MyPrettyTiedUpMichelle Posted October 17, 2017 Share Posted October 17, 2017 15 hours ago, F*ck Fear said: Wasn't Axl asked why he doesn't play guitar more during one of the 2009 chats he did? I swear he was and he answered 'skill'. Yep, he said that. You wouldn't expect him to big note himself anyway, not with guitarists like Slash, Izzy and Buckethead for comparison. He's such a perfectionist, he'd have fully set his expectation level to Slash standard and then got completely disgruntled when he couldn't achieve it. I still think it's plausible that he'd be ok on guitar, maybe even better than ok. His confidence took a nose dive after 93 and I think he's struggled with it on and off ever since. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrangerInThisTown Posted October 17, 2017 Share Posted October 17, 2017 (edited) On 16.10.2017 at 12:50 PM, youngswedishvinyl said: He played guitar during the solo of Madagascar in 2001 WTF. This put me in some sort of alternate dimension where Axl was the typical lead guitarist with the long straight hair, like Zakk Wylde. But yea seems it wasn't even plugged in and there were 3 other guitarists at the time. And I know this is offtopic but, it was never really clear if Axl played the acoustic guitar intro on Dead Horse on the studio version. He wrote that riff, but he was only credited for guitar on Shotgun Blues, correct? Edited October 17, 2017 by StrangerInThisTown Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackstar Posted October 18, 2017 Share Posted October 18, 2017 11 hours ago, StrangerInThisTown said: I know this is offtopic but, it was never really clear if Axl played the acoustic guitar intro on Dead Horse on the studio version. He wrote that riff, but he was only credited for guitar on Shotgun Blues, correct? He was credited for acoustic guitar on Dead Horse. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieselDaisy Posted October 18, 2017 Share Posted October 18, 2017 Jagger always gets his guitar out for 'Miss You'. Just a load of typical 'frontman' posturing really. Bon Jovi used to do it also. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
h2sublime Posted October 19, 2017 Share Posted October 19, 2017 I like 14 Years. Not my favorite off of Use Your Illusion but I would never remove it. 7/10 surrounded by masterpieces. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrangerInThisTown Posted October 19, 2017 Share Posted October 19, 2017 (edited) One of the songs that made me pick up guitar, my favourite GNR solo, and pretty good song overall. Love the piano on it too. This is a song where I always recommend people to listen to the rough mix version because it's just way better. There was this one interview where Slash said he has the rough UYI mixes and how they are vastly superior because they're stripped down versions before they became bloated production wise, and this one really stood out to me in that regard. Bad Apples was the other one (the demo even has Stevens drums) and also Pretty Tied up was vastly superior and had no fade out. They gotta release that shit officially someday. Edited October 19, 2017 by StrangerInThisTown 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pishy Posted October 19, 2017 Share Posted October 19, 2017 14 Years, 10/10 Was one of the most surprising and captivating songs on UYI II when I first dissected the album. Totally took me by surprise, not even sure why but yes, great song by a great musician and singer, Izzy. On a side note, it always annoyed me the way Axl would come in and pretty much take over the mic, the man doesn't know how to collaborate, but Izzy was so cool about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Archtop Posted October 19, 2017 Share Posted October 19, 2017 15 hours ago, Pishy said: On a side note, it always annoyed me the way Axl would come in and pretty much take over the mic, the man doesn't know how to collaborate, but Izzy was so cool about it. Annoys me too, Axl always hogs the mic and Izzy just kinda of gives him the side eye. Fourteen Years has always been in my top 5 GnR songs, I love it! "You know ...Just like a hooker she said nothin's for free" remains my all time favourite line 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pishy Posted October 19, 2017 Share Posted October 19, 2017 2 minutes ago, Archtop said: Annoys me too, Axl always hogs the mic and Izzy just kinda of gives him the side eye. Fourteen Years has always been in my top 5 GnR songs, I love it! "You know ...Just like a hooker she said nothin's for free" remains my all time favourite line Axl should have studied Prince, Prince always gave full recognition to all members of the band, every musician on stage, as it should have been. He directed listeners to do the same, it was genuine because he respected their great talent, didn't feel he needed to compete with it. He wanted to add to their life and expand their oppprtunties. But Prince was a far more sophisticated artist. Or check out the Boss , it's not patronizing , it's look at these awesome musicians. i mean how many songs did Izzy sing on, axl zoomed in like the mic was a shared oxygen tank? It's so distracting and rude and made me cringe. If they were at the mic together , mic positioned between them, it would have given off a more authentic vibe and keep the song as the focus. Izzy is an inspiration, I don't have the patience I've seen him exhibit and god knows it's far greater than I can ever be aware of because I don't know him. But he has an assuredness about him, he is what coolness is about. He cares about the music , the artistry of it. That truth is such a rare thing and that's what makes him so great. It's like he knows, and no one is going to rattle that. His confidence is real, people respect him , he doesn't run things on fear. it is a great song. The way he comes in , his voice , the way he sings your fave line. The man has style , to quote a line out of Blue Velvet , Izzy is "so suave, he is so fucking suave!" 