Guest Len B'stard Posted July 21, 2012 Share Posted July 21, 2012 I think it's ridiculous to ban guns. Anything in this world can be lethal if you use it with that in mind, where does it actually end? And to all the people slagging off hunting, the whole Morrissey bit, it's cute, i like it, i own Meat is Murder (it's on my ipod now actually ) but the fact is guns don't kill people, people kill people, guns is just something they use. It's all well and good slagging off hunting but some people hunt to eat. I know the notion that the entire world is just one giant mall like your neighbourhood but it isn't, it's a wide and vast and varied place. And, y'know, you hear a lot about, y'know, it ain't The Wild West no more but quite frankly, the stark human reality of an interloper and his ability to hurt you and your loved ones is a reality that is not exclusive to The Wild West, this can happen to you at any time and any place, what, cuz we have the police now somehow things are different? I don't buy it.And apart from all that hunt to eat shit cuz, OK, clearly it's not the case for anything approaching the majority, it's just like the case to ban certain movies or pornography. I mean, i think we can all agree that that kind of thing can exacerbate or accentuate certain bad intentions that people have, i don't think anybodys gonna deny that. So why is it when that point is raised everyones always like "well, the person has to have something wrong with them to begin with so you can't blame the movies", why does that excuse not count for guns as well?Hunting is a part of human history. I'm sorry if people aren't comfortable with that but i have an awareness that my ancestors weren't born with a Sainsburys down the road, sorry if life is ugly and everything but...And also, i'd be interested to know how many of the anti-hunting brigade are vegetarians...cuz if not then, OK, it's wrong to hunt but mass animal extermination camps for the purposes of consumption is OK?A gun is just a tool, it's the tools that use them to kill other people that are the problem, not the gun. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Superfuzz Posted July 21, 2012 Share Posted July 21, 2012 Well played Superfuzz, well played.I change my opinion. The spoiler.tags worked better than bold. I no longer approve.Sorry, hon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Axl_morris Posted July 21, 2012 Share Posted July 21, 2012 Must be a good film if people are dying to see it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JeanGenie Posted July 21, 2012 Share Posted July 21, 2012 Anything in this world can be lethal if you use it with that in mind, where does it actually end?I'd like to see you kill 12 people with a knive or a spoon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dazey Posted July 21, 2012 Share Posted July 21, 2012 I think it's ridiculous to ban guns. Anything in this world can be lethal if you use it with that in mind, where does it actually end? I'm not going to argue over banning anything cos I don't think that's even possible in the US but in fairness dear boy, what a load of absolute arse gravy that is right there! Put it this way, yes a car can be as lethal as a revolver in the wrong hands but when you see the defense budget breakdown it's no accident that there's a lot spent on assault rifles and very little on Vauxhall Astras by comparison. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wasted Posted July 21, 2012 Share Posted July 21, 2012 The US really does the deranged nutter better than anyone else. What was Iraq thinking, haven't they seen Die Hard? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dazey Posted July 21, 2012 Share Posted July 21, 2012 The US really does the deranged nutter better than anyone else. What was Iraq thinking, haven't they seen Die Hard?Dunno like. Have a look at this mad bastard! Martin Bryant Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Superfuzz Posted July 21, 2012 Share Posted July 21, 2012 Holy shit, I just realized. This guy says he's the Joker. Remember what happened in TDK when the Joker got captured by the police?All of this is going to his plan.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Len B'stard Posted July 21, 2012 Share Posted July 21, 2012 (edited) Anything in this world can be lethal if you use it with that in mind, where does it actually end?I'd like to see you kill 12 people with a knive or a spoon. Oh you would, would you? Well you'd've have a right laugh in Denver the other night.So you're saying its not possible to kill 12 people with a knife? alright then, example, i walk into a hospital ward tonight with a big fuckin' blade and go around kniving people in their sleep, possible? Edited July 21, 2012 by sugaraylen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dazey Posted July 21, 2012 Share Posted July 21, 2012 Anything in this world can be lethal if you use it with that in mind, where does it actually end?I'd like to see you kill 12 people with a knive or a spoon. Oh you would, would you? Well you'd've have a right laugh in Denver the other night.So you're saying its not possible to kill 12 people with a knife? alright then, example, i walk into a hospital ward tonight with a big fuckin' blade and go around kniving people in their sleep, possible?Stop being so silly you contrary wanker! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Linguini Occurrence Posted July 21, 2012 Share Posted July 21, 2012 So you're saying its not possible to kill 12 people with a knife? alright then, example, i walk into a hospital ward tonight with a big fuckin' blade and go around kniving people in their sleep, possible? Pretty sure they meant at the same time, like within a minute or two. If the guy had just a knife it's far more likely he would have been tackled by one or more people, and it would have been a lot easier for people to run away safely. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Len B'stard Posted July 21, 2012 Share Posted July 21, 2012 (edited) So you're saying its not possible to kill 12 people with a knife? alright then, example, i walk into a hospital ward tonight with a big fuckin' blade and go around kniving people in their sleep, possible? Pretty sure they meant at the same time, like within a minute or two. If the guy had just a knife it's far more likely he would have been tackled by one or more people, and it would have been a lot easier for people to run away safely.What fucking difference does it make, it still fuckin' 12 people that ain't members of the club anymore, this is getting ridiculous, how many times you gonna change the rules here, can i use both hands or...? Stop being so silly you contrary wanker!Well its true innit, he was making out you can't do 12 people with a knife, i think you'll find you can Edited July 21, 2012 by sugaraylen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dazey Posted July 21, 2012 Share Posted July 21, 2012 (edited) Stop being so silly you contrary wanker!Well its true innit, he was making out you can't do 12 people with a knife, i think you'll find you can I think he was probably saying you couldn't do 12 and injure another 50 odd in a crowded cinema with one. Can we at least agree on that one Che? Edited July 21, 2012 by Dazey Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Len B'stard Posted July 21, 2012 Share Posted July 21, 2012 Stop being so silly you contrary wanker!Well its true innit, he was making out you can't do 12 people with a knife, i think you'll find you can I think he was probably saying you couldn't do 12 and injure another 50 odd in a crowded cinema with one. Can we at least agree on that one Che? Fine, move the goalposts when it suits you Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dazey Posted July 21, 2012 Share Posted July 21, 2012 Stop being so silly you contrary wanker!Well its true innit, he was making out you can't do 12 people with a knife, i think you'll find you can I think he was probably saying you couldn't do 12 and injure another 50 odd in a crowded cinema with one. Can we at least agree on that one Che? Fine, move the goalposts when it suits you Basically put it like this. A butter knife is a knife whose primary purpose is to spread butter. A Corsa is a motor whose primary purpose is to let little nobheads in bobble hats look like wankers. A pen top is the top off a pen whose sole purpose isn't to choke toddlers but it can happen. An AK47 no matter how you want to spin it has the sole intended purpose of making a lot of things very dead. Yeah of course other things CAN be lethal but the argument is about the things that were designed and built with that sole purpose in mind. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wasted Posted July 21, 2012 Share Posted July 21, 2012 The US really does the deranged nutter better than anyone else. What was Iraq thinking, haven't they seen Die Hard?Dunno like. Have a look at this mad bastard! Martin BryantI just like the movie references I guess. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Linguini Occurrence Posted July 21, 2012 Share Posted July 21, 2012 What fucking difference does it make, it still fuckin' 12 people that ain't members of the club anymore, this is getting ridiculous, how many times you gonna change the rules here, can i use both hands or...? Well in that case, a spoon could have killed 166,000 people if Thomas Ferebee had used one to push the button on the Enola Gay Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Len B'stard Posted July 21, 2012 Share Posted July 21, 2012 Basically put it like this. A butter knife is a knife whose primary purpose is to spread butter. A Corsa is a motor whose primary purpose is to let little nobheads in bobble hats look like wankers. A pen top is the top off a pen whose sole purpose isn't to choke toddlers but it can happen. An AK47 no matter how you want to spin it has the sole intended purpose of making a lot of things very dead. Yeah of course other things CAN be lethal but the argument is about the things that were designed and built with that sole purpose in mind.Well, by the same token, an AK47 isn't expressly lethal, it lethal when you fire it at someone, not when you fire it at a tree or a wall or a bullseye or what have you. Point being, on a table, neither a spoon or a AK47 or a knife or a ming vase is lethal...they're lethal when someone picks em up, without the human agent in the equation, they are inanimate and harmless. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DirtyDeeds Posted July 21, 2012 Share Posted July 21, 2012 Stop being so silly you contrary wanker!Well its true innit, he was making out you can't do 12 people with a knife, i think you'll find you can I think he was probably saying you couldn't do 12 and injure another 50 odd in a crowded cinema with one. Can we at least agree on that one Che? Fine, move the goalposts when it suits you Basically put it like this. A butter knife is a knife whose primary purpose is to spread butter. A Corsa is a motor whose primary purpose is to let little nobheads in bobble hats look like wankers. A pen top is the top off a pen whose sole purpose isn't to choke toddlers but it can happen. An AK47 no matter how you want to spin it has the sole intended purpose of making a lot of things very dead. Yeah of course other things CAN be lethal but the argument is about the things that were designed and built with that sole purpose in mind. Imitation is the greatest form of flattery. Dazey I'm quite surprised and delighted that you chose to repeat my argument Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Drama Posted July 21, 2012 Share Posted July 21, 2012 Cor fuckin blimey cunts. A gun is power a knife isn't. Ooh looky love a got a fecking knife gonna go on a rampage diddums! Yeah sod off you naive git you're not gonna cut through the fucking line in the lobby let alone a fucking person. Someone points a gun at you you're gonna shit bricks or you know you're proper fucking burnt toast. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dazey Posted July 21, 2012 Share Posted July 21, 2012 (edited) Imitation is the greatest form of flattery. Dazey I'm quite surprised and delighted that you chose to repeat my argument Imitation? Do you even know what a Corsa is? Oh and fuck off for good measure! Edited July 21, 2012 by Dazey Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Len B'stard Posted July 21, 2012 Share Posted July 21, 2012 Cor fuckin blimey cunts. A gun is power a knife isn't. Ooh looky love a got a fecking knife gonna go on a rampage diddums! Yeah sod off you naive git you're not gonna cut through the fucking line in the lobby let alone a fucking person. Someone points a gun at you you're gonna shit bricks or you know you're proper fucking burnt toast.OK, so the basis of the argument is that you can kill people easier with guns and if they didn't have access to em, those lazy murderers, they'd probably not bother? Well, thats a fine basis for a law, i must say Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DirtyDeeds Posted July 21, 2012 Share Posted July 21, 2012 It's not laziness, it's impracticality. Taking morals and decency out of this for a second, if you want to go and have a mass murder and mayhem at a crowded theater or pretty much anywhere else, it really just can't be done with a knife. This guy, with a knife, would have injured probably maximum 5 people, not 70. Maybe he would have killed 1. I mean, think about it. In wars, at least in Western wars (I don't know much about Eastern military history), there were two opposing armies, who met in a big field, lined up shoulder to shoulder, many rows deep, and they would march in and kill each other with swords and knives and spears and such. A lot of them killed no enemies because they got killed themselves. Probably a successful soldier killed three enemies before being killed. This was still pretty much the same case up until what, 1850ish or something? More primitive firearms had the same shitty war tactics, the guns had to be reloaded over and over and there were mass amounts of soldiers, each killing less than a handful of enemies.If you put one of those armies up against a couple dozen guys in pillboxes with machine guns and these sorts of automatic weapons and shit, the couple dozen guys would wipe out the whole opposing army. In terms of getting some killing done, big ass guns are a lot more practical and efficient than some knives. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Len B'stard Posted July 21, 2012 Share Posted July 21, 2012 It's not laziness, it's impracticality. Taking morals and decency out of this for a second, if you want to go and have a mass murder and mayhem at a crowded theater or pretty much anywhere else, it really just can't be done with a knife. This guy, with a knife, would have injured probably maximum 5 people, not 70. Maybe he would have killed 1. Alright then what if he planted a nail bomb in there, they're reasonably easy to put together.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rafał Posted July 21, 2012 Share Posted July 21, 2012 It's not laziness, it's impracticality. Taking morals and decency out of this for a second, if you want to go and have a mass murder and mayhem at a crowded theater or pretty much anywhere else, it really just can't be done with a knife. This guy, with a knife, would have injured probably maximum 5 people, not 70. Maybe he would have killed 1. I mean, think about it. In wars, at least in Western wars (I don't know much about Eastern military history), there were two opposing armies, who met in a big field, lined up shoulder to shoulder, many rows deep, and they would march in and kill each other with swords and knives and spears and such. A lot of them killed no enemies because they got killed themselves. Probably a successful soldier killed three enemies before being killed. This was still pretty much the same case up until what, 1850ish or something? More primitive firearms had the same shitty war tactics, the guns had to be reloaded over and over and there were mass amounts of soldiers, each killing less than a handful of enemies.If you put one of those armies up against a couple dozen guys in pillboxes with machine guns and these sorts of automatic weapons and shit, the couple dozen guys would wipe out the whole opposing army. In terms of getting some killing done, big ass guns are a lot more practical and efficient than some knives.He would get the gun illegally. See, the problem is, you make guns illegal, criminals will still buy them illegally, but most people will not have a gun so it will be a gun against bare hands situation. Now, when most people can get a gun in USA, it's their choice not to carry one and not to be able to defend themselves with one, making it a gun vs gun(s) situation which is more difficult for the criminals and is discouraging people from committing crimes.It's not laziness, it's impracticality. Taking morals and decency out of this for a second, if you want to go and have a mass murder and mayhem at a crowded theater or pretty much anywhere else, it really just can't be done with a knife. This guy, with a knife, would have injured probably maximum 5 people, not 70. Maybe he would have killed 1. Alright then what if he planted a nail bomb in there, they're reasonably easy to put together..We've already been there like 10 pages ago, didn't we? Also, he apparently has a shitload of explosives in his apartment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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