GNR Women's discussion

[nn18]

3 hours ago, hair of the dog said:

Here you are.

Look at Duff´s face when Axl explains his relationship with TB.

5:58

The sound he makes when he imitates the whipping he gets from TB....

Adorable 

Edited September 8, 2016 by nn18

[Blackstar]

Omg, I didn't see this coming. Axl didn't really say much, but it seems it was enough to piss Izzy off. The best and smartest answer would have been "we talked with Izzy, but we weren't able to reach an agreement"

4 hours ago, Lumikki said:

#Team No Fucking One. They're all idiots (but what else is new).

THIS. it's Team No one to me too, at least for now; I'll be waiting for the full story from the other side, but even then I'll probably not pick sides.

And yeah, they have always been assholes. Their history says it all. Axl had attempted to reduce Izzy's royalties, because "Izzy wasn't doing his job". It was a shitty move on Axl's part, but there's a question whether it was solely Axl's thing or there was at least consent from Slash and Duff about that; I'm not sure if the status of the band at that time would allow Axl to do such a thing all by himself. At the same time frame (it's not clear if it was a little before or a little after), Izzy had suggested that Axl should be fined because "he wasn't doing his job" (he was late, he had been walking off stage etc) and apparently he had been outvoted. Also apparently Izzy didn't sign the contract that would demote his position and Axl didn't push things. Then Izzy left and Axl was crying about it. Go figure...

3 hours ago, Lumikki said:

 

And because "Izzy is family" ( lol GNR camp), he gets to be featured 4 times in this crappy doodle

Out of likes. Look what an inspiration this band is to its really talented fans! This is so amazing

Edited September 8, 2016 by Blackstar

[giuls]

20 minutes ago, killuridols said:

That interview is full of lies from start to end

Well, that's a bit of a strecht, in what way they lied? Axl said he doesn't know about Izzy because they negotiated and it didn't work out and Izzy said he didn't work out because of the money, for all we know Izzy said something encouraging that implied he was on  but at the end went "You know what? I want the same money as you" and we have no way to even suspect they lied about the other answers 

 

I love the drama, thou, my other band of my heart works through the conflicts and resolve them like adults sooner or later, GNR is the band that feed my drama llama, thank you guys 

Edited September 8, 2016 by giuls

[annablue]

17 hours ago, Padme said:

You know Betsy? Where is she now? I haven't heard of her in ages. I used to be close with her

I don't know her, just brought up her name for those that might have remembered her. You should try to persuade her to come to this forum! If she's anything like most of us with old hotmail accounts, she probably still has hers.

[MillionsOfSpiders]

6 minutes ago, giuls said:

Well, that's a bit of a strecht, in what way they lied? Axl said he doesn't know about Izzy because they negotiated and it didn't work out and Izzy said he didn't work out because of the money, for all we know Izzy said something encouraging that implied he was on  but at the end went "You know what? I want the same money as you" and we have no way to even suspect they lied about the other answers 

 

I love the drama, thou, my other band of my heart works through the conflicts and resolve them like adults sooner or later, GNR is the band that feed my drama llama, thank you guys 

Who's that? The stones? 

Mick Jagger is a total tyrant 

[Andy14]

"If you got the money, honey, We got your disease"

Remember this day ladies (and gentlemen), the day when the most honest and selfless member of Guns N'Roses is Mr. Steven Adler.

We should hold a moment of silence for this. 

[SerenityScorp]

Previously on GN'R...

 

3 hours ago, hair of the dog said:

N' so the drama continues

 

 

[Blackstar]

12 minutes ago, MillionsOfSpiders said:

19 minutes ago, giuls said:

I love the drama, thou, my other band of my heart works through the conflicts and resolve them like adults sooner or later, GNR is the band that feed my drama llama, thank you guys 

Who's that? The stones? 

Mick Jagger is a total tyrant 

Keith Richards knew something when he told Slash "there is one thing you don't do; you never leave the band"

Tom Maher, a manager once connected with the band, told me how he organised for the group to be counselled by their peers: Keith Richards and Aerosmith's Steven Tyler. 'But even that didn't work out.' Maher laughed loudly, remembering the incredulity of having Richards and Tyler take on the guise of peacekeepers. 'I mean, if you're not gonna listen to Keith or Steve, who are you gonna listen to?'

http://www.gnrevolution.com/viewtopic.php?id=3423

Apparently Keith's role was to talk sense into Slash and Steven Tyler tried to do the same with Axl, but...

[Mararoyce]

11 hours ago, stella said:

Actually, it was more that Izzy left because he didn't like the new terms that the band- NOT Axl on his own, and NOBODY has ever accused Axl of doing it alone - presented him with, that said that if he wasn't going to do videos or do as much work as everyone else, he wasn't going to get paid as much. Which is fair.

Izzy had no right to be paid what Axl, Slash and Duff were paid for this tour. Did he put it together? Did he keep GnR in the public eye over the past 25 years? ASD all played GnR songs at their shows and managed the merch and song catalogue. Did he? Did Izzy do a damn thing to manage or put together this tour? There's no justification anywhere for giving him the same salary. If he'd felt that he was screwed over in terms of the licensing/rights/etc. he could have sued for a piece of it, and he never did.

