Mass Shooting In Toronto

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Gunman and 2 victims dead, 12 others injured in Toronto Greektown shooting

A gunman and two victims are dead and 12 others are in hospital after a shooting in Toronto's Greektown neighbourhood on Sunday evening, police say.

One person killed is a woman. One of the injured, a young girl aged eight or nine, is in critical condition, according to authorities.

Ontario's Special Investigations Unit, which probes police-involved shootings, said the suspected gunman, 29, is also dead. Police, meanwhile, are working to determine what may have led to the violence. 

Toronto Police Chief Mark Saunders urged the public to share any information they have about the shooting, including video of what happened. He said police don't know what prompted the attack but are investigating all possibilities.

According to the SIU, a man walking along Danforth Avenue fired at groups of people several times at about 10 p.m. ET on Sunday. Saunders said the man was armed with a handgun.

The SIU said police located the gunman on Bowden Street, near Danforth and Broadview avenues, and an exchange of gunfire took place. The SIU said the gunman fled from the area and was found dead on Danforth Avenue.

Saunders said it's not clear how the suspect died but no officers were injured.

Police have not said which restaurants were shot at, and they have not confirmed if the gunman was on the north or south side of Danforth.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/danforth-logan-shooting-1.4757409

 

 

[Gracii Guns]

Thoughts and best wishes with our Canadian members. 

[ZoSoRose]

God dammit

[soon]

Update expected shortly. Its announced that the 2 dead are both female - a women and a girl. No motive known yet, but the suggestion seems to be to brace ourselves for the possibility of echoes of the van attack in May. But no motive is known yet. Could be anything.

Edited July 23, 2018 by soon

[soon]

A woman, 18, and a girl, 10, are dead and 13 other people are injured after a shooting in Toronto's Greektown neighbourhood on Sunday evening, police say.

Toronto police say 16 people were shot in total, including the shooter who has been identified — by the province's police watchdog — as 29-year-old Faisal Hussain. 

Hussain died at the scene of a gunshot wound after exchanging gunfire with police, according to investigators. 

Eight women and eight men were shot, and they range in age from 10 to 59, police say.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/danforth-logan-shooting-1.4757409

[dontdamnmeuyi2015]

I saw this on CNN. How terrible yet again.

What the hell is going on? You can't even go to a store or eat out or walk around anymore. It's getting so damn depressing and how many lives have to be lost to violence.

It seems that's all we see and hear on the news now.

Just walking out your door is dangerous now.

Stay safe people.

[Ace Nova]

On 7/23/2018 at 6:02 PM, soon said:

A woman, 18, and a girl, 10, are dead and 13 other people are injured after a shooting in Toronto's Greektown neighbourhood on Sunday evening, police say.

Toronto police say 16 people were shot in total, including the shooter who has been identified — by the province's police watchdog — as 29-year-old Faisal Hussain. 

Hussain died at the scene of a gunshot wound after exchanging gunfire with police, according to investigators. 

Eight women and eight men were shot, and they range in age from 10 to 59, police say.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/danforth-logan-shooting-1.4757409

Very sad.  Thoughts & Prayers are with the victims and their families.  Any word yet if the guy was radicalized or...?

 

[soon]

7 minutes ago, Kasanova King said:

Very sad.  Thoughts & Prayers are with the victims and their families.  Any word yet if the guy was radicalized or...?

 

The reporting has explored numerous possible ideologies that the suspected shooter may have subscribed to. Not sure which you are referring to specifically. But no perceived motive has been made public yet. 

What is known is that the suspected shooter had long standing, documented, mental health struggles

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/faisal-hussain-friends-1.4758969

[Ace Nova]

21 hours ago, soon said:

The reporting has explored numerous possible ideologies that the suspected shooter may have subscribed to. Not sure which you are referring to specifically. But no perceived motive has been made public yet. 

What is known is that the suspected shooter had long standing, documented, mental health struggles

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/faisal-hussain-friends-1.4758969

I think the vast majority of these shootings have more to do with mental health than anything else.  I'm not surprised that this story is getting very little main stream media coverage here in the US ....and it's because it doesn't fit the liberal media narrative of some crazed white kid with an AR-15.  

[triad]

2 hours ago, Kasanova King said:

I think the vast majority of these shootings have more to do with mental health than anything else.  I'm not surprised that this story is getting very little main stream media coverage here in the US ....and it's because it doesn't fit the liberal media narrative of some crazed white kid with an AR-15.  

By what measure do you say the story is getting little "main stream media" coverage?  It's getting quite a bit of coverage from what I'm seeing.  

[Ace Nova]

Just now, triad said:

By what measure do you say the story is getting little "main stream media" coverage?  It's getting quite a bit of coverage from what I'm seeing.  

