there is no dana only zool Posted March 21, 2012 Share Posted March 21, 2012 Well there has to be something wrong since newguns has only released one album compared to old guns who were less together than newguns and released 4 albums+1 cover albumRecord company.This. Doubt it's Axl. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Georgy Zhukov Posted March 21, 2012 Share Posted March 21, 2012 (edited) Well there has to be something wrong since newguns has only released one album compared to old guns who were less together than newguns and released 4 albums+1 cover albumRecord company.This. Doubt it's Axl.He's part of the problem, refusing to get together with the original band, having everyone included on the album. The record company did its biggest damage bringing in Roy Thomas Baker who made them rerecord everything so many times it cost millions.Also Buckethead caused problems in the studio. Not allowed to go into detail. Edited March 21, 2012 by BirdCatcher Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Young_Gun Posted March 21, 2012 Share Posted March 21, 2012 Birdcatcher, you have inside goss or something? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ITW 2012 Posted March 21, 2012 Author Share Posted March 21, 2012 (edited) Well there has to be something wrong since newguns has only released one album compared to old guns who were less together than newguns and released 4 albums+1 cover albumRecord company.I kinda find it hard to believe that this is all due to his perfectionism. It must be some kind of problem with the record company, or, perhaps, they lied when they said they had 3 albums worth of songs.I partially agree with you. I don't think the record company has any interest in releasing more New GNR records. It makes more business sense for them to hold out in the hopes that Axl will reunite with the real band. The potential pay off for the record company is simply too great to risk letting Axl finish GNR's contract with New GNR albums.You ever read about new coke or Pepsi clear? They basically market those the next big thing until the public got pissed off so when they reintroduced Classic Coca Cola sales have never been better.Same with GN'R. They hoped Chinese Democracy wil tank so bad Axl will be forced to reunite with Slash and Duff. Nevermind Izzy or Steven.You can't beat the real thing. Edited March 22, 2012 by ITW 2012 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Georgy Zhukov Posted March 21, 2012 Share Posted March 21, 2012 Yeah, cola cola is the shit.I love Chinese Democracy though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BS11290 Posted March 22, 2012 Share Posted March 22, 2012 Well there has to be something wrong since newguns has only released one album compared to old guns who were less together than newguns and released 4 albums+1 cover albumRecord company.I kinda find it hard to believe that this is all due to his perfectionism. It must be some kind of problem with the record company, or, perhaps, they lied when they said they had 3 albums worth of songs.I partially agree with you. I don't think the record company has any interest in releasing more New GNR records. It makes more business sense for them to hold out in the hopes that Axl will reunite with the real band. The potential pay off for the record company is simply too great to risk letting Axl finish GNR's contract with New GNR albums.You ever read about new coke or Pepsi clear? They basically market those the next big thing until the public got pissed off so when they reintroduced Classic Coca Cola sales have never been better.Same with GN'R. They hoped Chinese Democracy wil tank so bad Axl will be forced to reunite with Slash and Duff. Nevermind Izzy or Steven.You can't beat the real thing.You really can't... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Georgy Zhukov Posted March 22, 2012 Share Posted March 22, 2012 The idiots do not realize that Izzy is the secret ingredient and there is no way they can record without him. Axl and Slash had to work with different people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Georgy Zhukov Posted March 22, 2012 Share Posted March 22, 2012 In 2009 Axl said he wanted to focus on Chinese Democracy for a little while longer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iras Posted March 22, 2012 Share Posted March 22, 2012 I'd say the problem is complex:Axl, record company, denial of new members of the band, material is not that great and 3 albums worth like some people tried to convince usMaybe after all Axl was sitting all these years doing nothing contrary to what Tommy saidBut it looks to me like most of it is up to Axl for whatever reasonIf he decides I want to put out another album it will finaly surface Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BS11290 Posted March 22, 2012 Share Posted March 22, 2012 (edited) I think it's a combination of Axl's fear of failure and further ridicule, and the record company not believing in another "Guns N Roses" album without any of the people who made Guns N Roses what it was. I mean, honestly, how many people believe the label still has faith in nu guns in terms of new material?How is "Axl not ready to be done with CD"? He's about to tour the same places he already has SINCE the album has been released. Talk about beating a dead horse. It's done and over with, and it's been done and over with for years. The publics' opinion of it is already cemented in stone. That ship has sailed. Edited March 22, 2012 by BS11290 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
