Facekicker Posted December 7, 2012 Share Posted December 7, 2012 Not everything that grows on you is good son Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ragnar Posted December 7, 2012 Share Posted December 7, 2012 Not everything that grows on you is good son Well at least for me it does Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sprite Posted December 7, 2012 Share Posted December 7, 2012 If you think CD was a flop you probably don't understand the climate of the music industry. And that's not saying it was a huge success or failure, and definitely not talking about the art itself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
izzydoezit Posted December 7, 2012 Share Posted December 7, 2012 I think good songs would have helped the album more than good promotion.most sensible post of this thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roush Posted December 8, 2012 Share Posted December 8, 2012 It was a commercial failure. Accept it, GN'R nerds, and let it go.Why can you not appreciate the music for what it is? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris 55 Posted December 8, 2012 Share Posted December 8, 2012 Rose got out as much truth as he could in his position....what? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MEXzilla Posted December 8, 2012 Share Posted December 8, 2012 Ok I will. Thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eggers Posted December 8, 2012 Share Posted December 8, 2012 Why are we still discussing this shit? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieselDaisy Posted December 8, 2012 Share Posted December 8, 2012 The lack of promotion thing is also another fanboy concocted myth designed to excuse the albums failings.CD was the most talked about and anticipated album in decades, possibly ever.If you didn't know it had finally been released then you were either off-planet or in a coma.This.There were tv commercials.There were magazine ads.One song released in a Leo Decaprio movie.One song released on a popular video game.Album was previewed on MySpace.Three singles were released.Along with being the most anticipated release of all time.To say this album had no publicity is ludicrous. What more do people want? Record execs to go door to door? This album got more promotion than 99% of albums do.I agree except, there were no music videos. Also Rose and co. didn't personally promote the record (music magazines, radio, visits to record stores etc). This is all normal with a major rock release. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoulMonster Posted December 8, 2012 Share Posted December 8, 2012 It is obvious the small amount of promotion hurt the album sales, the label itself was angry with Axl for going AWOL at such a crucial moment. It is also obvious that selling more than 3 mill records is good, really good, although a lot of people probably expected more and hence might feel that it didn't meet expectations. Whether those expectations were realistic or not, is something else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maynard Posted December 8, 2012 Share Posted December 8, 2012 small amount of promotion? the label did they best they could. it got good promotion. the quality of the album was the reason it didn't sell so well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Facekicker Posted December 8, 2012 Share Posted December 8, 2012 I wonder how many people bought the album only to be disappointed with it upon listening? If there is ever another release from Axl I'll make sure to hear it online before I buy it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stef311 Posted December 8, 2012 Share Posted December 8, 2012 i really like CD, the songs are awsome. My favorite is TIL. i'm suprised some of these songs are not played on the ratio, movie sound tracks etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoulMonster Posted December 8, 2012 Share Posted December 8, 2012 small amount of promotion? the label did they best they could. it got good promotion. the quality of the album was the reason it didn't sell so well.Yes, the amount of promotion was a lot less than expected for a band of GN'R's stature especially given the circumstances. And no, the record sold well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saber_ Posted December 8, 2012 Share Posted December 8, 2012 (edited) Only a fool would consider 3 million+ a flop. The album's mixing and production is questionable, but I love the source material. To this day, I really dig the lyrics in Chinese Democracy. For the live shows, I look forward to when they fire off the eponymous song early in the set. It don't really matterYou're gonna find out for yourselfNo it don't really matterYou're gonna leave this thing to somebody elseIf they were missionariesReal time visionariesSitting in a Chinese stewTo view my dis-in-fat-u-ationI know that I'm a classic caseWatch my disenchanted faceBlame it on the Falun GongThey've seen the end and it can't hold on now'Cause it would take a lot more hate than youTo end the fascinationEven with an iron fistAll they got to rule the nationWhen all I've got is precious timeIt don't really matterGuess I'll keep it to myselfSaid it don't really matterIt's time I look around for somebody else'Cause it would take a lot more time than youHave got for masturbationEven with your iron fistAll they got to rule the nationWhen all we got is precious timeAll they got to fool the nationWhen all I got is precious timeIt don't really matterI guess you'll find out for yourselfNo it don't really matterSo you can hear it now from somebody elseYou think you got it all locked up insideAnd if you beat 'em enough they'll dieIt's like a walk in the park from a cellAnd now you're keeping your own kind in hellWhen your great wall rocks blame yourselfWhile their arms reach up for your helpAnd you're out of time Edited December 8, 2012 by brainsaber Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