If this was a shooting in Florida (my home state) and it was a white kid with an AR-15 "style" gun it would be headline news for a month.  This story lasted about a day..and maybe a couple of hours of follow up coverage.

 

[Whiskey Rose]

On ‎2018‎-‎07‎-‎24 at 6:31 PM, Kasanova King said:

Any word yet if the guy was radicalized or...?

Yes.  Unfortunately it is turning out that this may be more "radically" motivated than "mentally ill" motivated. (although you have to have some sort of mental illness to be brainwashed to think it is ok to kill based on religion)..

While the Toronto chief of police will not speculate on motive, the FBI has said that he was known to them bc of his dealings with jihad websites.  And ISIS has taken credit for the shootings, saying he was a soldier for the Islamic State. While that may or may not be true, what for me, gives credence to that statement, is the fact that they did not take credit for the van rammings a few months ago, even though that method would certainly make you think otherwise.

I hate that this has found it's way into Canada.

[Ace Nova]

3 minutes ago, Whiskey Rose said:

Yes.  Unfortunately it is turning out that this may be more "radically" motivated than "mentally ill" motivated. (although you have to have some sort of mental illness to be brainwashed to think it is ok to kill based on religion)..

While the Toronto chief of police will not speculate on motive, the FBI has said that he was known to them bc of his dealings with jihad websites.  And ISIS has taken credit for the shootings, saying he was a soldier for the Islamic State. While that may or may not be true, what for me, gives credence to that statement, is the fact that they did not take credit for the van rammings a few months ago, even though that method would certainly make you think otherwise.

I hate that this has found it's way into Canada.

Of course it's them.  And now this story will get zero coverage in the US. other than Fox News. 

[Len Cnut]

What a fuckin' pussy.  At least the fuckin' ones that go and join fuckin' some guerilla army out in the desert somewhere make some kinda sense, what the fuck you wanna kill a fuckin' 10 yr old and some woman for, what fuckin' martyrdom is that?!  Prick.  Killing some fuckin' baby, well done dickhead.  Brainwashing is one thing, how the fuck could you ever get it in your head that there's a God out there that wants you to fuckin' kill women and children and random innocent people out doing a bit of shopping?  I mean in all the fuckin' notions of God that I've heard out of any fuckin' mainstream religion, and I ain't a fuckin' expert here, where is there any reference in any of them to killing kids?  I mean he's supposed to be some kinda fuckin' benevolent being right, one that gives you a blueprint for a decent and holy life.  Fuckin' fraggle.

[Len Cnut]

10 hours ago, Kasanova King said:

If this was a shooting in Florida (my home state) and it was a white kid with an AR-15 "style" gun it would be headline news for a month.  This story lasted about a day..and maybe a couple of hours of follow up coverage.

 

Because someone with an AR 15 would probably have a much higher body count, lending itself to the anti-gun narrative.  But to suggest that Islamic Terror has somehow been lacking coverage is a pretty laughable statement.  Jesus Christ, its like the most pored over shit of the last 15 or so years.

[soon]

Just a reminder that there is no known motive at this point. ISIS claims of responsibility used to involve a video tape where the attacker would pledge allegiance. There is no video or any other evidence. Since ISIS started to see major battlefield losses in 2017 they have falsely claimed responsibility for attacks abroad. They do this because ISIS' recruitment strategy is based on the allure that ISIS is always in action, on the attack, "actually doing something." When they are stalled in the actual battlegrounds of their caliphate they lay claim to attacks elsewhere. Think about it, there is no tactical reasoning behind shooting Torontonian's as part of an effort to establish an Islamic State in the Levant. Only the propaganda of "action" to keep recruiting going. As their International recruiters have been rounded up by the West they have frequently resorted to simply claiming responsibility even with no shred of evidence. They claimed the Las Vegas massacre to with no evidence.

So, quickly agreeing with ISIS over our own authorities plays right into ISIS' recruitment program. What we know is that this man suffered from psychosis and depression.

An article from today:

ISIS claims of responsibility for Toronto shooting raises questions of credibility 

'The probability has become much less certain about what a claim means at this point,' one expert says

Mark Gollom · CBC News · Posted: Jul 26, 2018 4:00 AM ET | Last Updated: an hour ago

When ISIS claimed responsibility for the deadly mass shooting in Toronto's Greektown, questions were immediately raised about the validity of those claims and whether the shooter did, indeed, have ties to the extremist group.

In the past, such claims by ISIS — in which the group linked itself to an attack against civilians — were often considered quite credible, say some experts. Yet recent statements ISIS are now being met with more skepticism.

"The probability has become much less certain about what a claim means at this point, because they may be monitoring the news and trying to latch onto whatever they can see," said counterterrorism expert Thomas Joscelyn.

