Frey Posted July 15, 2017 Share Posted July 15, 2017 (edited) 5 minutes ago, EvanG said: But that is your opinion and that's fine. Not everyone agrees. As an artist Slash has been creative and releasing music. Maybe Axl has been creative too, but he's got nothing to show for. And I consider all those years he didn't release music as wasted. You can't say that about Slash who has been releasing albums consistently since 2000. I'm sure he's happy with his output, and so are a lot of his fans. That some internet person like you doesn't care about it doesn't matter. Maybe to you, but no one else. Well obviously it is my opinion. Which I already stated in my very first post on this subject. As I pointed out. And I'm sure Slash's solo albums are great for the people who actually do like them. But even most of these people would probably admit they'd rather have had some more GNR albums. So yes, in the end, it's all wasted years with either no output or inferior output compared to what we could have had. Edited July 15, 2017 by Frey 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EvanG Posted July 15, 2017 Share Posted July 15, 2017 (edited) 22 minutes ago, Frey said: Well obviously it is my opinion. Which I already stated in my very first post on this subject. As I pointed out. And I'm sure Slash's solo albums are great for the people who actually do like them. But even most of these people would probably admit they'd rather have had some more GNR albums. So yes, in the end, it's all wasted years with either no output or inferior output compared to what we could have had. Saying that you don't like his music outside of GnR is a fair opinion. No one can disagree with that because it's your opinion. But saying that he wasted his artistic life since 1991 because you don't like his solo stuff is kinda narrow minded. I don't fancy all his solo efforts and Velvet Revolver stuff either, but I wouldn't call it wasted years just because I'm not the biggest fan, because I'm sure he's happy with it and probably many other people. I would consider it wasted years if he only released one album in 25 years. But I guess you don't understand this logic. Edited July 15, 2017 by EvanG Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frey Posted July 15, 2017 Share Posted July 15, 2017 10 minutes ago, EvanG said: Saying that you don't like his music outside of GnR is a fair opinion. No one can disagree with that because it's your opinion. But saying that he wasted his artistic life since 1991 because you don't like his solo stuff is kinda narrow minded. I don't fancy all his solo efforts and Velvet Revolver stuff either, but I wouldn't call it wasted years just because I'm not the biggest fan, because I'm sure he's happy with it and probably many other people. I would consider it wasted years if he only released one album in 25 years. But I guess you don't understand this logic. Dude, I don't even hate Slash's solo stuff. I even like a couple of his songs. And if he (and a handful of his fans) are happy with that, great (although I highly doubt he was perfectly happy with his career path, judging by what he did and the way he acted in these decades). But we still could have had something so much better. Something so much more relevant. And compared to that all these years spent fighting and wallowing in bitterness were a waste indeed. But I guess you don't understand this logic. So let's agree to disagree and stop talking about this because this is a dumb argument. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EvanG Posted July 15, 2017 Share Posted July 15, 2017 (edited) 1 hour ago, Frey said: Dude, I don't even hate Slash's solo stuff. I even like a couple of his songs. And if he (and a handful of his fans) are happy with that, great (although I highly doubt he was perfectly happy with his career path, judging by what he did and the way he acted in these decades). But we still could have had something so much better. Something so much more relevant. And compared to that all these years spent fighting and wallowing in bitterness were a waste indeed. But I guess you don't understand this logic. So let's agree to disagree and stop talking about this because this is a dumb argument. I never said you hated his stuff. Since GnR he's been in at least three different bands, two of them had his name in the band name and he was the primary songwriter. So I don't think he wasn't too happy about that, that's an ignorant assumption you made. And he released a real solo album and did many guest spots on records of other artists. Just because you're not too happy with his career after GnR, doesn't mean he isn't. If Slash would retire tomorrow and he looked back on the music he put out, I'm sure he doesn't feel like he wasted too many years, except for maybe some of those years when he was fucked up on something or other and therefore didn't get much work done. That's all I'm trying to explain to you, but you have a hard time understanding this. I get that you would have rather seen him make records with GnR, but just because he hasn't it doesn't mean he wasted his years. But I guess you don't understand this logic. Edited July 15, 2017 by EvanG Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lumikki Posted July 15, 2017 Share Posted July 15, 2017 2 hours ago, EvanG said: So I don't think he wasn't too happy about that, that's an ignorant assumption you made. And