izzydoezit Posted December 8, 2012 Share Posted December 8, 2012 lyrics to CD suck. They are full of self righteousness combined with self pity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris 55 Posted December 8, 2012 Share Posted December 8, 2012 Only a fool would consider 3 million+ a flop. Considering that's a worldwide sales # and when compared to past releases under the same name, it's a flop. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
loko Posted December 8, 2012 Share Posted December 8, 2012 But you should compare this to others albums which came out in 2008. And then 3 milions is a good score. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoulMonster Posted December 8, 2012 Share Posted December 8, 2012 (edited) Only a fool would consider 3 million+ a flop. Considering that's a worldwide sales # and when compared to past releases under the same name, it's a flop.But why would you compare it to past releases? The only sensible thing is to compare it to what it is reasonable to achieve, and if it fails at that then it is a flop. Edited December 8, 2012 by SoulMonster Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Val22 Posted December 8, 2012 Share Posted December 8, 2012 i like it and that is enough for me. i mean what difference does it make if the album was an official hit or not. you have to be honest to yourself. if you like it you like it. if you don't you can't help it.i mean think about Velvet Underground. who cares that their initial albums were flops? those very albums today are regarded as one of the most influential ones. being popular( and thus being hit) is not a proof of quality nor greatness.I agree with you about CD. I like it very much. I also loved VU and had all their albums back in the 60's and 70's. Loved Lou Reed too.I feel if you're a fan of a band or a performer and like what they do, then that's good enough for me.I've seen so many horror movies, that have gotten 0 ratings, but I enjoyed them and still do today.I don't listen to so called critics because most of them don't like whoever the hell they are rating anyway. If I like it, then like you said, that's good enough for me.When I go to a concert and hear all the fans singing along and screaming like I did in Dallas and Vegas for GNR, then that about says it all! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
classicrawker Posted December 8, 2012 Share Posted December 8, 2012 It might not have been the success expected but selling 3 million+ units when you sell less than 1 Million in the U.S. is very respectable so it was hardly a flop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apollo Posted December 9, 2012 Share Posted December 9, 2012 It is obvious the small amount of promotion hurt the album sales, the label itself was angry with Axl for going AWOL at such a crucial moment. It is also obvious that selling more than 3 mill records is good, really good, although a lot of people probably expected more and hence might feel that it didn't meet expectations. Whether those expectations were realistic or not, is something else.Are you referring to Axl's lack of promoting the album? Because I saw as much promotion for the album as any rock album I've seen during the time. There were tv commercials. There were print ads in magazines. Didn't the MySpace thing break records? Like 15 million listens or something. And songs in popular video games and major Hollywood movies. Plus three singles. That is more promotion than 99% of albums receive.The problem with proclaiming 3 million albums sold to be a big success is that you have to look at the entire picture. You and I releasing a modern day version Air Supply and selling 3million copies would be a hit.But Axl Rose, Guns n Roses, the album people have been talking about for a decade....and, the big number....13 to 14 million dollars. Can an album that cost 13 million to make sell just 3 million and be considered a success? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saber_ Posted December 9, 2012 Share Posted December 9, 2012 If Chinese Democracy was a flop, what does that make Libertad? A belly flop? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dazey Posted December 9, 2012 Share Posted December 9, 2012 Best buy bought 1.600.000 copies in USA.Which means nothing unless they managed to resell them all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BBA Posted December 9, 2012 Share Posted December 9, 2012 Anybody got Adler's 'Back from the Dead' sales numbers yet? I heard an unconfirmed rumor that it sold 150k copies in the first week and a half. Anyone else heard the same? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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