Lio Posted July 4, 2014 Share Posted July 4, 2014 MSL gets his info from Jim. in his words "Jim is legit"On the Beta sacking, Jim says:Families argue,disagree and disagree to disagree...But at the end of the day are still familiesThat's all I'm going to offer here.Gn'R fan since '87 here. Am I supposed to know who "Jim" is? Someone please Gn'R-educate me.I believe it's someone on MSL's forum. Don't know more specifics though So it's some random dude from MSL's forum? I mean I know MSL would have more inside info than the average fan. Is this Jim fella the 2014 version of Mysteron? Those were the days at HTGTH.I don't know. I'm kinda new to the forums, so don't know all the aliases and insiders or supposed insiders. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subtle Signs Posted July 4, 2014 Share Posted July 4, 2014 (edited) MSL gets his info from Jim. in his words "Jim is legit"On the Beta sacking, Jim says:Families argue,disagree and disagree to disagree...But at the end of the day are still familiesThat's all I'm going to offer here.Gn'R fan since '87 here. Am I supposed to know who "Jim" is? Someone please Gn'R-educate me.I believe it's someone on MSL's forum. Don't know more specifics though So it's some random dude from MSL's forum? I mean I know MSL would have more inside info than the average fan. Is this Jim fella the 2014 version of Mysteron? Those were the days at HTGTH.I don't know. I'm kinda new to the forums, so don't know all the aliases and insiders or supposed insiders.I've been reading the forums well over ten years and I still don't know the insiders but sometimes when there is fuck all going on with GN'R,it's funny to read about them and the hoarders,etc. Edited July 4, 2014 by xGNRxSTARx Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nambis Posted July 4, 2014 Share Posted July 4, 2014 families squabble. not the first or last time beta has quit or been fired. it was over two weeks ago. hopefully cooler heads have prevailed. i don't know what all the drama was between rock fuel & TB or why things got so heated. if rock fuel chooses to shed some light, that would be lovely. i've said all i know.and MSL is unbanned, finally! welcome back man. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
superloconoriega Posted July 4, 2014 Share Posted July 4, 2014 Beta is like Axl's mom and Fernando and his siter like Axl's sons. There's no way Axl's gonna fire Beta over a blue ray situation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subtle Signs Posted July 4, 2014 Share Posted July 4, 2014 I'm not sure why a lot of you want Beta gone. I mean Irving Azoff,one of the most powerful men in entertainment was at the helm and we know how that turned out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Val22 Posted July 4, 2014 Share Posted July 4, 2014 Boy must be a slow news day. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
highvoltage Posted July 4, 2014 Share Posted July 4, 2014 Hardly. If you have ever heard of "warchild", then you have heard of "jim".Pele, you seem to be part of a flood of accounts that registered yesterday. I'll give you the benefit of the doubt as always, but if you're here to stir trouble / discuss formerly banned members, kindly leave. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrSoftie Posted July 4, 2014 Share Posted July 4, 2014 Also there are vaguely cryptic tweets from a production company about working with GNR. For the love of God, we need new music.Explain... Not heard this yet.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tinyrobot Posted July 4, 2014 Share Posted July 4, 2014 I'm not sure why a lot of you want Beta gone. I mean Irving Azoff,one of the most powerful men in entertainment was at the helm and we know how that turned out.I'm not sure people want Beta entirely gone.. If she's like a mother figure to Axl, that ain't happening anytime soon.What I guess people want is have Beta gone back to the kitchen and household affairs and get someone with real experience in the music business pulling Axl out of the hole he's in and finally make him record amazing music.I don't know to what extent that is possible and if there is really someone out there who can achieve this or it is all based on Axl's will to resurface as the great singer he used to be. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subtle Signs Posted July 4, 2014 Share Posted July 4, 2014 I'm not sure why a lot of you want Beta gone. I mean Irving Azoff,one of the most powerful men in entertainment was at the helm and we know how that turned out.I'm not sure people want Beta entirely gone.. If she's like a mother figure to Axl, that ain't happening anytime soon.What I guess people want is have Beta gone back to the kitchen and household affairs and get someone with real experience in the music business pulling Axl out of the hole he's in and finally make him record amazing music.I don't know to what extent that is possible and if there is really someone out there who can achieve this or it is all based on Axl's will to resurface as the great singer he used to be.Who is greater in the music industry than Azoff and Doc McGhee? Those are some pretty heavy hitters. I know there were others but those names spring to mind.I guess you could bring in anybody but if Axl doesn't wanna play ball then it's a no-go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lio Posted July 4, 2014 Share Posted July 4, 2014 I'm not sure why a lot of you want Beta gone. I mean Irving Azoff,one of the most powerful men in entertainment was at the helm and we