DieselDaisy Posted June 25, 2019 Share Posted June 25, 2019 2 minutes ago, SoulMonster said: I assume Boris Johnson (or whoever) will make an effort to arrive at some good deal (he bloody well have to :D), even if the Eu claims negotiations are over (negotiations are never over, claiming they are is part of the negotiations). Regardless, in the end up you put whatever deal you have on the ballot (whether that is just what May achieved or whether it is something better negotiated afterwards). Boris, so he claims, is willing to depart on 31st October without a deal, and is willing to retain the £39 billion, the so-called ''divorce bill'', in that eventuality. The EU, and heads of member states, have been very unified and adamant on this, ''no re-negotiation'' line throughout, https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-news-latest-theresa-may-no-deal-eu-exit-a8968756.html https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/may/24/eu-leaders-stress-respect-for-may-and-refusal-to-renegotiate-brexit-deal Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Padme Posted June 26, 2019 Share Posted June 26, 2019 Between a rock and a hard place https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/jun/26/labour-working-class-heartlands-remain-brexit https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/jun/26/corbyn-aides-want-brexit-no-matter-what-says-margaret-beckett Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieselDaisy Posted June 26, 2019 Share Posted June 26, 2019 9 hours ago, Padme said: Between a rock and a hard place https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/jun/26/labour-working-class-heartlands-remain-brexit https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/jun/26/corbyn-aides-want-brexit-no-matter-what-says-margaret-beckett Corbyn's voting record ''on Europe'' might interest you, - 1975, campaigned/voted-for Britain to leave the European Economic Community (EEC) in referendum. - 1993, Voted against the Maastricht Treaty - 2008, voted against the Lisbon Treaty on more than one occasion . - 2010, voted against the creation of the European Union’s diplomatic service. - 2011, voted for referendum on Britain’s membership of the EU, breaking the Labour whip. - 2011 opposed the creation of the EU’s European Stability Mechanism - 2012, opposed Britain’s participation in the EU’s Banking Authority. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dazey Posted June 26, 2019 Share Posted June 26, 2019 27 minutes ago, DieselDaisy said: Corbyn's voting record ''on Europe'' might interest you, - 1975, campaigned/voted-for Britain to leave the European Economic Community (EEC) in referendum. - 1993, Voted against the Maastricht Treaty - 2008, voted against the Lisbon Treaty on more than one occasion . - 2010, voted against the creation of the European Union’s diplomatic service. - 2011, voted for referendum on Britain’s membership of the EU, breaking the Labour whip. - 2011 opposed the creation of the EU’s European Stability Mechanism - 2012, opposed Britain’s participation in the EU’s Banking Authority. Yeah he’s always been a twat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieselDaisy Posted June 26, 2019 Share Posted June 26, 2019 (edited) 9 minutes ago, Dazey said: Yeah he’s always been a twat. There are more than enough of those among remoaning celebrities. I see we can now include Brian Cox on the same list as Reggie Dwight and jug-eared Lineker following a recent outburst? That Brit pop looking science fella with the cheesy grin? He is now blocking everybody who disagrees with him. PS Spoiler I have not recovered from Bumble blocking me for arguing with him about Sky's paywalling of our beautiful sport. Utter wankstain. Edited June 26, 2019 by DieselDaisy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieselDaisy Posted June 26, 2019 Share Posted June 26, 2019 A summary of Labour's policy on the EU. https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/1145592/brexit-news-labour-jeremy-corbyn-remain-referendum-second-tory-leadership-spt 1988 is the year both parties switched their policy as, that was not only the year Jacques Delors spoke at the British Trade Union Congress (Labour) but the same year, in reply, Thatcher made her famous Bruges Speech (Conservative). Thus it could be said that both opposing parties did a volte-face in 1988, effectively switching roles ''on Europe'': Labour, hitherto the anti-European party, or in the prevalent jargon of the time ''anti-Market'', became more pro-European, and vice versa for the Conservatives, hitherto the pro-Market party becoming more Eurosceptic. Of course it wasn't as neat as that, there still remaining a sizable Europhile wing among Conservatives, e.g., those who dethroned Thatcher, and a smaller Eurosceptic wing in Labour, but I believe broadly it is true that 1988 is the seminal date. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dazey Posted June 26, 2019 Share Posted June 26, 2019 More like Little England to be fair but close enough. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieselDaisy Posted June 26, 2019 Share Posted June 26, 2019 6 minutes ago, Dazey said: More like Little England to be fair but close enough. You're the onevoting for the cunt in the wheelchair so the joke is on you haha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dazey Posted June 26, 2019 Share Posted June 26, 2019 (edited) 7 minutes ago, DieselDaisy said: You're the onevoting for the cunt in the wheelchair so the joke is on you haha Isn't it a depressing thought when I'm willing to do that because Jeremy Corbyn is THAT bad? Edited June 26, 2019 by Dazey Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieselDaisy Posted June 26, 2019 Share Posted June 26, 2019 1 minute ago, Dazey said: Isn't it a depressing thought when I'm willing to do that because Jeremy Corbyn is THAT bad? They both hate your EU also. I'm not sure which one hates it more but I'd hasten to bet Jeremy as Boris was Cameron/May-lite until the Referendum campaign. At least Corbyn has been consistent. Corbyn has had three wives because he used to ignore them, such was his obsession with politics; he'd come home late at night and sit eating a cold tin of beans in the dark haha. He is also obsessed with (and this is true) manhole covers! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dazey Posted June 26, 2019 Share Posted June 26, 2019 3 minutes ago, DieselDaisy said: They both hate your EU also. I'm not sure which one hates it more but I'd hasten to bet Jeremy as Boris was Cameron/May-lite until the Referendum campaign. At least Corbyn has been consistent. Corbyn has had three wives because he used to ignore them, such was his obsession with politics; he'd come home late at night and sit eating a cold tin of beans in the dark haha. He is also obsessed with (and this is true) manhole covers! They both hate the EU but Corbyn hates the UK as well. Bring back New Labour or give us a proper Scandiwegian system already! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieselDaisy Posted June 26, 2019 Share Posted June 26, 2019 4 minutes ago, Dazey said: They both hate the EU but Corbyn hates the UK as well. Bring back New Labour or give us a proper Scandiwegian system already! I wouldn't say he hates the UK per se, but that he would prefer it to be the ''United Socialist Republics of Great Britain'' (you can probably skip the Northern Ireland bit as he desires unification). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dazey Posted June 26, 2019 Share Posted June 26, 2019 (edited) 2 minutes ago, DieselDaisy said: I wouldn't say he hates the UK per se, but that he would prefer it to be the ''United Socialist Republics of Great Britain'' (you can probably skip the Northern Ireland bit as he desires unification). He's a glorified student union president and he's shagged Diane Abbot. I realise that this is something of a non sequitur but I felt it needed saying. Edited June 26, 2019 by Dazey Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieselDaisy Posted June 26, 2019 Share Posted June 26, 2019 19 minutes ago, Dazey said: He's a glorified student union president and he's shagged Diane Abbot. I realise that this is something of a non sequitur but I felt it needed saying. If Corbyn becomes PM, a certain MP called Ronnie Campbell will obtain a cabinet portfolio. You heard it here first. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dazey Posted June 26, 2019 Share Posted June 26, 2019 2 minutes ago, DieselDaisy said: If Corbyn becomes PM, a certain MP called Ronnie Campbell will obtain a cabinet portfolio. You heard it here first. TEAM BORIS!!