In a statement released by ISIS's own AMAQ news agency, the group said the 29-year-old gunman Faisal Hussain "was a soldier of the Islamic State and carried out the attack in response to calls to target the citizens of the coalition countries."

But no other details were provided. Toronto's Police Chief Mark Saunders flatly stated that there is no evidence to support a connection so far, and, just a day earlier, a spokesperson for Public Safety Minister Ralph Goodale said "there is no national security nexus to the shooter."

Shifting structures

According to Rita Katz, director of the SITE Intelligence Group, which tracks global terror networks, the statement released by ISIS was "typical wording used for ISIS-inspired attacks."

She tweeted that ISIS is eager to embrace any loosely applicable attack in the West in the wake of its losses in Iraq and Syria, and that its embrace of Hussain was "questionable."

From 2014 to about 2017, ISIS seemed to have a fairly straightforward process at play in terms of how they claimed attacks, said Amarnath Amarasingam, a senior research fellow at Institute for Strategic Dialogue and a prominent Canadian anti-extremist researcher.

ISIS had trusted individuals around the world. When people were inspired to launch attacks, the attackers could reach out to give these individuals proof of support by sending them videos or oaths of allegiance, Amarasingam said.

But sometime in mid-2017, things changed for the terror group, he said. Many of their trusted individuals were arrested, and they lost capacity and ability to maintain these networks in Syria and Iraq as coalition forces took back major cities. 

"A lot of this chain of transmission — from attack to claim — started to fall apart, and they started to get sloppy, and they started to claim quite bizarre attacks that were quite obviously not terrorism-related."

One of the attacks they took credit for was the Las Vegas shooting, in which Stephen Paddock opened fire at concertgoers from a room of the Mandalay Bay Resort and Casino, killing 58 people and injuring more than 500.

Authorities have so far said there has been no evidence to link Paddock to ISIS. 

Joscelyn, who is also senior editor of the Long War Journal, agreed that up to around 2017, there was a "very high probability" that if ISIS claimed some sort of connection to an individual terrorist or small group of terrorists, then there was often something to the claim.

That's why any claim has to be compared with other data or other evidence, he said.

"What we need to find out is [if] this guy had any sort of digital ties, or any other sort of connections, that put him into the types of case that we've seen in the past," he said. "Thus far, I haven't seen anything like that."

Online ties

In most cases, a claim of responsibility from ISIS will not mean they orchestrated the attack. Instead, many of the deadly incidents — including the Florida Pulse nightclub shooting and the 2015 attack in San Bernardino, Calif. — are said to be "inspired" by ISIS.

"What it means is somebody who has sworn allegiance to them online, or has had some sort of digital tie to them or some other sort of connection," said Joscelyn.

Erin Miller, program manager of the Global Terrorism Database at the University of Maryland, said the phrase "soldier of of the Islamic State" is often translated as a claim of responsibility.

"It's actually giving a lot of credit to Islamic State where it's not clear that credit is due in terms of the operational responsibility for the attack."

And it is possible, she said, that in the case of Hussain, ISIS claimed him as a soldier based on news reports that he may have been a supporter — without any other evidence to back it up.

That would be a change from recent years, said Amarasingam, when media reports would not be enough for ISIS.

In the past, there would have been evidence that the attacker had been talking to somebody in Syria, or had exchanged messages online with an ISIS affiliate, he said.

"They always had to have some evidence of real connection," he said. "I think, these days, the threshold for a claim is much lower for them.

"I don't think they have the same kind of evidence they used to. Things are getting a bit more chaotic and they're making mistakes." 

Terrorism analyst Michael S. Smith II said it would not be without precedent that the group has claimed responsibility for an attack in the West and no information emerges to support that claim.

However, he said, "it is rare for Islamic State to claim responsibility for an attack in the West and for information to not subsequently emerge that supports that claim."

As of today, Amarasingam said there doesn't seem to be any connection between Hussain and anybody from ISIS. But he also said that could change.

"It's not to say, in a weeks' time or a of couple days, they won't find information on his phone or information on his computer that he was talking to someone in Syria, or talking to somebody in ISIS central, or talking to a supporter somewhere around the world."

http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/isis-toronto-shooting-danforth-1.4761506

[Ace Nova]

5 hours ago, Len Cnut said:

Because someone with an AR 15 would probably have a much higher body count, lending itself to the anti-gun narrative.  But to suggest that Islamic Terror has somehow been lacking coverage is a pretty laughable statement.  Jesus Christ, its like the most pored over shit of the last 15 or so years.

I'm not saying that but there certainly is a clear bias if the event does not include some sort of semi-automatic weapon.  Shootings happen in the US everyday but the only ones you see with extended coverage are the ones that happen with some sort of "assault" rifle/weapon.

