maynard Posted May 22, 2014 Share Posted May 22, 2014 what's the point of this piano platform? the flying piano thing was cheesy but it was kinda cool. this one looks ugly as fuck. this is not the evolution axl promised us!!!!also, is this the live debut of Happy Birthday Fernando? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
magisme Posted May 22, 2014 Share Posted May 22, 2014 Ali, WTF, Subs says explicitly in his post that things change and that his info is as of this moment. What in the world are you arguing about? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
classicrawker Posted May 22, 2014 Share Posted May 22, 2014 (edited) Meh, I am not a fan of Bumble's solo stuff but he seems like a good guy so if he leaves I wish him well but does anyone actually think him leaving impacts the band in any way? It is not like they have to find someone to play Bumble's solos on original material he wrote with the band............Axl will just find another guitar player to replace him and the "Same Shit Different Day" perpetual greatest hits tour will roll on.............Haven't we all learned by now that Axl's backup band are just a bunch of faceless replaceable parts?..............posters here might not want to admit it but other than Axl IMHO DJ is probably the most recognizable person in NuGuns these days due to his tireless self promotion.............. Edited May 22, 2014 by classicrawker 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RandallFlagg Posted May 22, 2014 Share Posted May 22, 2014 Not gonna lie it's a pretty crappy surprise. If I knew this was gonna be the surprise I would've lowered my expectations below the the earth's crust. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BangoSkank Posted May 22, 2014 Share Posted May 22, 2014 I believe he's handed in his notice (not for the first time though) and Axl's fed up with his "im off, IM BACK! im off IM BACK" routine. I have a feeling Axl will call his bluff at the end of Vegas regardless of another potential U-Turn. I'm also led to believe there's been a major issue behind the scenes during the recent SA Tour and there will be some changes in general. Don't think this should be taken as negative though, depending on your stance actually, far from it.Bumble leaving would no doubt blow. He's the best guitarist there, one of the only people that could fill Bucket's shoes and was probably the most ambitious of the band (as far as doing new, interesting stuff).BUT that last bit intrigues me. Does the major issue involve another guitarist... liiiiike one that's not Bumble who he's been known to duke it out on Twitter with? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ali Posted May 22, 2014 Share Posted May 22, 2014 Ali, WTF, Subs says explicitly in his post that things change and that his info is as of this moment. What in the world are you arguing about?I'm trying to clarify that I'm not questioning his honesty or truthfulness, but that his source(s) may be incorrect or that things may change. IMO, he seems to have incorrectly taken that from what I wrote. Ali Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
magisme Posted May 22, 2014 Share Posted May 22, 2014 Is the major issue that Axl is a lazy shit and Ron wants to be a productive musician? I find it fucking hilarious that Axl and TB will most likely try to spin this as if they've been wronged in some way. Maybe I'm off base, but that's what I expect. Cancer Part 2. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maynard Posted May 22, 2014 Share Posted May 22, 2014 Bumble leaving will be the perfect excuse to delay a new album. Knowing Axl he will blame Ron for everything, like he did with Bucket. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coma16 Posted May 22, 2014 Share Posted May 22, 2014 Is the major issue that Axl is a lazy shit and Ron wants to be a productive musician? I find it fucking hilarious that Axl and TB will most likely try to spin this as if they've been wronged in some way. Maybe I'm off base, but that's what I expect. Cancer Part 2. I hope that's not the case. Ron has taken it for the team a few times.However, he has been known to air his business out in public which I'm sure isn't appreciated. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nulla Lex Ink. Posted May 22, 2014 Share Posted May 22, 2014 I believe he's handed in his notice (not for the first time though) and Axl's fed up with his "im off, IM BACK! im off IM BACK" routine. I have a feeling Axl will call his bluff at the end of Vegas regardless of another potential U-Turn. I'm also led to believe there's been a major issue behind the scenes during the recent SA Tour and there will be some changes in general. Don't think this should be taken as negative though, depending on your stance actually, far from it.Bumble leaving would no doubt blow. He's the best guitarist there, one of the only people that could fill Bucket's shoes and was probably the most ambitious of the band (as far as doing new, interesting stuff).BUT that last bit intrigues me. Does the major issue involve another guitarist... liiiiike one that's not Bumble who he's been known to duke it out on Twitter with?Times like this I wish I followed Twitter stuff more. Who exactly are you referring to?That "changes in general" bit went entirely over my head last time. I wonder what the major issue is? I wonder what the changes will be? Especially since they can be interpreted as positives. People aside from Bumble leaving, as well? Guess we'll know in a few weeks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BangoSkank Posted May 22, 2014 Share Posted May 22, 2014 Is the major issue that Axl is a lazy shit and Ron wants to be a productive musician? I find it fucking hilarious that Axl and TB will most likely try to spin this as if they've been wronged in some way. Maybe I'm off base, but that's what I expect. Cancer Part 2. I hope that's not the case. Ron has taken it for the team a few times.However, he has been known to air his business out in public which I'm sure isn't appreciated.Not gonna lie, it'll be pretty rad once he lets loose (provided there's no non-disclosure). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tinyrobot Posted May 22, 2014 Share Posted May 22, 2014 Vegas 2012 1st show (without stupid jams and solos):CHINESE DEMOCRACYWELCOME TO THE JUNGLEIT'S SO EASYMR. BROWNSTONEESTRANGEDBETTERLIVE AND LET DIETHIS I LOVEROCKET QUEENMOTIVATIONSTREET OF DREAMSYOU COULD BE MINESWEET CHILD O' MINENOVEMBER RAINGLAD TO BE HEREDON'T CRYDON'T LET IT BRING YOU DOWNCIVIL WARKNOCKIN' ON HEAVEN'S DOORNIGHTRAINMADAGASCARPATIENCEPARADISE CITYVegas 2014 1st show:CHINESE DEMOCRACYWELCOME TO THE JUNGLEIT'S SO EASYMR. BROWNSTONEESTRANGEDBETTERROCKET QUEENLIVE AND LET DIETHIS I LOVEHOLIDAYS IN THE SUNCATCHER IN THE RYEYOU COULD BE MINESWEET CHILD O' MINENOVEMBER RAINABNORMALDON'T CRYCIVIL WARKNOCKIN' ON HEAVEN'S DOORNIGHTRAINPATIENCETHE SEEKERPARADISE CITY what a shame... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BangoSkank Posted May 22, 2014 Share Posted May 22, 2014 I believe he's handed in his notice (not for the first time though) and Axl's fed up with his "im off, IM BACK! im off IM BACK" routine. I have a feeling Axl will call his bluff at the end of Vegas regardless of another potential U-Turn. I'm also led to believe there's been a major issue behind the scenes during the recent SA Tour and there will be some changes in general. Don't think this should be taken as negative though, depending on your stance actually, far from it.Bumble leaving would no doubt blow. He's the best guitarist there, one of the only people that could fill Bucket's shoes and was probably the most ambitious of the band (as far as doing new, interesting stuff).BUT that last bit intrigues me. Does the major issue involve another guitarist... liiiiike one that's not Bumble who he's been known to duke it out on Twitter with?Times like this I wish I followed Twitter stuff more. Who exactly are you referring to?That "changes in general" bit went entirely over my head last time. I wonder what the major issue is? I wonder what the changes will be? Especially since they can be interpreted as positives. People aside from Bumble leaving, as well? Guess we'll know in a few weeks.He and DJ had some subtle/not-so-subtle jabs at each other on Twitter. Mainly, after Ron aired some grievances, DJ tweeted "Don't bite the hand that feeds you." I'm sure there were others too. Tie it in with the video of Axl & Bumble making fun of Dj's "Patience" solo and it seems pretty likely there's tension. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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tomfriend Posted May 22, 2014 Share Posted May 22, 2014 Good for Ron. A genuine and talented guy like him deserves to work in better company than a group of thieves, liars, posers and has-beens.I imagine much of this has to do with the 'news' posted here before the current tour.I personally thought management announcing (even through a fan site) that 'we might play 2 or 3 songs' was a fairly pathetic ploy. Almost an acknowledgement of their own stagnation. "Let's throw the diehards a carrot or they might not hand over their wallets for this year's cash grab tour" - and as if a couple of new/different songs wouldn't be a given with virtually any other band on the planet.The fact that Axl can't/won't even attempt to live up to the most piddlingly small pathetic aspirations he sets for himself and would rather play gigs knowing that he's failed to deliver as promises is as good an indicator as any that there's no hope.It also shows pretty clearly who's the cause of the current state of affairs. For all the claims of record company politics getting in the way, we can rest assured that if Axl wanted to play new material, we would be hearing it in a live setting at least. He's a constipated doughy shadow of his former self who seems too shit scared of failure to strive for success and put it on the line. A sad state of affairs for the last great rockstar. Good luck Ron. Stick to your guns, let the greenfly finish off the roses. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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magisme Posted May 22, 2014 Share Posted May 22, 2014 Is the major issue that Axl is a lazy shit and Ron wants to be a productive musician? I find it fucking hilarious that Axl and TB will most likely try to spin this as if they've been wronged in some way. Maybe I'm off base, but that's what I expect. Cancer Part 2. I hope that's not the case. Ron has taken it for the team a few times.However, he has been known to air his business out in public which I'm sure isn't appreciated.I hope not too. I hope they can be gracious about it. I hope a lot of things about Axl. I don't recommend it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomfriend Posted May 22, 2014 Share Posted May 22, 2014 Is the major issue that Axl is a lazy shit and Ron wants to be a productive musician? I find it fucking hilarious that Axl and TB will most likely try to spin this as if they've been wronged in some way. Maybe I'm off base, but that's what I expect. Cancer Part 2. Now we all know better. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bumble's Bridge Pickup Posted May 22, 2014 Share Posted May 22, 2014 Fucking hell, they have played the same setlist since I started high school. After finishing that I spent a year in the army and another year in my next school. GNR are becoming worse than Deep Purple. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nulla Lex Ink. Posted May 22, 2014 Share Posted May 22, 2014 Vegas 2012 1st show (without stupid jams and solos):CHINESE DEMOCRACYWELCOME TO THE JUNGLEIT'S SO EASYMR. BROWNSTONEESTRANGEDBETTERLIVE AND LET DIETHIS I LOVEROCKET QUEENMOTIVATIONSTREET OF DREAMSYOU COULD BE MINESWEET CHILD O' MINENOVEMBER RAINGLAD TO BE HEREDON'T CRYDON'T LET IT BRING YOU DOWNCIVIL WARKNOCKIN' ON HEAVEN'S DOORNIGHTRAINMADAGASCARPATIENCEPARADISE CITYVegas 2014 1st show:CHINESE DEMOCRACYWELCOME TO THE JUNGLEIT'S SO EASYMR. BROWNSTONEESTRANGEDBETTERROCKET QUEENLIVE AND LET DIETHIS I LOVEHOLIDAYS IN THE SUNCATCHER IN THE RYEYOU COULD BE MINESWEET CHILD O' MINENOVEMBER RAINABNORMALDON'T CRYCIVIL WARKNOCKIN' ON HEAVEN'S DOORNIGHTRAINPATIENCETHE SEEKERPARADISE CITY what a shame...Key difference man, "The Seeker." I'm telling you, "The Spaghetti Incident: The