How would you feel if Axl continued with NuGNR under a different name and then did a reunion with the old band?

[-W.A.R-]

i'd feel fine about that

[Rustycage]

If you think Axl will ever drop the GNR name, you're out of your mind. He wanted his own NIN, he got it, he made an awful record with it, he turned the name into a joke, took it to Casinos, bowling alleys and weddings, he fought very hard to do that to the GNR name, he won't let it go.

Well if he does a reunion he will be forced to let it go.

No he wouldn't. He owns the name.

Other bands have done reunions, off the top of my head, like the Beach Boys, Kiss, Status Quo, etc., and then some members continued touring afterwards under that band name with other musicians. So there would be nothing unique about GnR doing a one off reunion and then Axl continuing under that name with different musicians.

If he did a one off reunion show and then went back to his nugnr act, it would definitely be the death of nugnr. The whole world would be laughing and saying wtf.

[classicrawker]

If you think Axl will ever drop the GNR name, you're out of your mind. He wanted his own NIN, he got it, he made an awful record with it, he turned the name into a joke, took it to Casinos, bowling alleys and weddings, he fought very hard to do that to the GNR name, he won't let it go.

Well if he does a reunion he will be forced to let it go.

No he wouldn't. He owns the name.

Other bands have done reunions, off the top of my head, like the Beach Boys, Kiss, Status Quo, etc., and then some members continued touring afterwards under that band name with other musicians. So there would be nothing unique about GnR doing a one off reunion and then Axl continuing under that name with different musicians.

If he did a one off reunion show and then went back to his nugnr act, it would definitely be the death of nugnr. The whole world would be laughing and saying wtf.

Considering the shit Axl was taking already for NuGnR, and the fact that they were having trouble selling tickets already in many markets, I doubt a reunion would make any difference.

Like I said other bands have already done these types of reunions and then continued on afterwards without all the original members with no problems.

JMO but Axl could go out on the road again with a new band after a reunion and still draw the same as NuGuns did recently.

[Rustycage]

I strongly disagree. GNR is the reunion everyone has been waiting for. To do one show and expect people to pay for tickets to the nugnr project afterwards is wishful thinking. He's missing 2 guitarists FFS.

[Strange Broue]

Think about it.... if and when Axl does a reunion with the old band, there will be no going back. It's not as if Axl can do a reunion tour with Slash and Duff and then go back to Fortus and Tommy and expect people to buy both bands as Guns N Roses.

Hypothetical situation... Axl releases a statement announcing that he will be releasing CD2 under another band name (Stay of Execution perhaps?). This would be the best of both worlds for Axl. He could tour the album and as he wasn't touring under the GNR name it would allow him more freedom with the setlists, he could do stuff from CD2, CD1 and perhaps throw in the odd GNR crowd-pleaser like Velvet Revolver used to do. Then if a reunion does take place, there will only be one GNR in the marketplace and if it all goes tits up (which it's bound to at some stage), Axl can go back and tour with his other band.

Add to this, the songs written for CD2 are not original GNR. Taking off Finck/BH/Ron guitar parts and replacing them with Slash and Izzy will not make them any more legitimately GNR. Any material recorded already for CD2 should be released with the musicians who created them and if original GNR want to do a reunion album they should work only on songs they wrote together or singularly.

Thoughts?

I would feel like the same as i read this long winded spculating post

tl;dr

j/k

But serisously:

this is a good idea

[classicrawker]

I strongly disagree. GNR is the reunion everyone has been waiting for. To do one show and expect people to pay for tickets to the nugnr project afterwards is wishful thinking. He's missing 2 guitarists FFS.

We will have to agree to disagree Rusty. Guns is basically a legacy band now and while a reunion tour would be very successful I don't think anyone would care if they did one show or one tour and then Axl put NuGnR back on the road with new members.

Do you really think the average fan actually cares who is on NuGuns other than Axl? He easily replaced Finck and Bucket and only released one album in 15+ years and he still was able to draw fans in markets outside America.

IMHO as long as Axl wants to tour as GnR he will still draw his core fans no matter who is in the band.

Other bands have done it so no reason Axl can't.

[Silent Jay]

Think about it.... if and when Axl does a reunion with the old band, there will be no going back. It's not as if Axl can do a reunion tour with Slash and Duff and then go back to Fortus and Tommy and expect people to buy both bands as Guns N Roses.