 

 

[Len Cnut]

20 minutes ago, Kasanova King said:

I'm not saying that but there certainly is a clear bias if the event does not include some sort of semi-automatic weapon.  Shootings happen in the US everyday but the only ones you see with extended coverage are the ones that happen with some sort of "assault" rifle/weapon.

 

 

Thats probably true, its certainly more newsworthy because assault weapons are a contemporary issue of the day.  Its as much a sign of bias as it is a sign of the fact that news is a commodity, like shampoo or iphones.  News is not presented to you in order of moral significance (which it should), its presented to you, and always has been at least in our lifetimes, in order of value.  If Kim Kardashians new arse injections is going to draw in more viewers or clicks it will take presedence over ‘54 dead in suicide attack in Surinam’, cuz no one gives a fuck about Surinam but people will go click crazy for Kim.  By the same token, if assault weapons are the bogeyman of the day and a million fuckers will click themselves silly wanting to read about that shit it will take the front page, so in that sense yeah, there probably is a bias.  The news is just a product and TV stations as well as newspapers and websites lean towards the news that will boost their ratings.  This moral consistency we seek from this stuff, because some of us labour under the foolhardly notion that news is about keeping us informed, simply does not exist.

Edited July 26, 2018 by Len Cnut

[Coma16]

The Canadian media doesn't want us to realize that there's a war going on. This hooray for tolerance! wasn't some mental health case that went bad. He was a trained soldier from a family riddled with criminal activity. 

 

But let's focus on having less politicians in Toronto instead...

Edited July 28, 2018 by Coma16

[soon]

10 hours ago, Coma16 said:

The Canadian media doesn't want us to realize that there's a war going on. This hooray for tolerance! wasn't some mental health case that went bad. He was a trained soldier from a family riddled with criminal activity. 

 

But let's focus on having less politicians in Toronto instead...

LOL, can you substantiate the claim that he's a "trained soldier" I haven't even seen that suggested by click bait shit rags like Rebel Media

And his brother, not his entire family, has a serious criminal record. Which is funny for you to highlight along side this idea that he is a trained jihadi because the gun very likely came from his brother, a small times arm dealer and hard drug trafficker. So which is it, was he trained and armed by ISIS or is it noteworthy that he had access to firearms because his brother is a gangster?

Brother's criminal past

The same is not true for Hussain's older brother.

A police source previously told CBC News, Farad Hussain, 31, has ties to a street gang in the Thorncliffe Park area of Toronto, and may have once possessed the handgun his brother used in the Danforth shooting.

Fahad was charged with drug possession twice, in 2014 and 2015, court records show.

In February 2017, he was charged with possessing a weapon, ammunition and breaching previous bail conditions.

He was bailed out with $10,000 by his friend Maisum Ansari and ordered to live in a Pickering home Ansari owned.

Later that year, court records show Hussain suffered a drug overdose. He has been in a coma ever since. The 2017 charges against him have been withdrawn due to his condition.

Guns and drugs found

In September 2017 — after Farhad overdosed and left the home — firefighters responded to a carbon monoxide call at the same home and noticed a suspicious substance in the basement.

Durham Regional Police later obtained a search warrant and found 33 firearms, ammunition and more than 40 kilograms of the potentially lethal drug carfentanil.

In court documents, the street value of the drugs is estimated to be as much as $20 million.

Gun in Danforth shooting traced to U.S., says police source

Ansari, 34, was charged with more than 300 firearms-related offences and drug possession for the purpose of trafficking.

Babar Ali, 30, of Toronto, has also been charged.

Ansari was released on $100,000 bail and must reside with his wife in Oshawa, Ont. Neither Ansari nor his lawyer responded to inquiries from CBC News.

Ansari's Pickering home on Liatris Drive, where the guns and drugs were seized, was recently sold for $740,000, according to property records.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/danforth-background-brother-records-1.4764742

Edited July 28, 2018 by soon

[Coma16]

The way he was shooting and reloading with such precision leads me to believe that he was very well trained. you don't  learn that by plying Call of Duty or watching The Dark Knight....

[soon]

15 minutes ago, Coma16 said:

The way he was shooting and reloading with such precision leads me to believe that he was very well trained. you don't  learn that by plying Call of Duty or watching The Dark Knight....

Okay, I guess thats one theory. But I think we all figure he meant to kill everyone he shot? If thats the case then his shooting wasnt very precise - killing two and injuring 13-16 (this number has varied but I think it settled on 13). 

Sounds like you might be familiar with firearms, but Id still point out how handguns do tend to be a bit easier to reload then a riffle. Because the magazines are straight and are enclosed and guided into position by the hollow handle of the gun. Whereas with riffles the magazines are often curved and one has to direct them into position wth out the gun guiding the process. There is more skill involved, not to mention the force involved with setting a mag in place on a riffle. Reloading handguns is a bit more utilitarian and intuitive for the average person.