he released a real solo album and did many guest spots on records of other artists. Just because you're not too happy with his career after GnR, doesn't mean he isn't. If Slash would retire tomorrow and he looked back on the music he put out, I'm sure he doesn't feel like he wasted too many years, except for maybe some of those years when he was fucked up on something or other and therefore didn't get much work done. That's all I'm trying to explain to you, but you have a hard time understanding this. I'm sure he would feel proud of all the albums he's put out, but I don't buy him being completely happy about the situation either. Slash did everything from refusing to go on stage with Duff, Steven and Izzy to celebrate an AfD anniversary (for fear of pissing Axl off) to showing up at Axl's house in the middle of the night to mend fences. He was extremely careful concerning Axl in his book and usually refused to take any bait journalists offered him to badmouth Axl. And he clearly was down for the reunion as soon as Axl called. And that's just off the top off my head. If Slash really had been completely satisfied and happy with his solo career, he wouldn't have tried so hard to stay on Axl's good side (or at least to not make the situation any worse) in hopes of a future reunion of some sort. Back on topic: That's great. November Rain isn't exactly my favorite GNR song, but it is cool to see so many people have watched the video and like my favorite band. And I vote for the trilogy videos being amazing. Of course they're over the top and cheesy and ridiculous, but that is what makes them great in my opinion. It's part of their charm lol. And I agree, Axl should feel proud of them and stand behind what he created. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EvanG Posted July 15, 2017 Share Posted July 15, 2017 1 hour ago, Lumikki said: I'm sure he would feel proud of all the albums he's put out, but I don't buy him being completely happy about the situation either. Slash did everything from refusing to go on stage with Duff, Steven and Izzy to celebrate an AfD anniversary (for fear of pissing Axl off) to showing up at Axl's house in the middle of the night to mend fences. He was extremely careful concerning Axl in his book and usually refused to take any bait journalists offered him to badmouth Axl. And he clearly was down for the reunion as soon as Axl called. And that's just off the top off my head. If Slash really had been completely satisfied and happy with his solo career, he wouldn't have tried so hard to stay on Axl's good side (or at least to not make the situation any worse) in hopes of a future reunion of some sort. I read his book many years ago, but I don't remember him being that careful concerning Axl and I've seen him being critical of him plenty of times in interviews. But obviously we can't know how he really feels about all of it. Anyway, my point was merely that he hasn't been wasting years not releasing and making music like Axl has. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
North Korean Democracy Posted December 12, 2017 Share Posted December 12, 2017 916 million views now, it will reach the billion at the beginning of next year. Pretty impresive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ratam Posted December 12, 2017 Share Posted December 12, 2017 43 minutes ago, North Korean Democracy said: 916 million views now, it will reach the billion at the beginning of next year. Pretty impresive. Mind blowing 😨 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soon Posted December 12, 2017 Share Posted December 12, 2017 @sidman69 Can you please interview the guy who jumped through the wedding cake in NR video? Maybe when the youtube views reach a billion? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
janrichmond Posted December 12, 2017 Share Posted December 12, 2017 20 minutes ago, soon said: @sidman69 Can you please interview the guy who jumped through the wedding cake in NR video? Maybe when the youtube views reach a billion? That was Riki Rachtman i believe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soon Posted December 12, 2017 Share Posted December 12, 2017 5 minutes ago, janrichmond said: That was Riki Rachtman i believe Oh, cool! So it would actually make sense to interview him then, lol! But still focus on the cake dive in interview, of course 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
janrichmond Posted December 12, 2017 Share Posted December 12, 2017 4 minutes ago, soon said: Oh, cool! So it would actually make sense to interview him then, lol! But still focus on the cake dive in interview, of course yeah but knowing you @soon you'd just want the cake recipe 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soon Posted December 12, 2017 Share Posted December 12, 2017 5 minutes ago, janrichmond said: yeah but knowing you @soon you'd just want the cake recipe If jumping through a cake would disclose the recipe, there'd be a lot of baffled and aggravated revellers in my wake Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sidman69 Posted December 12, 2017 Share Posted December 12, 2017 7 minutes ago, soon said: If jumping through a cake would disclose the recipe, there'd be a lot of baffled and aggravated revellers in my wake i tried reaching out to him and nothing but crickets, it's weird how some people don't want to talk. I think he's defending the cake recipe. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soon Posted December 12, 2017 Share Posted December 12, 2017 (edited) 16 minutes ago, sidman69 said: i tried reaching out to him and nothing but crickets, it's weird how some people don't want to talk. I think he's defending the cake recipe. Everyones under a NDA regarding the cake recipe, according to an insider on another forum. Izzy was cut out after suggesting substituting avocado for the vegetable shortening But seriously, I hope you can get him. Would be another good one! Edited December 12, 2017 by soon 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sidman69 Posted December 12, 2017 Share Posted December 12, 2017 1 hour ago, soon said: Everyones under a NDA regarding the cake recipe, according to an insider on another forum. Izzy was cut out after suggesting substituting avocado for the vegetable shortening But seriously, I hope you can get him. Would be another good one! thanks yeah we're always working behind the scenes reaching out to everyone we can who worked with GNR in the past to see if they'll come on. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Order of Nine Posted December 13, 2017 Share Posted December 13, 2017 Slash should have always went the instrumental route and just "jammed" he's great at doing that in a blues format. You get glimpses of it during his solo spots. Instead he put out numerous solo albums with alot of lyrics and vocals that are just embarrassing, ex. WOF is something a 17 year old kid would write in a notebook, compare that to Civil War, not even close to the same caliber and quality. I hear cool ideas here and there on his solo albums but NONE of them measured up to the timelessness of GnR. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thunderram Posted December 13, 2017 Share Posted December 13, 2017 6 hours ago, Order of Nine said: Slash should have always went the instrumental route and just "jammed" he's great at doing that in a blues format. You get glimpses of it during his solo spots. Instead he put out numerous solo albums with alot of lyrics and vocals that are just embarrassing, ex. WOF is something a 17 year old kid would write in a notebook, compare that to Civil War, not even close to the same caliber and quality. I hear cool ideas here and there on his solo albums but NONE of them measured up to the timelessness of GnR. 1st ever post and you're already positioning subjective opinion as fact. You're gonna fit in well here. Just curious, where can I find the grammy winning material and great ideas you wrote and recorded? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoNobodyToldYaBaby Posted December 13, 2017 Share Posted December 13, 2017 I believe Sweet Child O mine would have similar views, if not more if Vevo didn't remove the two other versions that were on YouTube that had way more views around 2009. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lies They Tell Posted December 13, 2017 Share Posted December 13, 2017 It's impressive! And even the music videos that are currently more watched than November Rain, won't be that after a couple of decades. They won't stand the test of time like November Rain does. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Order of Nine Posted December 13, 2017 Share Posted December 13, 2017 8 hours ago, thunderram said: 1st ever post and you're already positioning subjective opinion as fact. You're gonna fit in well here. Just curious, where can I find the grammy winning material and great ideas you wrote and recorded? It's not subjective when you realize that perception is reality. And that the over all perception around the world is that GnR is on another level and time has proven the music to be timeless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Order of Nine Posted December 13, 2017 Share Posted December 13, 2017 8 hours ago, thunderram said: 1st ever post and you're already positioning subjective opinion as fact. You're gonna fit in well here. Just curious, where can I find the grammy winning material and great ideas you wrote and recorded? Name the Slash tunes or Conspirator tunes that have become iconic. Whatever you say will be rationalizing and the fact is his solo stuff is not on the same level period. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-Jaro- Posted December 13, 2017 Share Posted December 13, 2017 Is there a list of most viewed pre-youtube videos? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AxlRoseCDII Posted December 14, 2017 Share Posted December 14, 2017 10 hours ago, Order of Nine said: Name the Slash tunes or Conspirator tunes that have become iconic. Whatever you say will be rationalizing and the fact is his solo stuff is not on the same level period. Anastasia is a great song that many have compared as a modern Sweet Child of Mine. Slash’s best post GNR riff in my opinion and one that I hear on the radio quite often actually. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sydney Fan Posted December 14, 2017 Share Posted December 14, 2017 10 hours ago, Order of Nine said: Name the Slash tunes or Conspirator tunes that have become iconic. Whatever you say will be rationalizing and the fact is his solo stuff is not on the same level period. Ghost which is played on some radio stations in Oz as much as GNR. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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