I wonder how the Stones worked out thier $ division. Keith Richards doesn't move around the stage like Mick, does that mean he gets less?

[Padme]

56 minutes ago, killuridols said:

omfg @Lumikki I need that painting as a poster to hang in my office cardboard and look at it every time something bad goes wrong. I've been laughing for 20 minutes here   

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Im not anyone's team either. They are all assholes and LIARS 

That interview is full of lies from start to end. In some ways, I'm glad Izzy stepped out and ruined it. This tour was getting too boring.

Even though Izzy puts the money issue as the main reason why he's not with them, I think there are more than that behind the scenes.

Yes I'm also LMAO!!!  That paiting belongs in the Izzy thread in GN'R discussion section #Izzyisfamily 

[SerenityScorp]

12 minutes ago, Blackstar said:

Keith Richards knew something when he told Slash "there is one thing you don't do; you never leave the band"

Tom Maher, a manager once connected with the band, told me how he organised for the group to be counselled by their peers: Keith Richards and Aerosmith's Steven Tyler. 'But even that didn't work out.' Maher laughed loudly, remembering the incredulity of having Richards and Tyler take on the guise of peacekeepers. 'I mean, if you're not gonna listen to Keith or Steve, who are you gonna listen to?'

http://www.gnrevolution.com/viewtopic.php?id=3423

Apparently Keith's role was to talk sense into Slash and Steven Tyler tried to do the same with Axl, but...

Only Duff who can do tht to Them

 

[Andy14]

#TeamSteven

 

(just kidding )

[killuridols]

They are all liars. And period.

[SerenityScorp]

1 minute ago, Andy14 said:

#TeamSteven

 

(just kidding )

[Frey]

4 hours ago, Lumikki said:

 

This whole situation sucks. So I just made someting really dumb inspired by the comments in this thread lol. (Because what else are you supposed to do when the carpenter is late? Clearly hanging out on mygnr and doodling silly things in MS Paint is the most sensible and productive thing to do.)

Should have painted money trees instead of avocado trees though, considering recent events

 

And because "Izzy is family" ( lol GNR camp), he gets to be featured 4 times in this crappy doodle

 

LOL Angus is even tinier than Steve the dog

 

20 minutes ago, Blackstar said:

Keith Richards knew something when he told Slash "there is one thing you don't do; you never leave the band"

Tom Maher, a manager once connected with the band, told me how he organised for the group to be counselled by their peers: Keith Richards and Aerosmith's Steven Tyler. 'But even that didn't work out.' Maher laughed loudly, remembering the incredulity of having Richards and Tyler take on the guise of peacekeepers. 'I mean, if you're not gonna listen to Keith or Steve, who are you gonna listen to?'

http://www.gnrevolution.com/viewtopic.php?id=3423

Apparently Keith's role was to talk sense into Slash and Steven Tyler tried to do the same with Axl, but...

Wow they got Keith Richards and Steven Tyler to talk sense into them and it still didn't leave an impression

Maybe they should have gotten them a therapist, like Metallica.

Reminds me of Axl saying they'd need a child psychiatrist in an old interview.

I never understood why he said "child psychiatrist" (since 20- something year old guys generally don't think of themselves as children), but it seems like he was on to something, considering we're still dealing with ridiculous childish drama 30 years later.

 

[giuls]

51 minutes ago, MillionsOfSpiders said:

Who's that? The stones? 

Mick Jagger is a total tyrant 

Not really, the band works as a board, they vote for every important issue and the majority win, Keith never miss a meeting, even the "boring" ones if you believe Prince Rupert who was the band's financial advisor for many years, sure, Mick is the one that does the "every-day bussiness" but it's because the others don't wanna do it, for example, if you read the book about the Stones Tour Party by Robert Greenfield, the author was actually hired by the band but there was never a contract in place because of various problems that the band didn't care enough to resolve, when Robert tried to talk about it with Keith, Keith kept referring him to Mick because he didn't want to deal with it and this was in 72, now, he wants to deal with this kind of shit even less.

if they want they can decide with Mick even the little things, Charlie has input on the stage because he actually shows up at the reunion with Mick when it's time to decide how the stage's gonna look like, for example 

It was said a million time by different people that "things go down how Mick wants unless Keith is there, if there's Keith Mick ask what Keith wants" and Keith, like i said before, is always there for issues he cares about, fun fact, Mick actually asked if he could have more money than the rest of the band because he ACTUALLY does more work, he's the one that put together the tours, the rest didn't think it was right and that's it, Mick get paid like the rest.

There's a little of dictatorship when talking about the song writing, true, but that's both Mick and Keith's doing, when the others asked if they could work on one of their song, both the twins said "no dice, we have a lot of our song and we are working on them".

 

@Mararoyce the four members get paid the same per tour.