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tori72 Posted October 19, 2017 Share Posted October 19, 2017 23 minutes ago, Archtop said: Annoys me too, Axl always hogs the mic and Izzy just kinda of gives him the side eye. Fourteen Years has always been in my top 5 GnR songs, I love it! "You know ...Just like a hooker she said nothin's for free" remains my all time favourite line Great, thanks both of you. Always thought it's only me who's annoyed of Axl storming the mic. Also the way Axl introduced Izzy in Indiana 91 it was, I think. So Izzy felt the need to calm him with "only one more time". What's Axl's problem, there? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
double talkin jive mfkr Posted October 19, 2017 Share Posted October 19, 2017 i think the song is actually ironically a farewell to axl from izzy cause he knows what kind of guy he is and how things are turning out - very melancholic to say the least especially with the last line of I've tried to see it your way ----- (meaning izzy tried his hardest to make it work but no go) hence this bloated affair with no real new music 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MyPrettyTiedUpMichelle Posted October 19, 2017 Share Posted October 19, 2017 45 minutes ago, double talkin jive mfkr said: i think the song is actually ironically a farewell to axl from izzy cause he knows what kind of guy he is and how things are turning out - very melancholic to say the least especially with the last line of I've tried to see it your way ----- (meaning izzy tried his hardest to make it work but no go) hence this bloated affair with no real new music Glad I'm not the only one to have thought that. The lyrics fit that notion so well. I wonder if Axl cottoned on, or at least wondered to himself if that was the case? You're right, there is a certain melancholy pervading that song, but then, I find that to be the case quite a bit with Izzy's solo work, too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrangerInThisTown Posted October 19, 2017 Share Posted October 19, 2017 1 hour ago, MyPrettyTiedUpMichelle said: Glad I'm not the only one to have thought that. The lyrics fit that notion so well. I wonder if Axl cottoned on, or at least wondered to himself if that was the case? You're right, there is a certain melancholy pervading that song, but then, I find that to be the case quite a bit with Izzy's solo work, too. I'm also positive that "rock n roll band" he wrote about in PTU was also GNR. Maybe that was the only way Izzy thought he'd be heard at that point. Remember reading about him being pissed his opinion was not asked at all during the early 90s 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arrio Posted October 19, 2017 Share Posted October 19, 2017 I always thought That axl's períod as a guitar player just Was becouse he hated and loved Kurt Cobain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ludurigan Posted October 19, 2017 Share Posted October 19, 2017 20 hours ago, StrangerInThisTown said: Bad Apples was the other one (the demo even has Stevens drums) and also Pretty Tied up was vastly superior and had no fade out. what ? you mean this one? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Blackstar Posted October 19, 2017 Popular Post Share Posted October 19, 2017 (edited) Although probably everybody has read it, I think the story of the song, as Izzy told it, has to be posted in the thread: Well, one's this song called '14 Years'. Axl phoned me up and said he'd written a song called '14 Years' too, which is a really bizarre coincidence [laughing]. So when he said that, I told him 'Well maybe we should use mine, 'cos it's already finished and we can get on with these fuckin' albums and get them out sometime in 1991!' So what we ended up doing was he heard mine, we tracked it, then he sang me parts of his song and made them like a bridge or a chorus or something [Izzy, The Vox, 1991] http://www.a-4-d.com/t121-14-years Axl introduced it at this show (1:01:36) saying that it was their little tribute to how long they'd been working at it: According to Duff (in the same link above), it was written at West Arkeen's apartment in the same period as Yesterdays and It's So Easy, so it was an early song - unless Duff confused it with Bad Obsession. That early version (if it existed) was probably different though, with -at least partly- different lyrics. Part of the lyrics on the long version from Niven's tape (most likely an already reworked version) is different from the final album version. Based on what Izzy said, but also on the fact that Axl sang the chorus and on the