know how that turned out.I'm not sure people want Beta entirely gone.. If she's like a mother figure to Axl, that ain't happening anytime soon.What I guess people want is have Beta gone back to the kitchen and household affairs and get someone with real experience in the music business pulling Axl out of the hole he's in and finally make him record amazing music.I don't know to what extent that is possible and if there is really someone out there who can achieve this or it is all based on Axl's will to resurface as the great singer he used to be.Who is greater in the music industry than Azoff and Doc McGhee? Those are some pretty heavy hitters. I know there were others but those names spring to mind.I guess you could bring in anybody but if Axl doesn't wanna play ball then it's a no-go.This. Plus I always think the housekeeper is a petty argument. She's been in the music industry now in one way or the other for more than twenty years, she has experience. A lot of people here act as if Axl just made a random cleaning lady his manager. I don't know if she's any good, I don't know if anyone else could do it better, but I don't like that argument. Furthermore, she had an executive job in Brazil before she moved to the US. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoGer99 Posted July 4, 2014 Author Share Posted July 4, 2014 Guess will have to wait and seeee..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patience 4 Axl Posted July 4, 2014 Share Posted July 4, 2014 (edited) So Beta may have been fired, but in all likelihood even if she was, she is back? Well, that was uneventful. Edited July 4, 2014 by Patience 4 Axl 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tinyrobot Posted July 4, 2014 Share Posted July 4, 2014 I'm not sure why a lot of you want Beta gone. I mean Irving Azoff,one of the most powerful men in entertainment was at the helm and we know how that turned out.I'm not sure people want Beta entirely gone.. If she's like a mother figure to Axl, that ain't happening anytime soon.What I guess people want is have Beta gone back to the kitchen and household affairs and get someone with real experience in the music business pulling Axl out of the hole he's in and finally make him record amazing music.I don't know to what extent that is possible and if there is really someone out there who can achieve this or it is all based on Axl's will to resurface as the great singer he used to be.Who is greater in the music industry than Azoff and Doc McGhee? Those are some pretty heavy hitters. I know there were others but those names spring to mind.I guess you could bring in anybody but if Axl doesn't wanna play ball then it's a no-go.That's why I'm saying... at this point, it feels like its all about Axl and probably him not finding his "Slash".... I think he has talked about how hard it was to find someone to replace Slash. I guess he hasnt found that person at all and that's why he's having trouble releasing music as fast as we want. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tinyrobot Posted July 4, 2014 Share Posted July 4, 2014 I'm not sure why a lot of you want Beta gone. I mean Irving Azoff,one of the most powerful men in entertainment was at the helm and we know how that turned out.I'm not sure people want Beta entirely gone.. If she's like a mother figure to Axl, that ain't happening anytime soon.What I guess people want is have Beta gone back to the kitchen and household affairs and get someone with real experience in the music business pulling Axl out of the hole he's in and finally make him record amazing music.I don't know to what extent that is possible and if there is really someone out there who can achieve this or it is all based on Axl's will to resurface as the great singer he used to be.Who is greater in the music industry than Azoff and Doc McGhee? Those are some pretty heavy hitters. I know there were others but those names spring to mind.I guess you could bring in anybody but if Axl doesn't wanna play ball then it's a no-go.This. Plus I always think the housekeeper is a petty argument. She's been in the music industry now in one way or the other for more than twenty years, she has experience. A lot of people here act as if Axl just made a random cleaning lady his manager. I don't know if she's any good, I don't know if anyone else could do it better, but I don't like that argument. Furthermore, she had an executive job in Brazil before she moved to the US.Nah. She has experience with ONLY ONE artist and when she joined him, he was coming down from the peak of the mountain. Her experience is very limited. 20 years of basically accompanying a singer who took 13 years to complete an album. I wouldn't take that experience too serious."Executive job" in Brazil, not sure about that. Recently I found out people in Brazil call maids "assistant" or "secretary", and in the end they are just people who help a busy someone. Maybe they do not particularly "clean the toilett", but it's really not that much of a deal as the title sounds.Plus, it makes no sense that she had an "executive job" in Brazil to move to the US to be the nanny of the son of a supermodel. Usually one doesn't go backwards in the working career. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forsaken Posted July 4, 2014 Share Posted July 4, 2014 So Beta may have been fired, but in all likelihood even if she was, she is back? Well, that was uneventful. Just enough to stir the pot you know Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lio Posted July 4, 2014 Share Posted July 4, 2014 (edited) Nah. She has experience with ONLY ONE artist and when she joined him, he was coming down from the peak of the mountain. Her experience is very limited. 