Why do people act as if nobody gives a shit about a new GNR album from the current band?

[spunko12345]

EVERYBODY STOP WHAT YOU'RE DOING, TAKE YOUR HAND OFF OF THE KEY BOARD, THE OTHER OUT OF YOUR PANTS, GET UP, AND DANCE!!!!!:

I'm not even joking here when I say that if that is what counts as rock music nowadays then count me out. Fuck me that was horrible cliched shit. Terrible lyrics aswell.

[arnold layne]

I've seen so many ridiculous comments on here, such as "nobody outside of 20 fans on this board care about an album from the current band" etc. Axl's detractors love to belittle the current line-up, but the truth is, if Axl released a new GNR album this year, it would undoubtedly go top 5 in both the US and the UK album charts.

LOL.

Green Day was on top of the world in 2004 and their recent trilogy is absent on iTunes top 10. Yeah, you might say, "Green Day sucks!" or "That was 2004!", but the fact of the matter is that if a band like that can fall so low, well so can Axl and his circus act.

I've got news for everyone here. Guns N' Roses is irrelevant. Do you want evidence? He plays in Las Vegas casinos. If he were lucky he might have the potential to be the opening act for Pitbull.

[AxlRose14]

I've seen so many ridiculous comments on here, such as "nobody outside of 20 fans on this board care about an album from the current band" etc. Axl's detractors love to belittle the current line-up, but the truth is, if Axl released a new GNR album this year, it would undoubtedly go top 5 in both the US and the UK album charts.

LOL.

Green Day was on top of the world in 2004 and their recent trilogy is absent on iTunes top 10. Yeah, you might say, "Green Day sucks!" or "That was 2004!", but the fact of the matter is that if a band like that can fall so low, well so can Axl and his circus act.

I've got news for everyone here. Guns N' Roses is irrelevant. Do you want evidence? He plays in Las Vegas casinos. If he were lucky he might have the potential to be the opening act for Pitbull.

Eh, pitbulls not a bad rapper. Second, you would buy a new guns n roses album if it came out. Everyone in here would at least listen to it for sure...

But I'm not arguing the point because GNR won't release shit ever again.

[wasted]

I think it's all about marketing. If GNR were to come out and aggressively market a follow up to CD, I think people would respond by giving it a listen. A second album might even promote sales of CD because I feel like a lot of people don't even really know it's out there due to the poor marketing.

you can see the problem if you throw a lot of money at something and it doesnt sell you lose money. So labels dont want that. So its a risk.

But if they put out CD era stuff thats almost done with some light promo from the band it could be financiallt viable.

Again the label may take percent of tour profits and Axl might just want do something more interesting than put out old stuff. Sometimes its better to have future while living off the past.

[Bulldog]

The issue with putting out CD era material is that it has already proved that it won't be a (huge) success. Granted, yes, they wouldn't have to pour more money into it to simply release it but I don't hold the belief that the best is out there. Wouldn't the label/Axl look at the 36 songs made and put the best of CD? If thats the case then we have songs worse than Scraped out there waiting to be released.

What label does GNR currently belong to? Or is it run by Axl? How many more albums does their contract force them to release? I would imagine they at least have one more album they are contractually obliged to release if they still belong to a "traditional" label.

[saber_]

This forum isn't really a true fan forum anymore, OP. It's devolved into a place where cupcakes have competitions with eachother about who can make the most shitty comments about the band or Axl in as many threads as they can. This isn't some conspiracy theory- it's obvious to anyone who posts in D&N.

Unfortunately for the cupcakes (most of whom think the U.S. = the world), Guns' appeal is worldwide. Guns consistently puts up big numbers in venues outside the States. Similarly, Chinese Democracy sold its bulk outside the U.S. As such, there is indeed interest in a new album. And so, a new album would very likely go platinum in multiple countries and would have a very real chance at surpassing the 3 million CD sold.