Hypothetical situation... Axl releases a statement announcing that he will be releasing CD2 under another band name (Stay of Execution perhaps?). This would be the best of both worlds for Axl. He could tour the album and as he wasn't touring under the GNR name it would allow him more freedom with the setlists, he could do stuff from CD2, CD1 and perhaps throw in the odd GNR crowd-pleaser like Velvet Revolver used to do. Then if a reunion does take place, there will only be one GNR in the marketplace and if it all goes tits up (which it's bound to at some stage), Axl can go back and tour with his other band.

Add to this, the songs written for CD2 are not original GNR. Taking off Finck/BH/Ron guitar parts and replacing them with Slash and Izzy will not make them any more legitimately GNR. Any material recorded already for CD2 should be released with the musicians who created them and if original GNR want to do a reunion album they should work only on songs they wrote together or singularly.

Thoughts?

But if CD is GNR, why should axl be releasing CDII under a new name? Makes no sense.

I think people are reading too much into what Slash said. They're speaking to dispell all the negative stuff, copyright issues mostly. Axl is expecting to release CDII with 1996/Slash seeds songs next year, and maybe a bit more. Then touring the world with Dizzy, Pitman, Richard, Tommy, Frank... Slash is planning on releasing a solo album next year, then touring the world with Myles.

Better chance on Robin or even Paul Tobias coming back next year than Slash.

Edited August 25, 2015 by Silent Jay

[Rustycage]

I strongly disagree. GNR is the reunion everyone has been waiting for. To do one show and expect people to pay for tickets to the nugnr project afterwards is wishful thinking. He's missing 2 guitarists FFS.

We will have to agree to disagree Rusty. Guns is basically a legacy band now and while a reunion tour would be very successful I don't think anyone would care if they did one show or one tour and then Axl put NuGnR back on the road with new members.

Do you really think the average fan actually cares who is on NuGuns other than Axl? He easily replaced Finck and Bucket and only released one album in 15+ years and he still was able to draw fans in markets outside America.

IMHO as long as Axl wants to tour as GnR he will still draw his core fans no matter who is in the band.

Other bands have done it so no reason Axl can't.

The amount of people attending over the years has been consistently going down. To do a one show reunion and immediately go back to the nugnr show and expect it to not miss a beat wouldn't be as easy as you think.

You think the "where's slash" is bad now? Wait until that is tried. The amount of wtfs will be heard for miles.

[DieselDaisy]

If you think Axl will ever drop the GNR name, you're out of your mind. He wanted his own NIN, he got it, he made an awful record with it, he turned the name into a joke, took it to Casinos, bowling alleys and weddings, he fought very hard to do that to the GNR name, he won't let it go.

Well if he does a reunion he will be forced to let it go.

No he wouldn't. He owns the name.

Other bands have done reunions, off the top of my head, like the Beach Boys, Kiss, Status Quo, etc., and then some members continued touring afterwards under that band name with other musicians. So there would be nothing unique about GnR doing a one off reunion and then Axl continuing under that name with different musicians.

It has been done before but it always feels like an anti-climax, 'sloppy seconds', the chaff after the wheat. Status Quo fans went crazy when they reunited with the Alan Lancaster line-up and then swiftly got bored again when Quo resumed with their newer line-up. I think there was a DVD and the setlist was more exciting than it had been since the 1970s with all of these 'deep cuts' and Classic Rock were given the whole thing their undivided support. Kiss's decision to continue with Singer and Thayer in Ace and Peter's make-up has been universally reviled. But yes, it certainly happens. There is nothing even stopping Axl doing a full-blooded two year reunion then return to the new band. But he has to be prepared for the diaspora of fans.

[classicrawker]

I strongly disagree. GNR is the reunion everyone has been waiting for. To do one show and expect people to pay for tickets to the nugnr project afterwards is wishful thinking. He's missing 2 guitarists FFS.

We will have to agree to disagree Rusty. Guns is basically a legacy band now and while a reunion tour would be very successful I don't think anyone would care if they did one show or one tour and then Axl put NuGnR back on the road with new members.

Do you really think the average fan actually cares who is on NuGuns other than Axl? He easily replaced Finck and Bucket and only released one album in 15+ years and he still was able to draw fans in markets outside America.

