DieselDaisy Posted August 9, 2016 Share Posted August 9, 2016 7 minutes ago, PappyTron said: Convicted of it, yes, but he wasn't even there. Manson has never killed anyone by his own hand. He killed one person apparently. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PappyTron Posted August 9, 2016 Share Posted August 9, 2016 Just now, DieselDaisy said: He killed one person apparently. Possibly, but was never convicted for it, or have it be proved. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Len Cnut Posted August 9, 2016 Share Posted August 9, 2016 (edited) 20 minutes ago, PappyTron said: Convicted of it, yes, but he wasn't even there. Manson has never killed anyone by his own hand. Was he not there with Shea, the other ones, famous Tate La Bianca ones he werent there for, the cutting off of Gary Hinmans ear he did though he weren't there for his death but Shorty Shea he was an active part of his beheading, was he not? I might be mistaken, my recollection of the details is vague. Edited August 9, 2016 by Len B'stard Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PappyTron Posted August 9, 2016 Share Posted August 9, 2016 3 minutes ago, Len B'stard said: Was he not there with Shea, the other ones, famous Tate La Bianca ones he werent there for, the cutting off of Gary Hinmans ear he did though he weren't there for his death but Shorty Shea he was an active part of his beheading, was he not? He was there are the Shea killing, but I don't think that he actually struck any blows; he just pushed his followers to do the deed. Morally, and legally, Manson is on the hook for the murder just as much as those that actually killed Shea, but Manson didn't actually kill anyone per say. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Len Cnut Posted August 9, 2016 Share Posted August 9, 2016 Just now, PappyTron said: He was there are the Shea killing, but I don't think that he actually struck any blows; he just pushed his followers to do the deed. Morally, and legally, Manson is on the hook for the murder just as much as those that actually killed Shea, but Manson didn't actually kill anyone per say. Little pussyholes a two slap job anyway, whoose he gonna kill? . He wanted to do my boy Steve McQueen back in the day, I'd've liked to see him try. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieselDaisy Posted August 9, 2016 Share Posted August 9, 2016 Manson must have been a gigantic poofta to want to kill a woman like Sharon Tate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PappyTron Posted August 9, 2016 Share Posted August 9, 2016 1 minute ago, Len B'stard said: Little pussyholes a two slap job anyway, whoose he gonna kill? . He wanted to do my boy Steve McQueen back in the day, I'd've liked to see him try. Why do the heavy lifting yourself? That's what flunkies and minions are for. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Len Cnut Posted August 9, 2016 Share Posted August 9, 2016 1 minute ago, DieselDaisy said: Manson must have been a gigantic poofta to want to kill a woman like Sharon Tate. I dont think he knew she was in there and particularly targetted her, it was just a house where little parties for the famous took place. Jay Sebring was a mate of Steve McQueens and he was gonna be there too but couldn't be bothered at the last minute. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieselDaisy Posted August 9, 2016 Share Posted August 9, 2016 Total cock. 'Helter Skelter' - jesus. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Len Cnut Posted August 9, 2016 Share Posted August 9, 2016 3 minutes ago, DieselDaisy said: Total cock. 'Helter Skelter' - jesus. He had a intepretation behind nigh on every last bastard song on the white album yknow, the mad cunt. 9 minutes ago, PappyTron said: Why do the heavy lifting yourself? That's what flunkies and minions are for. Spoken like a true Hoogenstratenite Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PappyTron Posted August 9, 2016 Share Posted August 9, 2016 2 minutes ago, Len B'stard said: He had a intepretation behind nigh on every last bastard song on the white album yknow, the mad cunt. Spoken like a true Hoogenstratenite Flunkies are great for scaring rivals, throwing hand grenades through windows and general winkling. I highly recommend them for tasks great and small. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Len Cnut Posted August 9, 2016 Share Posted August 9, 2016 Just now, PappyTron said: Flunkies are great for scaring rivals, throwing hand grenades through windows and general winkling. I highly recommend them for tasks great and small. As Mr Ali discovered to his peril Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieselDaisy Posted August 9, 2016 Share Posted August 9, 2016 Even Ob-Li-Di-Ob-La-Da? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PappyTron Posted August 9, 2016 Share Posted August 9, 2016 1 minute ago, Len B'stard said: As Mr Ali discovered to his peril 100% an accident. He pulled the trigger himself, the clumsy oaf. The boys just went around to borrow a cup of sugar, and the dozey plonker only went and did himself in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Len Cnut Posted August 9, 2016 Share Posted August 9, 2016 Just now, PappyTron said: 100% an accident. He pulled the trigger himself, the clumsy oaf. The boys just went around to borrow a cup of sugar, and the dozey plonker only went and did himself in. Just happened to be popping over for a coupla lumps when Mr Ali, who happened to be involved in a business dispute with him, happened to be fucking himself off Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PappyTron Posted August 9, 2016 Share Posted August 9, 2016 10 minutes ago, Len B'stard said: Just happened to be popping over for a coupla lumps when Mr Ali, who happened to be involved in a business dispute with him, happened to be fucking himself off Exactly. They tried to talk him down, but to no avail; he was just too determined to stab, beat and shoot himself to death. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Len Cnut Posted August 9, 2016 Share Posted August 9, 2016 9 minutes ago, PappyTron said: Exactly. They tried to talk him down, but to no avail; he was just too determined to stab, beat and shoot himself to death. These Asians, they dont handle pressure well, do they? Whether of business or of repeated blows to the crannium! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-W.A.R- Posted August 9, 2016 Share Posted August 9, 2016 (edited) 2 hours ago, DieselDaisy said: Manson must have been a gigantic poofta to want to kill a woman like Sharon Tate. Sharon described him as a "creepy little man" he had no chance anyway Manson didn't give a fuck honestly. if Roman/Sharon picked another house they would be alive and whoever rented that place would be dead. that place probably represented failure to him. as far as Helter Skelter, Charlie says the song never meant anything to him and that Bugliosi just made that his "trip". Edited August 9, 2016 by -W.A.R- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spliff Posted August 9, 2016 Share Posted August 9, 2016 His son used to date my friends sister. He was pretty cool from the few times I talked to him.. never asked about his pops though. Quote Richard Leonard Kuklinski (April 11, 1935 – March 5, 2006) was an American contract killer who was convicted for five murders. Kuklinski was given the nickname "Iceman" for his method of freezing a victim to mask the time of death. During his criminal career, fellow mobsters called Kuklinski "the one-man army" or "the devil himself"[3] due to his fearsome reputation and imposing physique of 6'5" (196 cm) and 270 pounds (122 kg). Kuklinski lived with his wife and children in the suburb of Dumont, New Jersey. His family was apparently unaware of Kuklinski'sdouble life and crimes.[4] A New Jersey Police task force was formed after Kuklinski was suspected of two murders. An eighteen month long undercover investigation led to his arrest in 1986. He was sentenced to life imprisonment in 1988. By the early to mid-1980s, Kuklinski was involved in narcotics, pornography, arms dealing, money laundering, hijacking and contract killing on a global basis. While his range of criminal activities expanded, he began to make mistakes. Though Kuklinski killed anyone who could testify against him, he got sloppy about disposing of his victims. Law enforcement began to suspect Kuklinski and started an investigation, gathering evidenceabout the various crimes he had committed.[5] Kuklinski was a contract killer for Newark's DeCavalcante crime family and New York City's Five Families of the American Mafia. After his murder convictions, Kuklinski took part in a number of interviews during which he claimed to have murdered from over 100[6] to 250 men between 1948 and 1986, though his recollection of events sometimes varied. Though some have expressed skepticism about the extent of Kuklinski's alleged murders, police are confident in their belief that he was a serial killer who killed at least several dozen people both at the behest of organized crime bosses and on his own initiative.[3] Many of Kuklinski's claims were substantiated by author Phillip Carlo in over 240 hours of interviews and via the dozens of cases Kuklinski helped New Jersey police clear after his incarceration. Three documentaries, two biographies and a feature film have been produced on Kuklinski based on his interviews and the results of the task force that brought Kuklinski to justice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Len Cnut Posted August 9, 2016 Share Posted August 9, 2016 (edited) 1 hour ago, -W.A.R- said: Sharon described him as a "creepy little man" he had no chance anyway Manson didn't give a fuck honestly. if Roman/Sharon picked another house they would be alive and whoever rented that place would be dead. that place probably represented failure to him. as far as Helter Skelter, Charlie says the song never meant anything to him and that Bugliosi just made that his "trip". Bugliosi made that his trip based on the testimony of his 'family', his family who initially defended him. I don't think Charlie was mad or is mad as much as he makes out, he's just an institutionalised oppertunist and he used that Helter Skelter shit and all of those fuckin' weird tactics of play acting and all that shit to get those people to follow him, to bolster his ego, to have these little minions running around for him. I don't think he seriously believed any of that shit, from the race revolution etc etc but the climate that existed at the time, plus the drugs, all contributed to a climate of confusion and paranoia that led to all this shit kicking off. Basically Charlie was a pimp, and a pimps job, lowlife little weasels that they are, is basically blagging. Blagging all these young innocent and impressionable girls into doing their bidding for them, now in an era like the 60s there were a lot of 'innocent' boys and girls coming down from the suburbs into the fray and it ain't hard to transfer those same skills from manipulating young girls to getting young thick boys in too, with all that flower power hippie peace and love bullshit, you