closest place for concerts to where I live). We went and saw GnR in 2002 in the first show of the tour (Vancouver was cancelled). I called him a few years ago when GnR was on tour again and asked him if he wanted to go and he said unless their playing new songs, I don't need to fork out $100 to see them again.

I'm going to the Seattle show later this month and he's on the line about going. I told him there will be new songs that he didn't hear in 2002.....but he has CD already, has seen all the youtube videos, and probably isn't going to go - simply because there isn't any new music.

So this guy is exactly the OPPOSITE of the "fan" you are talking about.

But let me ask you this.

Give me your estimated percentages if every concert attendee in 2011 was asked:

Why do you attend the GnR shows:

1. To hear the old songs

2. To hear the new songs

3. To hear a mixture of classics and new songs

Axl pretty much said that he's doing the AFD era songs as close to the original, so when someone isn't reinventing the song, it gets into nostalgia territory. Neil Young doing the Greendale tour wasn't a nostalgia tour because most of the show was new music. If Axl decided to do no AFD or UYI era songs except as encores, then the nostalgia argument would be written out of it.

This is pretty unrealistic IMO. I think we all agree that GNR should release more stuff, and play more new songs, but there are very few bands who don't play their classic songs or only play a couple "as encores". Stop looking through the filter of being a daily message board fanatic, and think of other bands that you really like. Would you be happy to go to a U2 show and hear only new stuff? I think Bruce Springsteen has a new album and tour coming up this year, I hope to attend a show. I'll be happy to hear some songs from the new record, but I absolutely want to hear them play a bunch of the older stuff too. If you're playing an arena tour, there's a relatively small percentage of diehards there, plus a whole bunch of people who love the band, like the band, got free tickets, only know a limited number of their songs, etc. Not saying they absolutely have to play 'Born to Run', but I'll be disappointed if they don't.

Even with GNR, I love CD and I can't wait for new stuff but I still want to go to a show and hear them play 'Welcome to the Jungle', 'November Rain', 'Paradise City', etc., plus I hope to hear some of the lesser known songs that mean a lot to me personally ('Estranged', 'Rocket Queen', 'Nightrain', etc.)

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The AFD/UYIs/Lies/even TSIs are Classics,and for many of us it is the soundtrack of our lives,we are emotionally connected with the music although it may dredge up some bittersweet memories.

I appreciate the Classics as well as the new material on ChiDem.

The "Greatest Hits" album omits some of my favorites,and the cover art could have been more original.

Good to see more people getting into GNR,though. A new generation of fans.

[axlsalinger]

It's a very corporate album, the band did not put it together and in fact this is one of the few times Axl and Slash teamed up to try and prevent its release.

It is what it is, I don't blame Geffen for trying to make some money back from what was spent on CD. It is cool to get a new generation of fans taking interest in the band. The tracklisting is okay, if you ask everybody here we'd all come up with a different group of songs. It's a shame 'Estranged' isn't on there, it really should be in place of all the covers (KOHD should be there, the rest are debatable.)

[Drakestar]

thought it was interesting that Dark Side of the Moon has been on the chart for 792 weeks, don't know if that is consecutive or not (?)...

those are the numbers we need LOL.

any sign of popularity (whatsoever) is a good thing IMO (not that anyone cares about MO).

Have a great evening everyone!