ETA: The dictonomy "Jagger the tyrant, Richards the free spirit" is a narrative build by the band because it sells and Mick gives 0 fucks to be viewed as the bad guy as long as it works but if you actually read biographies and interviews, the image comes out different, Mick gives a lot of power to Keith in particular and Keith likes to have his grip on The Stones on the shit he cares about.

Edited September 8, 2016 by giuls

[annablue]

Hmm so Del James and Richard Fortus follow Izzy on Twitter but Slash/Duff don't (and as far as I can tell they follow everyone) will see if that changes in the next day or so 

Edited September 8, 2016 by annablue

[SerenityScorp]

17 minutes ago, annablue said:

Hmm so Del James and Richard Fortus follow Izzy on Twitter but Slash/Duff don't (and as far as I can tell they follow everyone) will see if that changes in the next day or so 

Well I guess Richard follows Everyone in the Band

Did He ever meet Matt N' Gilby?

Edited September 8, 2016 by SerenityScorp

[Blackstar]

30 minutes ago, Frey said:

LOL Angus is even tinier than Steve the dog

 

Wow they got Keith Richards and Steven Tyler to talk sense into them and it still didn't leave an impression

Maybe they should have gotten them a therapist, like Metallica.

Reminds me of Axl saying they'd need a child psychiatrist in an old interview.

I never understood why he said "child psychiatrist" (since 20- something year old guys generally don't think of themselves as children), but it seems like he was on to something, considering we're still dealing with ridiculous childish drama 30 years later.

 

Axl had referred to "the child in him" a couple of times and he had said that he was fixated at the age of 2 due to childhood trauma. It seems that he thought at least of himself as a child, so it isn't so odd that he would prefer a child psychiatrist

Edited September 8, 2016 by Blackstar

[annablue]

5 minutes ago, SerenityScorp said:

Well I guess Richard follows Everyone in the Band

Did He ever meet Matt N' Gilby?

 

[annablue]

Unrelated to recent Izzy meltdown...look how handsome Duff looks here! Reminiscent of David Bowie's style

[tiutso]

33 minutes ago, Frey said:

Maybe they should have gotten them a therapist, like Metallica.

Metallica got themselves a fucking therapist? 

34 minutes ago, giuls said:

Not really, the band works as a board, they vote for every important issue and the majority win, Keith never miss a meeting, even the "boring" ones if you believe Prince Rupert who was the band's financial advisor for many years, sure, Mick is the one that does the "every-day bussiness" but it's because the others don't wanna do it, for example, if you read the book about the Stones Tour Party by Robert Greenfield, the author was actually hired by the band but there was never a contract in place because of various problems that the band didn't care enough to resolve, when Robert tried to talk about it with Keith, Keith kept referring him to Mick because he didn't want to deal with it and this was in 72, now, he wants to deal with this kind of shit even less.

That's a fucking mess of a sentence, no offence 

[SerenityScorp]

4 minutes ago, annablue said:

 

I mean Richard Fortus 

Since You said Richard follows Izzy on twitter, I want to say it didnt mean anything cause Richard follows almost all GN'R Members.

I'm asking if He ever meet Gilby N' Matt before cause He follows Them on twitter?

[Frey]

10 minutes ago, tiutso said:

Metallica got themselves a fucking therapist? 

And they made a DVD out of it. Have you never heard of "Some kind of Monster"? It's a widely ridiculed little movie.

I thought it was interesting and quite hilarious in parts though lol.

 

18 minutes ago, Blackstar said:

Axl had referred to "the child in him" a couple of times and he had said that he was fixated at the age of 2 due to childhood trauma. It seems that he thought at least of himself as a child, so it isn't so odd that he would prefer a child psychiatrist

I know, but the way I remember it that was a really early interview, from 87 or 88 maybe.

So way before he got into the whole regression therapy thing and everything.

Which is why I was surprised, because back then he still seemed pretty intent on appearing tough and macho.

But apparently thought a child psychiatrist would be best suited for the band lol.

And yeah, considering what you said it isn't too odd he would prefer a child psychiatrist and at this point I wouldn't even care anymore. It wouldn't even register on the GNR/AXL wirdness scale and it would still be better than Yoda or TB or whatever.

Edited September 8, 2016 by Frey

[Blackstar]

1 minute ago, Frey said:

And they made a DVD out of it. Have you never heard of "Some kind of Monster"? It's a widely ridiculed little movie.

I thought it was interesting and quite hilarious in parts though lol.

 

I know, but the way I remember it that was a really early interview, from 87 or 88 maybe.

So way before he got into the whole regression therapy thing and everything.

Which is why I was surprised, because back then he still seemed pretty intent on appearing tough and macho.

But apparently thought a child psychiatrist would be best suited for the band lol.

And yeah, considering what you said it isn't too odd he would prefer a chilod psychiatrist and at this point I don't even care anymore. It wouldn't even register on the GNR/AXL wirdness scale and it would still be better than Yoda or TB or whatever.

I think GnR would need all kinds of specialists and counselors (a general therapist, a child psychiatrist, a marriage counselor, friends, other musicians...) and it still wouldn't be enough