just draw em in, it ain't no fuckin' mind control, it ain't him being a genius, it's just simple pimp shit. Listen to the testimony of all the girls, all these runaway girls and he's dropping these lines on em like 'you're so beautiful, does your mother know how beautiful you are?' and they'd just be like 'no one up until that point had told me i was beautiful and yes, i had had problems with my mother, she never loved me, she ignored me, omg, it's like he looked right into my soul and knew me the minute he looked at me' and all this bullshit, it's just preying on girls who have these issues, there's nothing genius about that shit, it's just cheap old fashioned pimp shit laid on girls from the suburbs who ain't wise to it, any clued up girl or boy would see him coming a mile off. Shit, there's people in Liverpool and Manchester doing that shit right now 'oh you're so beautiful and i love you and you're the only girl for me' which two days later turns into 'i'm really stressed out, i got all these gambling debts and i can't pay these guys off, you love me don't you? would you do something for me? I'm really hard up, i hate to do this to you, the idea makes me sick' etc etc and before you know she's shagging blokes 10 a day for ya from some dingy little room above a shop somewhere. Quite frankly the dumb bastard could've EASILY gotten away with the murderstoo, EASILY. All he had to do was shut his fuckin' mouth and get those fuckin' family members to take the rap and he was away and free. But he couldn't cuz, egomaniac that he was, he started all that court shennanigans and ended up fucking himself. Even if they didn't take the rap, they had to prove he had done the fuckin' murders, that he was there, the entire defence was centred around him being a cult leader and he basically laid it on a plate for them by the way he acted. I mean he tried to stab the judge with a fuckin' pencil, you think that dickheads gonna get let off? They had to prove he was some hippie cult leader and told these kids to do that shit and he played right into their hands by acting exactly that. All he had to do was shut the fuck up, quite fuckingg rambling and babbling, sit back and go 'i dunno what the fuck this is all about, yeah we lived on this ranch but i was just one of em, just a bunch of hippies doing the free love thing, i don't know what all these lot did at the night of those murders but i was doing 'x' ' and he would've been well away. But like all these fuckin' nutbags he was an egomaniac first and foremost and just wanted to make himself out to be Mr Big Dick and he got his just desserts for it. Edited August 9, 2016 by Len B'stard Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Len Cnut Posted August 9, 2016 Share Posted August 9, 2016 4 minutes ago, spliff said: His son used to date my friends sister. He was pretty cool from the few times I talked to him.. never asked about his pops though. Another fuckin' weenie, just invented this whole life for him where he did like hundreds of murders, none of which could even be substantiated. These guys crack me up Didn't he claim to have killed Jimmy Hoffa too? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
john lennon Posted August 9, 2016 Author Share Posted August 9, 2016 3 hours ago, PappyTron said: Convicted of it, yes, but he wasn't even there. Manson has never killed anyone by his own hand. He only tied em up, didn't he? But that would make him a part of it, right? So technically he never killed anyone but he helped making the killing possible. Fuck, I'm rambling. I should leave and come back when my brain don't feel like cotton candy. It's a shame Manson became the twisted fuck he is instead of pursuing a career in music. I love his shit but that's sorta fucked cos of who he is, yeah? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
john lennon Posted August 9, 2016 Author Share Posted August 9, 2016 All this Manson shit makes me wanna start a cult Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Len Cnut Posted August 9, 2016 Share Posted August 9, 2016 3 minutes ago, john lennon said: He only tied em up, didn't he? But that would make him a part of it, right? So technically he never killed anyone but he helped making the killing possible. Fuck, I'm rambling. I should leave and come back when my brain don't feel like cotton candy. It's a shame Manson became the twisted fuck he is instead of pursuing a career in music. I love his shit but that's sorta fucked cos of who he is, yeah? I dont think hes particularly good musically either, yeah he can ramble well to a couple of chords, thinking up neat words to tie together but have you ever heard a fully formed well put together song by him? Or any sense of melody? He's just learned to babble to simple rhythms, being locked up in the shithouse will do that to ya. 2 minutes ago, john lennon said: All this Manson shit makes me wanna start a cult Watch TV Evangelists, they're like a How To book for that shit Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
john lennon Posted August 9, 2016 Author Share Posted August 9, 2016 4 minutes ago, Len B'stard said: I dont think hes particularly good musically either, yeah he can ramble well to a couple of chords, thinking up neat words to tie together but have you ever heard a fully formed well put together song by him? Or any sense of melody? He's just learned to babble to simple rhythms, being locked up in the shithouse will do that to ya. You're right but that's why I like his shit so Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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