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieselDaisy Posted June 26, 2019 Share Posted June 26, 2019 18 minutes ago, Dazey said: TEAM BORIS!!!!! The heir to Pitt, Gladstone and Churchill's office, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dazey Posted June 26, 2019 Share Posted June 26, 2019 (edited) 12 minutes ago, DieselDaisy said: The heir to Pitt, Gladstone and Churchill's office, Not sure which one is which. Also. That said I guess Jerry Adams has done more for Manchester than Corbyn ever has if you think about it. At least it looks better than fucking Birmingham!!!!! Edited June 26, 2019 by Dazey Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Padme Posted June 26, 2019 Share Posted June 26, 2019 35 minutes ago, Dazey said: TEAM BORIS!!!!! Do you want Brexit? Vote Brexit Party/UKIP and forget about Boris, Corbyn, etc Do you want Remain? Vote Lib. Dem/Greens That's one of the main problems. This is not about one person (Boris or Corbyn) There are others with high rank positions in both parties. And both parties are divided over Brexit. It is impossible to please everyone. Tories and Labour are a mess. We saw everything that took place in Parliament with May and her plan. Now there are other parties that have everything clear. They know what they want. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieselDaisy Posted June 27, 2019 Share Posted June 27, 2019 23 minutes ago, Dazey said: Two beardo 1970s lefties with dodgy 1970s suits to match. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieselDaisy Posted June 27, 2019 Share Posted June 27, 2019 4 minutes ago, Padme said: Do you want Brexit? Vote Brexit Party/UKIP and forget about Boris, Corbyn, etc Do you want Remain? Vote Lib. Dem/Greens That's one of the main problems. This is not about one person (Boris or Corbyn) There are others with high rank positions in both parties. And both parties are divided over Brexit. It is impossible to please everyone. Tories and Labour are a mess. We saw everything that took place in Parliament with May and her plan. Now there are other parties that have everything clear. They know what they want. You cannot underestimate the pull of Tory and Labour on Britons. Dazey even has a nice centrist EU party sitting pretty for him (LD) and he'll still vote for bonking Boris haha. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graeme Posted June 27, 2019 Share Posted June 27, 2019 57 minutes ago, Dazey said: TEAM BORIS!!!!! Dude, I love you and all, but what the fuck? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Padme Posted June 27, 2019 Share Posted June 27, 2019 4 minutes ago, DieselDaisy said: You cannot underestimate the pull of Tory and Labour on Britons. Dazey even has a nice centrist EU party sitting pretty for him (LD) and he'll still vote for bonking Boris haha. If you look at the recent EU Parliament election. The Green Party did well not only in the UK. But also in other EU countries. And Brexit Party won in the UK. Well that shows it's not that hard to vote for somebody else. The Brexit issue needs to be sorted out before everything else. Once that issue is no longer an issue. Then the UK can move on to Boris and everything else. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieselDaisy Posted June 27, 2019 Share Posted June 27, 2019 Just now, Padme said: If you look at the recent EU Parliament election. The Green Party did well not only in the UK. But also in other EU countries. And Brexit Party won in the UK. Well that shows it's not that hard to vote for somebody else. The Brexit issue needs to be sorted out before everything else. Once that issue is no longer an issue. Then the UK can move on to Boris and everything else. None of those parties, Greens, Brexit Party, even Lib Dems, will ever form a government except as junior coalition members to either Tory or Labour. It is just how it works here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Len Cnut Posted June 27, 2019 Share Posted June 27, 2019 Excuse my thickness, I'm probably missing something but, in terms of the second referendum thing, doesn't the fact that The Brexit Party done well in the last thingie elections indicate the fact that the nation seems onside with Brexit? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoulMonster Posted June 27, 2019 Share Posted June 27, 2019 3 minutes ago, Len Cnut said: Excuse my thickness, I'm probably missing something but, in terms of the second referendum thing, doesn't the fact that The Brexit Party done well in the last thingie elections indicate the fact that the nation seems onside with Brexit? No, not necessarily, this could just be consolidation of leavers into one party. And although a party like Brexit Party has undeniably a lot of support, they still only had 30 % voters in the European Parliament election, so you can't say that the leave bloc is more than what it was back in 2016 (52 %), or even that it is more than 50 %. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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