One.In.A.Million Posted March 22, 2012 Share Posted March 22, 2012 I think timing is a big issue as well, and I think Axl regrets missing the boat big time three times.(1) The first time he should of released it was at the start of the 2002 North American tour, just after the VMA performance.........GN'R was in the public eye, on a worldwide scale.(2) The second time was early 2004, GN'R where scheduled to play Rock In Lisbon and no doubt a tour would have followed in Europe and the US. This would have almost certainly have made Buckethead stay with the band as well, as not getting anything done was one of the main reasons why he quit.(3) The third and probably best opportunity came at the end of 2006, where GN'R had just completed a succesful European and US tour. Again the buzz was with the band, with Axl's appearence at the VMA's introducing The Killers to a worldwide audience. Another positive was they had a manager at the time in Merck who was willing to do just about anything to make the release later that year a success. And he even set up those Better and Paradise City Harley Davidson ads, in the preparation to help promote the Better single and Album.Too many missed opportunitys in my view, and it probably has hurt Axl to a degree to be honest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wasted Posted March 22, 2012 Share Posted March 22, 2012 I feel like it's about making an impact with the record. Having the songs connect or contribute. CD is a stand alone record that after everything adds something. They have worked to get these songs accepted.Ironically maybe we would probably love under produced demo triple album.So it's either CD II up to the standard or they try to find a new sound for a new creative project. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ITW 2012 Posted March 22, 2012 Author Share Posted March 22, 2012 Why do you think Axl is so apprehensive to release new music? Is it because the record company doesn't give a shit about New GNR albums after Chinese Democracy or does it all boil down to Axl's sense of perfectionism? I find it hard to believe that CD II needs more than a mix and mastering to be ready for release.I don't think he's apprehensive. I just think he's not done "working" Chinese yet. If that's the case, then why hasn't he released the Better video yet? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jellyzero Posted March 22, 2012 Share Posted March 22, 2012 "Release it....what does that mean?" - Axl Rose, 2011 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Wicked Hand Posted March 22, 2012 Share Posted March 22, 2012 Who the fuck knows....Geeez....This song and dance is getting old quick.I'm done worrying with it.When he puts it out I'll listen, but I don't care at this point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JKKDARK Posted March 22, 2012 Share Posted March 22, 2012 The only stuff he wrote is available on CD. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apollo Posted March 22, 2012 Share Posted March 22, 2012 Msl......but hasn't CD been pulled by Best Buy? So what is Axl accomplishing by still working it for the public? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ITW 2012 Posted March 22, 2012 Author Share Posted March 22, 2012 If that's the case, then why hasn't he released the Better video yet?I don't know, but you don't know either. The lack of videos is not evidence of anything. All we know is that Axl said on TMS that he wanted to continue to work Chinese for a bit.It's evidence that Axl isn't all that serious about promoting/working Chinese Democracy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Georgy Zhukov Posted March 22, 2012 Share Posted March 22, 2012 Msl......but hasn't CD been pulled by Best Buy? So what is Axl accomplishing by still working it for the public?Pulled?Best buy isnt the only place to buy CD. Go on Amazon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick85 Posted March 22, 2012 Share Posted March 22, 2012 If the Euro tour starts, business as usual, with no mention of the next album....oh man....a lot of hate headed their way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gunner927 Posted March 22, 2012 Share Posted March 22, 2012 Perhaps he's done experimenting and wants to go back to the original GN'R sound mixed with some of the CD sound. Which would mean not releasing the CD era material and recording a new album from scratch with the current band.Or he could be re-recording the older material with the current band, who knows what's going on in Axl World Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chewbacca Posted March 22, 2012 Share Posted March 22, 2012 Perhaps he's done experimenting and wants to go back to the original GN'R sound mixed with some of the CD sound. Which would mean not releasing the CD era material and recording a new album from scratch with the current band.Or he could be re-recording the older material with the current band, who knows what's going on in Axl WorldI hope not, I really liked the experimentation On the other hand, CD + AFD = experimenting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dalsh327 Posted March 22, 2012 Share Posted March 22, 2012 I think it comes down to no record label and would cost money to go back to the studio, but GNR should have 1 or 2 new songs out before the end of the year and self-release it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black Sabbath Posted March 22, 2012 Share Posted March 22, 2012 I honestly don't know anymore, and it's quite upsetting, especially being such a fan of CD. I want new music. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Georgy Zhukov Posted March 22, 2012 Share Posted March 22, 2012 I honestly don't know anymore, and it's quite upsetting, especially being such a fan of CD. I want new music.THIS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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