IMHO as long as Axl wants to tour as GnR he will still draw his core fans no matter who is in the band.

Other bands have done it so no reason Axl can't.

The amount of people attending over the years has been consistently going down. To do a one show reunion and immediately go back to the nugnr show and expect it to not miss a beat wouldn't be as easy as you think.

You think the "where's slash" is bad now? Wait until that is tried. The amount of wtfs will be heard for miles.

I think you are over thinking this Rusty. Like I said other bands have done this, including Kiss, and never missed a beat.

GnR is just not that high profile anymore where I think it makes a difference.

If you think Axl will ever drop the GNR name, you're out of your mind. He wanted his own NIN, he got it, he made an awful record with it, he turned the name into a joke, took it to Casinos, bowling alleys and weddings, he fought very hard to do that to the GNR name, he won't let it go.

Well if he does a reunion he will be forced to let it go.

No he wouldn't. He owns the name.

Other bands have done reunions, off the top of my head, like the Beach Boys, Kiss, Status Quo, etc., and then some members continued touring afterwards under that band name with other musicians. So there would be nothing unique about GnR doing a one off reunion and then Axl continuing under that name with different musicians.

It has been done before but it always feels like an anti-climax, 'sloppy seconds', the chaff after the wheat. Status Quo fans went crazy when they reunited with the Alan Lancaster line-up and then swiftly got bored again when Quo resumed with their newer line-up. I think there was a DVD and the setlist was more exciting than it had been since the 1970s with all of these 'deep cuts' and Classic Rock were given the whole thing their undivided support. Kiss's decision to continue with Singer and Thayer in Ace and Peter's make-up has been universally reviled. But yes, it certainly happens. There is nothing even stopping Axl doing a full-blooded two year reunion then return to the new band. But he has to be prepared for the diaspora of fans.

I can't comment on whether the NuStatus Quo lost fans after the reunion but Kiss never missed a beat and still sells out shows with the two replacement musicians so it had little impact on their bottom line AFAIK.

I just don't think it would be a big deal if Axl reformed a new GnR band after a reunion as I don't think the band is that main stream anymore. I think fans who supported Axl before a reunion would still support him after. Sure he would take some abuse from the fans amd media but that never stopped him in the past. This is JMO of course.

[sliverjazz]

Motley Crue as a touring rock band signed a legally binding contract to not tour anymore.

[moreblack]

Never gonna happen imo. Axl said he always viewed Chinese as a double. One album. The second half must be under the band name "Guns N' Roses".

Much like the pre-reunion Kiss lineup released Carnival Of Souls despite the old band being back together already.

[DieselDaisy]

Well Kiss are no longer playing Tiger Stadium or MSG anymore. Don't forget the Kiss Reunion Tour was absolutely massive.

[Chewbacca]

Confused.

[Rustycage]

I think you are over thinking this Rusty. Like I said other bands have done this, including Kiss, and never missed a beat.

GnR is just not that high profile anymore where I think it makes a difference.

I don't get the appeal of KISS and don't agree with the comparison. The impact the bands made were much different in contrast. When original KISS comes up, the internet doesn't nearly blow up like it does when GNR reunion rumors start.

GNR were on the scale of Aerosmith, Zeppelin and possibly the Stones.

Tyler/Perry = Plant/Page = Jagger/Richards = Axl/Slash > Simmons/Stanley.

No offense but sometimes I wonder if some people even remember how big GNR really were and what they meant to the music world. The music world foams when they think a GNR reunion could be in the works.

Say you are dating a 6 who is ok in bed. You then date a 9 or 10 that is great in bed. Afterwards, hooking up with a 6 is going to seem like a 4 or less in contrast. In contrast, nugnr shows after people see what could be the biggest rock reunion generation X could witness will not have the same, "let's go see Axl!" appeal that the nugnr shows have now. Will people show up? Of course. But every show will be a let down with people wondering why they are getting a McDonald's fish sandwich when Lobster and crab is what they really want.

[classicrawker]

I think you are over thinking this Rusty. Like I said other bands have done this, including Kiss, and never missed a beat.

GnR is just not that high profile anymore where I think it makes a difference.

I don't get the appeal of KISS and don't agree with the comparison. The impact the bands made were much different in contrast. When original KISS comes up, the internet doesn't nearly blow up like it does when GNR reunion rumors start.