vibe it gives, I believe that the biggest part of the song is Izzy's and the chorus (maybe also the lyrics of last part of the bridge) is Axl's; and that Axl's song (and the part of it that was used as chorus) wasn't about Izzy, but about something else. Maybe Izzy replaced part of his original lyrics with lines about Axl. I think Axl knew that; and maybe, although his song wasn't originally about Izzy, he used the chorus as a reaction/reply, and they consciously made the final song a "dialogue" between them. Expanding this theory, the live performances with Axl going "aggressively" to Izzy's mic for the chorus, might have been like that on purpose. Edited October 19, 2017 by Blackstar 3 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KiraMPD Posted October 19, 2017 Share Posted October 19, 2017 1 hour ago, MyPrettyTiedUpMichelle said: Glad I'm not the only one to have thought that. The lyrics fit that notion so well. I wonder if Axl cottoned on, or at least wondered to himself if that was the case? You're right, there is a certain melancholy pervading that song, but then, I find that to be the case quite a bit with Izzy's solo work, too. I've always been of the opinion that 14 years and Don't Cry (Alt lyrics) were Axl and Izzy's way of saying farewell to something in their friendship. That being said, I also believe that Izzy wrote Move to the City with Axl in mind as the subject matter... I agree with @Blackstar, Axl most probably knew what Izzy was trying to say through the song (I mean, it's pretty fucking obvious). People assume that Axl is too egoistical to have recorded the song if he knew that it was meant as a slight against him but I get the impression that Axl probably appreciated the blunt honesty and artistically liked the song enough to agree to do it. Two things that stand out to me in this song; Izzy's voice () and the piano (very jazz/blues which I like a lot). 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrangerInThisTown Posted October 19, 2017 Share Posted October 19, 2017 1 hour ago, ludurigan said: what ? you mean this one? Yep. It sucks how they pushed the backing vocals by duff and izzy so far back on the studio version, they are clear as day here. Makes the chorus even better Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ludurigan Posted October 20, 2017 Share Posted October 20, 2017 9 hours ago, StrangerInThisTown said: Yep. It sucks how they pushed the backing vocals by duff and izzy so far back on the studio version, they are clear as day here. Makes the chorus even better hey thanks for the reply, this is clearly not steven on this one. wtf! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrangerInThisTown Posted October 20, 2017 Share Posted October 20, 2017 4 hours ago, ludurigan said: hey thanks for the reply, this is clearly not steven on this one. wtf! No this is the studio version mixed differently. The demo is not on youtube as far as I could see Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ludurigan Posted October 20, 2017 Share Posted October 20, 2017 2 hours ago, StrangerInThisTown said: No this is the studio version mixed differently. The demo is not on youtube as far as I could see i never listened to any demo of bad apples except for that one which, like you said, is not really a demo, it is more of an early mix are you sure there is a demo with steven never even heard about a bad apples demo with steven please let me know if there is one thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sunset Boulevard Posted October 20, 2017 Share Posted October 20, 2017 On 15/10/2017 at 3:34 AM, RONIN said: Izzy is the greatest of all time. Please use this thread to praise him. Did Izzy ever band you? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RONIN Posted October 20, 2017 Author Share Posted October 20, 2017 2 hours ago, Sunset Boulevard said: Did Izzy ever band you? No, I wasn't in the Ju Ju Hounds. Did Fortus ever bang you? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J Dog Posted October 21, 2017 Share Posted October 21, 2017 Great song. Guns at their best. When they did rock n roll like this, they did it just as good as anybody ever has. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ludurigan Posted October 21, 2017 Share Posted October 21, 2017 On 17/10/2017 at 11:01 AM, MyPrettyTiedUpMichelle said: Yep, he said that. You wouldn't expect him to big note himself anyway, not with guitarists like Slash, Izzy and Buckethead for comparison. He's such a perfectionist, he'd have fully set his expectation level to Slash standard and then got completely disgruntled when he couldn't achieve it. I still think it's plausible that he'd be ok on guitar, maybe even better than ok. His confidence took a nose dive after 93 and I think he's struggled with it on and off ever since. i dont think axl would ever set his expectation level to Slash standard, thats complete bollocks, axl spent years and years living with/looking at/watching Slash, long enough to know that Slash only achieved `Slash standard` because he plays and practices everyday etc etc etc, something that axl likely would never do and how can you or anyone else talk about perfeccionism after THAT album? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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