Edited January 5, 2013 by brainsaber

[ITG]

I always find reading a topic by Towelie a treat because he always sounds like he was born yesterday or discovered GN'R for the first time. The dumb question he is asking has been answered too many times.

[bionic56]

I'm willing to bet £100 if, and that's a big IF, When Axl releases a new albulm it will make the top 2 in most countries, quite easily.

[Guest NewGNRnOldGNR]

There is a market for a new GN'R album. A lot of people have went to see the current incarnation on either recent tour - 2009/2010 (where Axl was simply immense vocally) or 2011/2012 (where the setlists were simply epic from a casual fan perspective).

There were far more converts to the Axl cause with the current rock band line-up than with the experimental assemble at the start of the decade. As much as the revisionists claim otherwise, that is the reality. Most people didn't like the clean voiced jersey fashioned Axl and his collection of musicians who were free to interpret the old material in whatever way. Often changing it drastically.

For the first time since Slash the band boasts a mainstream player with hit pedigree and a clear association with other well known acts like the Crue and its successful offshoot Sixx AM.

Whilst the cult following weakens without Buckethead and Robin Finck, at large, I mean in everyday life, not within the confines of an online forum or at times virtual world, the popularity of Guns N' Roses increases.

Edited January 5, 2013 by NewGNRnOldGNR

[Roush]

This forum isn't really a true fan forum anymore, OP. It's devolved into a place where cupcakes have competitions with eachother about who can make the most shitty comments about the band or Axl in as many threads as they can. This isn't some conspiracy theory- it's obvious to anyone who posts in D&N.

Unfortunately for the cupcakes (most of whom think the U.S. = the world), Guns' appeal is worldwide. Guns consistently puts up big numbers in venues outside the States. Similarly, Chinese Democracy sold its bulk outside the U.S. As such, there is indeed interest in a new album. And so, a new album would very likely go platinum in multiple countries and would have a very real chance at surpassing the 3 million CD sold.

Axl's appeal is strictly nostalgic in those regions (excluding Brazil.)

[wasted]

The issue with putting out CD era material is that it has already proved that it won't be a (huge) success. Granted, yes, they wouldn't have to pour more money into it to simply release it but I don't hold the belief that the best is out there. Wouldn't the label/Axl look at the 36 songs made and put the best of CD? If thats the case then we have songs worse than Scraped out there waiting to be released.

What label does GNR currently belong to? Or is it run by Axl? How many more albums does their contract force them to release? I would imagine they at least have one more album they are contractually obliged to release if they still belong to a "traditional" label.

I think that might be true and the label might put out a Best of.

The other thing isnt so true. Some sourves say CD was put together thematically. Axl said there was more guitar driven album and a more aggressive electronica record.

Richard Fortus has done stuff that wasnt on CD because it didnt fit.

So new direction on paper is Fortus and Dj. The could pool resources and build a nuke.

[Redhead74]

It's called 'lowering your expectations and being pleasantly surprised' if an album ever materialises.

[username]

It's called 'lowering your expectations and being pleasantly surprised' if an album ever materialises.

This is wise for every GnR fan.

[Redhead74]

It's called 'lowering your expectations and being pleasantly surprised' if an album ever materialises.

This is wise for every GnR fan.

Thank you username, some around here like to refer to me as 'dumbass' but I have been a GNR fan since 1988, so I like to consider myself at this stage 'wise and experienced' when it comes to GNR.

[Towelie]

I always find reading a topic by Towelie a treat because he always sounds like he was born yesterday or discovered GN'R for the first time. The dumb question he is asking has been answered too many times.

I'd rather sound like I was born yesterday than come accross as a rude asshole like you do.

[Towelie]

Your old band vs new band sales thing is weird. You downgrade the potential sales totals if a reunion album, but say an album by the new band would sell well. A reunion album in 2013 would sell twice as many copies as CD2 would. Probably three or four times as many.