GNR were on the scale of Aerosmith, Zeppelin and possibly the Stones.

Tyler/Perry = Plant/Page = Jagger/Richards = Axl/Slash > Simmons/Stanley.

No offense but sometimes I wonder if some people even remember how big GNR really were and what they meant to the music world. The music world foams when they think a GNR reunion could be in the works.

Say you are dating a 6 who is ok in bed. You then date a 9 or 10 that is great in bed. Afterwards, hooking up with a 6 is going to seem like a 4 or less in contrast. In contrast, nugnr shows after people see what could be the biggest rock reunion generation X could witness will not have the same, "let's go see Axl!" appeal that the nugnr shows have now. Will people show up? Of course. But every show will be a let down with people wondering why they are getting a McDonald's fish sandwich when Lobster and crab is what they really want.

Can't comment on the internet reaction to a Kiss reunion as I don't follow the band but it could be that they have never stopped touring.

And no offense taken but I did see original Guns live in 87 and 88 and again during the UYI tours so I know how big they were back then but let's be honest Axl let his fan base slowly die so while I do believe a reunion will be a huge draw I don't see people getting worked up if it is a one and done and Axl decides to go out with a NGuns again.

[Rustycage]

I think you are over thinking this Rusty. Like I said other bands have done this, including Kiss, and never missed a beat.

GnR is just not that high profile anymore where I think it makes a difference.

I don't get the appeal of KISS and don't agree with the comparison. The impact the bands made were much different in contrast. When original KISS comes up, the internet doesn't nearly blow up like it does when GNR reunion rumors start.

GNR were on the scale of Aerosmith, Zeppelin and possibly the Stones.

Tyler/Perry = Plant/Page = Jagger/Richards = Axl/Slash > Simmons/Stanley.

No offense but sometimes I wonder if some people even remember how big GNR really were and what they meant to the music world. The music world foams when they think a GNR reunion could be in the works.

Say you are dating a 6 who is ok in bed. You then date a 9 or 10 that is great in bed. Afterwards, hooking up with a 6 is going to seem like a 4 or less in contrast. In contrast, nugnr shows after people see what could be the biggest rock reunion generation X could witness will not have the same, "let's go see Axl!" appeal that the nugnr shows have now. Will people show up? Of course. But every show will be a let down with people wondering why they are getting a McDonald's fish sandwich when Lobster and crab is what they really want.

Can't comment on the internet reaction to a Kiss reunion as I don't follow the band but it could be that they have never stopped touring.

And no offense taken but I did see original Guns live in 87 and 88 and again during the UYI tours so I know how big they were back then but let's be honest Axl let his fan base slowly die so while I do believe a reunion will be a huge draw I don't see people getting worked up if it is a one and done and Axl decides to go out with a NGuns again.

Just look back at how crazy people were over the hall of fame induction. The fan base is still there. They just aren't hanging around for the Axl orchestra.

[Bobbo]

Think about it.... if and when Axl does a reunion with the old band, there will be no going back. It's not as if Axl can do a reunion tour with Slash and Duff and then go back to Fortus and Tommy and expect people to buy both bands as Guns N Roses.

Hypothetical situation... Axl releases a statement announcing that he will be releasing CD2 under another band name (Stay of Execution perhaps?). This would be the best of both worlds for Axl. He could tour the album and as he wasn't touring under the GNR name it would allow him more freedom with the setlists, he could do stuff from CD2, CD1 and perhaps throw in the odd GNR crowd-pleaser like Velvet Revolver used to do. Then if a reunion does take place, there will only be one GNR in the marketplace and if it all goes tits up (which it's bound to at some stage), Axl can go back and tour with his other band.

Add to this, the songs written for CD2 are not original GNR. Taking off Finck/BH/Ron guitar parts and replacing them with Slash and Izzy will not make them any more legitimately GNR. Any material recorded already for CD2 should be released with the musicians who created them and if original GNR want to do a reunion album they should work only on songs they wrote together or singularly.

Thoughts?

But if CD is GNR, why should axl be releasing CDII under a new name? Makes no sense.

I think people are reading too much into what Slash said. They're speaking to dispell all the negative stuff, copyright issues mostly. Axl is expecting to release CDII with 1996/Slash seeds songs next year, and maybe a bit more. Then touring the world with Dizzy, Pitman, Richard, Tommy, Frank... Slash is planning on releasing a solo album next year, then touring the world with Myles.