Sequel!?" announcement is just around the corner.I believe he's handed in his notice (not for the first time though) and Axl's fed up with his "im off, IM BACK! im off IM BACK" routine. I have a feeling Axl will call his bluff at the end of Vegas regardless of another potential U-Turn. I'm also led to believe there's been a major issue behind the scenes during the recent SA Tour and there will be some changes in general. Don't think this should be taken as negative though, depending on your stance actually, far from it.Bumble leaving would no doubt blow. He's the best guitarist there, one of the only people that could fill Bucket's shoes and was probably the most ambitious of the band (as far as doing new, interesting stuff).BUT that last bit intrigues me. Does the major issue involve another guitarist... liiiiike one that's not Bumble who he's been known to duke it out on Twitter with?Times like this I wish I followed Twitter stuff more. Who exactly are you referring to?That "changes in general" bit went entirely over my head last time. I wonder what the major issue is? I wonder what the changes will be? Especially since they can be interpreted as positives. People aside from Bumble leaving, as well? Guess we'll know in a few weeks.He and DJ had some subtle/not-so-subtle jabs at each other on Twitter. Mainly, after Ron aired some grievances, DJ tweeted "Don't bite the hand that feeds you." I'm sure there were others too. Tie it in with the video of Axl & Bumble making fun of Dj's "Patience" solo and it seems pretty likely there's tension.Oh wow, I had no idea. Except for the "Patience" incident, that I knew of. To be honest, I think if DJ ever leaves it will be because of band members making fun of him, which they seem to be doing a lot. He doesn't seem like the type to stick around that too much. Then again, this is his, what, fifth year as a member? So who knows. The money/advertisement opportunities might be too good to just leave. If that doesn't cause him to leave I imagine it will end up leading to his expulsion when Axl or whoever says "Jesus, I know we're a nostalgia act, but can't we at least sound good?" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RandallFlagg Posted May 22, 2014 Share Posted May 22, 2014 Lets be fair, they've added Civil War and Estranged and occasionally break out TWAT and Catcher. That's about the most progress there's been apart from Duff and two Ashba solos. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tinyrobot Posted May 22, 2014 Share Posted May 22, 2014 Vegas 2012 1st show (without stupid jams and solos):CHINESE DEMOCRACYWELCOME TO THE JUNGLEIT'S SO EASYMR. BROWNSTONEESTRANGEDBETTERLIVE AND LET DIETHIS I LOVEROCKET QUEENMOTIVATIONSTREET OF DREAMSYOU COULD BE MINESWEET CHILD O' MINENOVEMBER RAINGLAD TO BE HEREDON'T CRYDON'T LET IT BRING YOU DOWNCIVIL WARKNOCKIN' ON HEAVEN'S DOORNIGHTRAINMADAGASCARPATIENCEPARADISE CITYVegas 2014 1st show:CHINESE DEMOCRACYWELCOME TO THE JUNGLEIT'S SO EASYMR. BROWNSTONEESTRANGEDBETTERROCKET QUEENLIVE AND LET DIETHIS I LOVEHOLIDAYS IN THE SUNCATCHER IN THE RYEYOU COULD BE MINESWEET CHILD O' MINENOVEMBER RAINABNORMALDON'T CRYCIVIL WARKNOCKIN' ON HEAVEN'S DOORNIGHTRAINPATIENCETHE SEEKERPARADISE CITY what a shame...Key difference man, "The Seeker." I'm telling you, "The Spaghetti Incident: The Sequel!?" announcement is just around the corner.I will shoot myself Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Bonham Posted May 22, 2014 Share Posted May 22, 2014 GNR are becoming worse than Deep Purple.... and quotes like this are why us old-schoolers resent Axl Rose using the Guns N' Roses name for his vanity project! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ferrari Posted May 22, 2014 Share Posted May 22, 2014 I couldn't care less if that Bumblefoot guy leaves or stays, it's completely irrelevant unless it lead us to a reunion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trqster Posted May 22, 2014 Share Posted May 22, 2014 Axl looks quite OK and definitely better and less fat/bloated than last year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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