20 years of basically accompanying a singer who took 13 years to complete an album. I wouldn't take that experience too serious."Executive job" in Brazil, not sure about that. Recently I found out people in Brazil call maids "assistant" or "secretary", and in the end they are just people who help a busy someone. Maybe they do not particularly "clean the toilett", but it's really not that much of a deal as the title sounds.Plus, it makes no sense that she had an "executive job" in Brazil to move to the US to be the nanny of the son of a supermodel. Usually one doesn't go backwards in the working career.Unless you are moving to another country and aren't really fluent in the language, you don't have the right degrees, references... Anyway, I don't know what she specifically did in Brazil and I feel no urge to defend her in any way, but it bugs me that after more than 20 years people still call her nanny or housekeeper. I think it's a cheap shot. That's all. 20 years ago, I was a babysitter too Edited July 4, 2014 by Lio Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BangoSkank Posted July 4, 2014 Share Posted July 4, 2014 Also there are vaguely cryptic tweets from a production company about working with GNR. For the love of God, we need new music.Explain... Not heard this yet..Apologies, that should say "posts" not "tweets". There's a post a few pages back saying that Rockfuel implied they could, figuratively, write a book on what it was like dealing with GN'R management. I wasn't actively involved in that thread, but from what I've seen of it they have (gently) let people know the whole process was very difficult. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gavgnr Posted July 4, 2014 Share Posted July 4, 2014 Also there are vaguely cryptic tweets from a production company about working with GNR. For the love of God, we need new music.Explain... Not heard this yet..Yeah this caught my eye tooAnyone know owt about this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoGer99 Posted July 4, 2014 Author Share Posted July 4, 2014 So there are 2 sides of the story...Mygnr: Subs reached out to beta and asked....she said that it was bullshit .MSL: Said :"She is telling other forums that my story is 100% untrue. ..but I've read e-mails and heard phonecalls where sheadmits it.Mabey Beta was fired. ..but only for a week or so ? :/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrSoftie Posted July 4, 2014 Share Posted July 4, 2014 Also there are vaguely cryptic tweets from a production company about working with GNR. For the love of God, we need new music.Explain... Not heard this yet.. Apologies, that should say "posts" not "tweets". There's a post a few pages back saying that Rockfuel implied they could, figuratively, write a book on what it was like dealing with GN'R management. I wasn't actively involved in that thread, but from what I've seen of it they have (gently) let people know the whole process was very difficult. I see. I thought you were talking about someone else working with GNR in the studio or something... Wishful thinking Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bards Posted July 4, 2014 Share Posted July 4, 2014 I'm not sure why a lot of you want Beta gone. I mean Irving Azoff,one of the most powerful men in entertainment was at the helm and we know how that turned out.Yeah. We got an album. I don't care how Axl's feelings may have been hurt. We got music. This. Plus I always think the housekeeper is a petty argument. She's been in the music industry now in one way or the other for more than twenty years, she has experience. A lot of people here act as if Axl just made a random cleaning lady his manager. I don't know if she's any good, I don't know if anyone else could do it better, but I don't like that argument. Furthermore, she had an executive job in Brazil before she moved to the US.Doing what? Not being flippant, honest question. What do we know that she actually did during that time? You can not like the argument but it doesn't make it any less valid. Especially when people point out how "in over her head" she appears to be. Also, people who are executives in any country generally don't move to the US to become housekeepers. Ordinary citizens maybe, but if she were really an executive, you would think she could have got a better gig out of the gate than folding Stephanie Seymour's clothes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
combos Posted July 4, 2014 Share Posted July 4, 2014 All I know is this. Pre Beta management, we had a band consisting of Axl, Slash, Izzy, Duff and Steven followed by Appetite for Destruction, GNR Lies, UYI 1&2 all in a matter of FOUR YEARS. Post Beta management, we've had two bands of various members, the second of which is a cover band and CD which took 17 years.It doesn't take much of an IQ to deduce things.This just in! Beta has been the manager for 23 years!Actually, that was Goldstein. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoGer99 Posted July 4, 2014 Author Share Posted July 4, 2014 Bring back Goldstein !!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarkFairy81 Posted July 4, 2014 Share Posted July 4, 2014 I wanna know why Axl needs so many assistants? Or he just hires anyone that has anything to do with TB and supports them? Idgi. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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