Better chance on Robin or even Paul Tobias coming back next year than Slash.

Because it would be rectifying what is nearly universally seen as a gigantic mistake. Most among the industry and casuals thought CD should have been released as a solo album, or at the very least, another band name. Adding fuel to the fire isn't gonna help Axl any. Reunion or no reunion, I think most of the industry would actually shine a positive light on Axl if he finally just called a spade a spade and stopped pretending something else is something it clearly isn't.

And classic, I agree with much of what you say on a regular basis, but I think you're wrong on this one man. The public lost interest in Gnr because the band fell apart, and Axl was unable to make a creative impact with his bastardized version. The real band was still playing stadiums at the end of their tenure ffs. The public *tolerates* nu guns only as a decent tribute band and nothing more. And that's only because there's no apparent hope for a reunion, and it's the only way they can hear Axl sing the classic hits.

I think the collaborative nature of Gnr was a lot more essential to people than KISS's dynamic was. Rusty pretty much nailed it with his Aerosmith and Rolling Stones analogies. Not much more I can add to it. If Axl does go for the reunion, it has to be all or nothing. No way he can go back to nu guns being ran as "Gnr" afterwards. He's too old and torn to start fresh yet again, and there would be too severe of a backlash to endure.

[classicrawker]

Think about it.... if and when Axl does a reunion with the old band, there will be no going back. It's not as if Axl can do a reunion tour with Slash and Duff and then go back to Fortus and Tommy and expect people to buy both bands as Guns N Roses.

Hypothetical situation... Axl releases a statement announcing that he will be releasing CD2 under another band name (Stay of Execution perhaps?). This would be the best of both worlds for Axl. He could tour the album and as he wasn't touring under the GNR name it would allow him more freedom with the setlists, he could do stuff from CD2, CD1 and perhaps throw in the odd GNR crowd-pleaser like Velvet Revolver used to do. Then if a reunion does take place, there will only be one GNR in the marketplace and if it all goes tits up (which it's bound to at some stage), Axl can go back and tour with his other band.

Add to this, the songs written for CD2 are not original GNR. Taking off Finck/BH/Ron guitar parts and replacing them with Slash and Izzy will not make them any more legitimately GNR. Any material recorded already for CD2 should be released with the musicians who created them and if original GNR want to do a reunion album they should work only on songs they wrote together or singularly.

Thoughts?

But if CD is GNR, why should axl be releasing CDII under a new name? Makes no sense.

I think people are reading too much into what Slash said. They're speaking to dispell all the negative stuff, copyright issues mostly. Axl is expecting to release CDII with 1996/Slash seeds songs next year, and maybe a bit more. Then touring the world with Dizzy, Pitman, Richard, Tommy, Frank... Slash is planning on releasing a solo album next year, then touring the world with Myles.

Better chance on Robin or even Paul Tobias coming back next year than Slash.

Because it would be rectifying what is nearly universally seen as a gigantic mistake. Most among the industry and casuals thought CD should have been released as a solo album, or at the very least, another band name. Adding fuel to the fire isn't gonna help Axl any. Reunion or no reunion, I think most of the industry would actually shine a positive light on Axl if he finally just called a spade a spade and stopped pretending something else is something it clearly isn't.

And classic, I agree with much of what you say on a regular basis, but I think you're wrong on this one man. The public lost interest in Gnr because the band fell apart, and Axl was unable to make a creative impact with his bastardized version. The real band was still playing stadiums at the end of their tenure ffs. The public *tolerates* nu guns only as a decent tribute band and nothing more. And that's only because there's no apparent hope for a reunion, and it's the only way they can hear Axl sing the classic hits.

I think the collaborative nature of Gnr was a lot more essential to people than KISS's dynamic was. Rusty pretty much nailed it with his Aerosmith and Rolling Stones analogies. Not much more I can add to it. If Axl does go for the reunion, it has to be all or nothing. No way he can go back to nu guns being ran as "Gnr" afterwards. He's too old and torn to start fresh yet again, and there would be too severe of a backlash to endure.

Well hopefully we will get the chance to see who is correct someday.