I wasn't referring to a reunion album, I was saying that if the old band had stuck together, and released music every 4-5 years like their contemporaries, then a new GNR album from the old lineup in 2013 probably wouldn't sell that much more than an album from the current band.

Of course, with the old band not having recorded together in 20 years, the marketting opportunities and sheer hypebole over a reunion album would be huge and would undoubtedly outsell anything New GNR could come up with. I'm not disputing that.

Edited January 5, 2013 by Towelie

[izzydoezit]

This forum isn't really a true fan forum anymore, OP. It's devolved into a place where cupcakes have competitions with eachother about who can make the most shitty comments about the band or Axl in as many threads as they can. This isn't some conspiracy theory- it's obvious to anyone who posts in D&N.

Unfortunately for the cupcakes (most of whom think the U.S. = the world), Guns' appeal is worldwide. Guns consistently puts up big numbers in venues outside the States. Similarly, Chinese Democracy sold its bulk outside the U.S. As such, there is indeed interest in a new album. And so, a new album would very likely go platinum in multiple countries and would have a very real chance at surpassing the 3 million CD sold.

I think HTGTH will be much more suited to your liking.

[HisRoyalSweetness]

not even axl gives a shit about a new gnr album from the current band. he's far more interested in outtakes from his last band.

[wasted]

True the rest of the world will be all over CD II.

[HisRoyalSweetness]

if there's a public demand for chinese democracy 2 and the label exists to make money, then i'm sure you'll have your copy of chinese democracy 2 in no time. if, years later, you still don't... i hope you'll come back and reconsider the content of this thread.

[wasted]

I doubt anyone is reconsidering having said CD wouldnt come out. Lets just assume everything doesnt matter and hope for the best.

[Crash Diet]

I've seen so many ridiculous comments on here, such as "nobody outside of 20 fans on this board care about an album from the current band" etc. Axl's detractors love to belittle the current line-up, but the truth is, if Axl released a new GNR album this year, it would undoubtedly go top 5 in both the US and the UK album charts and probably sell a similar amount to CD, maybe more if it were promoted better.

If the old line-up were still together, there's no way they would still be selling like they did back in 87-92. Nobody sells records like that anymore, especially in rock music. Chinese Democracy sold a respectable amount for a rock album in the 00's, on a par with recent albums from the likes of Metallica, RHCP, Van Halen, Foo Fighters, Aerosmith etc.

There is a world outside of this message board, and there are Guns N Roses fans outside of the small percentage of cupcakes on this forum.

I rarely agree with you, but now, thiis the case: i agree with you

When sometime an album came out under Guns N' Roses moniker, people still buy it (or download it) like candy

[star]

Why do people act as if nobody gives a shit about a new GNR album from the current band?

..because Axl failed to deliver with the previous album.

He took the name, hired some.. and discredited just about everything Slash Duff Izzy Adler had created in the process.

Radio stations don't play music from Chinese Democrtacy..

The main stream media don't care about Axl's new band, and they appear to care less about him too..

If GN'R had stuck together through thick and thin and not allow Mr Rose to control everything, they would have been up there with The Rolling Stones. As it is, they called it a day..

Edited January 5, 2013 by star

[HisRoyalSweetness]

ask 1000 strangers what their favorite song from chinese democracy was. their blank stares will provide all the answers you need as to chinese democracy II's release date.

yeah, people know and love guns n' roses. i think the label would be happy to get an album from that band. but all axl's dangling is outtakes from the darkest chapter in the band's history. thus, a stalemate. since axl holds no cards other than the one he refuses to play, expect no progress.

[Towelie]

ask 1000 strangers what their favorite song from chinese democracy was. their blank stares will provide all the answers you need as to chinese democracy II's release date.

Ask 1000 strangers what their favourite song from Use Your Illusions II was and they'd give you the same blank face. General public don't know shit. Your arguement is null and void.