Len Cnut Posted December 4, 2020 Author Share Posted December 4, 2020 (edited) 2 hours ago, Iron MikeyJ said: Anybody care to hear my thoughts in regards to Holyfield? Dude was on roids for the Tyson fights. For one, he WAS named in a steroid clinic controversy. For two, look at his career, the dude was a cruiserweight and ended up being bigger than Mike. Tyson was naturally a heavyweight, Holyfield was not. My final piece of evidence is his first title run. He weighed less, looked smaller, etc during this run. He also had hair (which roids effects that). In the third Bowe fight, Holyfield was WASHED. I've never seen another fighter look so old, wore out, and just plain DONE as Holyfield looked in that 3rd fight. Yes he said he had a "heart condition" then two years later magically goes away (which is questionable). Then he comes back, bigger and better than ever. IDK, when you add it all up, sounds like roids to me. I'm not knocking his first title run, I think he was clean then. He got in the ring with Bowe for the first fight, and wasn't sure if he could hang at heavy anymore. But I WILL give him the 2nd fight with Bowe, he earned that one (and might have been clean for it as well). But after the loss to Michael Moore, then to Riddick for the 2nd time (and looked bad during that loss), I can't think of another story quite like that. What fighter has looked DONE like that, and come back better than ever? Usually when they are washed, they are done, it's over. Then for the Tyson fight, he comes back bigger and better than ever. It just doesn't "feel" right to me. Tyson has alluded to it in interviews. He's never said "Holyfield was on roids" but he HAS said "I wanted them to know I was BETTER than them, man to man, without help" and "guys wanted to get that extra edge, everybody knew." Given that Holyfield was named in a steroid controversy, who else could he be alluding to? There’s very little doubt that he was on steroids. I remember hearing somewhere his wife was a ‘pain management specialist’. I think steroids are much ado about nothing, an song Tyson beats Holy’, steroids or no steroids. A lot more boxers are than is known, Roy Jones had his little steroids controversy, Pacman is also suspect in that regard. Edited December 4, 2020 by Len Cnut Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieselDaisy Posted December 4, 2020 Share Posted December 4, 2020 Plus Jersey Joe Walcott has the best ''boxer's name'' in the history of the sport. This is one of the best documentaries ever made - must've watched it about five times, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Len Cnut Posted December 4, 2020 Author Share Posted December 4, 2020 1 minute ago, DieselDaisy said: Plus Jersey Joe Walcott has the best ''boxer's name'' in the history of the sport. This is one of the best documentaries ever made - must've watched it about five times, I think its a disgrace setting Mike Tyson to rock music This is the correct soundtrack to Mike: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieselDaisy Posted December 4, 2020 Share Posted December 4, 2020 Just now, Len Cnut said: I think its a disgrace setting Mike Tyson to rock music This is the correct soundtrack to Mike: Is that Vanilla Ice's latest? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Len Cnut Posted December 4, 2020 Author Share Posted December 4, 2020 3 minutes ago, DieselDaisy said: Is that Vanilla Ice's latest? Nah, its Mozarts little known debut, he switched his style up in later life. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieselDaisy Posted December 4, 2020 Share Posted December 4, 2020 Just watching Berbick being sized up by Tyson and he was already shitting his pants. My god. Feel sorry for him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Len Cnut Posted December 4, 2020 Author Share Posted December 4, 2020 Just now, DieselDaisy said: Just watching Berbick being sized up by Tyson and he was already shitting his pants. My god. Feel sorry for him. Tyson had crabs at the time. Thats not a joke either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieselDaisy Posted December 4, 2020 Share Posted December 4, 2020 1 minute ago, Len Cnut said: Tyson had crabs at the time. Thats not a joke either. Even Tyson's crabs could destroy poor Trev there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Len Cnut Posted December 4, 2020 Author Share Posted December 4, 2020 Just now, DieselDaisy said: Even Tyson's crabs could destroy poor Trev there. Did you ever see Trevs car park brawl with Larry Holmes? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iron MikeyJ Posted December 4, 2020 Share Posted December 4, 2020 15 minutes ago, DieselDaisy said: Plus Jersey Joe Walcott has the best ''boxer's name'' in the history of the sport. This is one of the best documentaries ever made - must've watched it about five times, I have this on DVD 😀 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iron MikeyJ Posted December 4, 2020 Share Posted December 4, 2020 3 minutes ago, Len Cnut said: Did you ever see Trevs car park brawl with Larry Holmes? I HAVE seen this before. Honestly, people like to talk about the Tyson vs Lewis prefight brawl, but this one was worse. Holmes jumping off a car... That's epic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Len Cnut Posted December 4, 2020 Author Share Posted December 4, 2020 7 minutes ago, Iron MikeyJ said: I HAVE seen this before. Honestly, people like to talk about the Tyson vs Lewis prefight brawl, but this one was worse. Holmes jumping off a car... That's epic. Sailing through the air like a piano dropped off a cliff 😂 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iron MikeyJ Posted December 4, 2020 Share Posted December 4, 2020 10 minutes ago, DieselDaisy said: Just watching Berbick being sized up by Tyson and he was already shitting his pants. My god. Feel sorry for him. Berbick is an interesting fighter. I like all those guys from that late 70s early 80s era. I own this book called "Facing Tyson" and it tells the stories of all these different guys leading up and after their bouts with Tyson. I believe the same guy also did one called "Facing Ali". Anyways, I can't remember all the guys in the book off the top of my head, but the Bone crusher Smith, Pinklon Thomas, Tony Tucker, Tyrell Biggs, Trevor Berbick, etc were all really good, solid heavyweights. That era (after Holmes and before Tyson) was similar to what happened after Lennox Lewis retired, the heavyweight division was in shambles. Holmes pretty much got screwed out of his titles, and Spinks didn't defend. So all the belts got scrambled around (although, if memory serves, Holmes dropped a belt or two along the way). But what that era DID have was Tyson on the way. So it was only in "shambles" for a year or two, not the going on 20 that it's been now. On the flip side though, when the belts get scattered like that, it creates alphabet champions that can claim a portion of the title. Which leads to interesting fights (like what's going on now). A guy like Andy Ruiz can rise to the top of the division. That's essentially what happened back then as well with the guys I just mentioned. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Len Cnut Posted December 5, 2020 Author Share Posted December 5, 2020 11 hours ago, Iron MikeyJ said: Berbick is an interesting fighter. I like all those guys from that late 70s early 80s era. I own this book called "Facing Tyson" and it tells the stories of all these different guys leading up and after their bouts with Tyson. I believe the same guy also did one called "Facing Ali". Anyways, I can't remember all the guys in the book off the top of my head, but the Bone crusher Smith, Pinklon Thomas, Tony Tucker, Tyrell Biggs, Trevor Berbick, etc were all really good, solid heavyweights. That era (after Holmes and before Tyson) was similar to what happened after Lennox Lewis retired, the heavyweight division was in shambles. Holmes pretty much got screwed out of his titles, and Spinks didn't defend. So all the belts got scrambled around (although, if memory serves, Holmes dropped a belt or two along the way). But what that era DID have was Tyson on the way. So it was only in "shambles" for a year or two, not the going on 20 that it's been now. On the flip side though, when the belts get scattered like that, it creates alphabet champions that can claim a portion of the title. Which leads to interesting fights (like what's going on now). A guy like Andy Ruiz can rise to the top of the division. That's essentially what happened back then as well with the guys I just mentioned. Berbick was a bad motherfucker too, he’s dead now, if I recall correctly his nephew shot him in Jamaica. Did you not think Facing Ali was a crock of shit? I mean it was great to hear from Georgie Chuvalo (another tragic life, lost two sons to drugs and a wife to suicide as she couldn’t handle her sons death) but all that bullshit from Veronica ‘I saw God in Ali’s eyes’, give me a fuckin’ break, I mean he’s a great man and all but lets not be silly here. The man you wanna hear from in a Facing Tyson is Mitch Green Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieselDaisy Posted December 5, 2020 Share Posted December 5, 2020 I used to collect these dvds with all the old fights. Still have them. They originally were on VHS and came with a magazine - you bought them in a newsagents - then they plonked them on dvd later on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Len Cnut Posted December 5, 2020 Author Share Posted December 5, 2020 23 minutes ago, DieselDaisy said: I used to collect these dvds with all the old fights. Still have them. They originally were on VHS and came with a magazine - you bought them in a newsagents - then they plonked them on dvd later on. Oh I know the ones! Oh what the fuck were they called now? The first video was Rumble in the Jungle weren't it, free with this little magazine. Fighters or Fights or...no, I'm not even close, fuck knows but I know the ones you mean. The advent of youtube is a treasure trove for me, people forget how hard it was to fuckin' watch old fights back in the day, now since youtube I'm like a rat in a cakeshop, most times if I'm not doing nothing or watching a film I'll be watching some old fight from fuck knows when. But in them days it was like you had fuck all. They did these odd retrospectives on VHS every time a fighter got a little fame, you'd get Tyson, Naseem Hamed, Frank Bruno in some bargain bin thing...other than that, nothing. I remember this video collection that came out, you found it in newsagents for 3.99 a pop, it was basically episodes of some American TV show presented by Marv Albert and Fredie Pachecho where they'd show and then analyze a fight. Overall though there was just fuck all. You read about it. I first saw Duran vs Ken Buchanan on the magazine video thing you were talking about. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieselDaisy Posted December 5, 2020 Share Posted December 5, 2020 I think people used to collect fight films. Bootlegs. That was the only way. Some of them were rarer than others no doubt. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Len Cnut Posted December 5, 2020 Author Share Posted December 5, 2020 Anthony Yarde vs Lyndon Arthur kicking off in a bit...then the big yank main event in the wee hours, Spence vs Garcia. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Len Cnut Posted December 6, 2020 Author Share Posted December 6, 2020 Errol Spence out here handling business! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gavin82 Posted December 12, 2020 Share Posted December 12, 2020 Ill be watching AJ later even tho I don't care what happens AJ has a 2 fight deal with Fury so I'm guessing he's not going too loose. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrayWyatt Posted December 12, 2020 Share Posted December 12, 2020 2 hours ago, Gavin82 said: Ill be watching AJ later even tho I don't care what happens AJ has a 2 fight deal with Fury so I'm guessing he's not going too loose. I can't see Joshua losing but i hope the cunt does. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gavin82 Posted December 12, 2020 Share Posted December 12, 2020 Here we go Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gavin82 Posted December 12, 2020 Share Posted December 12, 2020 Fair play too Pulev in tbe 3RD he took it all very well Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moreblack Posted December 12, 2020 Share Posted December 12, 2020 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieselDaisy Posted December 13, 2020 Share Posted December 13, 2020 It was a good fight - still thought Pulev had a puncher's chance even after the first knockdown. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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