[wasted]

My guess is Slash, Duff, Izzy join for the tour but Axl releases CD II which may have an Izzy song or Slash riff on it. We get the reunion tour and a couple new songs, they may even add parts/songs on the record before it's release after touring. They could tour until 2020, then release the record just before Rock in Rio 2021.

[Intercourse]

Axl should open the vault to Slash & Duff and let them work on his own personally written tunes.

Those boys work fast and that could deliver 5-6 tunes in a couple of months.

Slash and the old band have reams of recordings done with Izzy and Corey so there's a wealth of material to share.

[DR DOOM]

I think you are over thinking this Rusty. Like I said other bands have done this, including Kiss, and never missed a beat.

GnR is just not that high profile anymore where I think it makes a difference.

I don't get the appeal of KISS and don't agree with the comparison. The impact the bands made were much different in contrast. When original KISS comes up, the internet doesn't nearly blow up like it does when GNR reunion rumors start.

GNR were on the scale of Aerosmith, Zeppelin and possibly the Stones.

Tyler/Perry = Plant/Page = Jagger/Richards = Axl/Slash > Simmons/Stanley.

No offense but sometimes I wonder if some people even remember how big GNR really were and what they meant to the music world. The music world foams when they think a GNR reunion could be in the works.

No offense but KISS were fucking HUGE in the mid-late 70's and inspired so many future bands and artists, really.

When they got Ace and Peter back and put the makeup on again in 96 it was a big fucking deal, they did monstrous business.

They've since diluted that by not going away since and only having half the original lineup.

Speaking from my head and not my heart, I would put my money on KISS being more influential and a bigger deal than GNR.

[Rovim]

I think you are over thinking this Rusty. Like I said other bands have done this, including Kiss, and never missed a beat.

GnR is just not that high profile anymore where I think it makes a difference.

I don't get the appeal of KISS and don't agree with the comparison. The impact the bands made were much different in contrast. When original KISS comes up, the internet doesn't nearly blow up like it does when GNR reunion rumors start.

GNR were on the scale of Aerosmith, Zeppelin and possibly the Stones.

Tyler/Perry = Plant/Page = Jagger/Richards = Axl/Slash > Simmons/Stanley.

No offense but sometimes I wonder if some people even remember how big GNR really were and what they meant to the music world. The music world foams when they think a GNR reunion could be in the works.

No offense but KISS were fucking HUGE in the mid-late 70's and inspired so many future bands and artists, really.

When they got Ace and Peter back and put the makeup on again in 96 it was a big fucking deal, they did monstrous business.

They've since diluted that by not going away since and only having half the original lineup.

Speaking from my head and not my heart, I would put my money on KISS being more influential and a bigger deal than GNR.

Ace is my favorite and I like Peter as well. Kiss Alive and Destroyer, their debut, Love Gun. All great albums and they've made like...7 or 8 albums I can listen to and enjoy. Maybe more.

I think Kiss was bigger compared to old Guns.

[DR DOOM]

The best KISS video ever

[DieselDaisy]

I think you are over thinking this Rusty. Like I said other bands have done this, including Kiss, and never missed a beat.

GnR is just not that high profile anymore where I think it makes a difference.

I don't get the appeal of KISS and don't agree with the comparison. The impact the bands made were much different in contrast. When original KISS comes up, the internet doesn't nearly blow up like it does when GNR reunion rumors start.

GNR were on the scale of Aerosmith, Zeppelin and possibly the Stones.

Tyler/Perry = Plant/Page = Jagger/Richards = Axl/Slash > Simmons/Stanley.

No offense but sometimes I wonder if some people even remember how big GNR really were and what they meant to the music world. The music world foams when they think a GNR reunion could be in the works.

No offense but KISS were fucking HUGE in the mid-late 70's and inspired so many future bands and artists, really.

When they got Ace and Peter back and put the makeup on again in 96 it was a big fucking deal, they did monstrous business.

They've since diluted that by not going away since and only having half the original lineup.

Speaking from my head and not my heart, I would put my money on KISS being more influential and a bigger deal than GNR.

True. Just about every rock/metal artist from the United States, of a certain generation, cites them as an influence. Off the top of my head I can name Dimebag, Bumblefoot and Adler. You could make an argument that Kiss instigated, for better or worse, the entire hair rock scene, e.g. Van Halen, Crue, Poison.