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Weeks from now, after they drop Perhaps, we will all be complaining about how much time has gone by before hearing the next single, The General. Then, after we finally get it, we will have to wait 1-2 more years for Atlas Shrugged and Oh My God.

Maybe those will be present in the released studio version. Slash’s solo sounds fairly close to the Finck one, or at least inspired by it, which makes sense and not a totally new thing like with Hard Skool. I wish they didn’t restructure Hard Skool so much from the Village version.

You can find the entire list of the “MSL documents” online. (Not the contents, though the titles of each document/email/file are telling and summarize the contents) A few items mentioned leaked. They are real. I’ve reads bits, including an excerpt from Axl’s book on his take on the riot during the tour with Metallica. All I remember was he was blamed for it and it was a misunderstanding. It doesn’t take a genius to figure out what happened. Just think for a second, what would happen if someone posted proof they had such a collection of confidential documents? Who do you think would eventually notice, and how would they respond? Doesn’t take a detective to figure it out. Yes, MSL has a history of fluffing up what he has, and did in the aspect of only having a handful of remixes, but not having the actual songs to CD2 (only a list of them) many probably don’t remember the video or videos of him reading some of the material. It was interesting, to say the least. All real, I hope it gets out there: Wouldn’t help the band, some of the titles of the documents are comical (everyone hating Tommy and wanting him fired, Beta on how to trick Axl, Axl wanting to fire and sue Ashba, people asking when they will be paid by the band, how many albums they should release, Axl wanting to dissolve the band, etc.) The emails would show what we already know in that it’s one big huge dysfunctional family, and over ten years later, nothing changed, except plans.

There’s 12-14 songs on there after removing the CD remix (or whatever) songs. So it’s more of an album (CD2) and a remix EP, or bonus tracks.

I'm not sure if you are aware of this, but years ago a mix of Oh My God leaked that has Buckethead and Bumblefoot on it. "OMG2" also appeared on the leaked CD2 list. Axl mentioned a remix that is not taken that seriously anymore, however, the description of his remix didn't fit the Buckethead/Bumblefoot leak, so they worked on different versions post-1999. (Maybe one was for the remix album?) So, it's not outside of reason to assume at one point between 1999 to present they at the very least considered re-releasing one or more different versions of it seeing how they spent time/effort and money working on it post the 1999 version... We have the strangely mixed leaks of Oh My God, Silkworms, Going Down, and Atlas is rumored to be out there with Bumblefoot's guitar isolated in one channel. These exist for a reason, though I'm not sure if anyone really knows what they were for.

Why would you think that? The first single from the 2008 album was Chinese Democracy, which is far from the strongest song on that album. The same with Absurd.

There is evidence in the form of a leaked screenshot that includes Tonto in a list of songs for CD2. The list is a screen shot of an email from January 25, 2008 with the subject "CD2" and Tonto is listed as "Tonto V Br" It's likely the song was worked on from 2000-2008, especially since it showed up on a list from 2008 alongside other songs such as The General, Atlas Shrugged, Cuban Skies, Going Down, Silkworms, Perhaps, Nothing, Soul Monster, Jackie Chan (Hard Skool) and others. I happen to know the list is real, as do a few others here, but for any who doubt, that list contained three songs that were unknown but were present in the Village leaks. (Nothing, Perhaps, and Tonto) The date on the file I have is from 2011. The most interesting thing about the list to me, are the exclusion of songs (at least by name) such as Oklahoma/Berlin, State Of Grace, Zodiac 13, Seven, and Quick Song. A song called "Monstrocity" is listed, that could be one of them, as Axl said most known titles are working titles and subject to change. Back in early 2008 though, three albums were very much still considered, as Axl told Sebastian Bach in 2007 (or so) that The General would be on the third album, in 2012... If you are saying the leaked CD2 list is not real, it is. Are you also saying there is not at least one more album worth of material? Axl himself has confirmed this. In 2006, Axl said they had 2.5 albums worth of material.

I don't think there needs to be. It certainly wasn't because of a lack of quality material. A "CD2" song list leaked and the list itself was dated months prior to the 2008 album release that has a list of songs, of the songs listed, only one of them was on the 2008 album. (Catcher) and it has been said a few songs bounced between the first two records because of how they fit in the others.

It has nothing to do with "making the cut" with the songs that were not on the 2008 record. They planned on putting out more than one record worth of material, so the "big guns" were spread across multiple, 2-3 records. Several band interviews have backed this up.

Slash was out of the band for years when a ton of material was recorded. It's a different situation. He wasn't involved in most, if not all of the CD-era songs so if anything, he should feel a little pressure re-recording Bucket and Robin's work on songs that were "finished" years prior to his involvement.

What I mean was having half a dozen or so songs with Slash on them, and the other half a dozen or so were kept intact from the CD era. It's entirely possible Axl is 100% satisfied with some of the mixes from years ago, and doesn't want them touched in any way. Maybe the songs the NITL lineup are doing are the ones Axl felt needed additional work.

Yes, there was an interview where I remember him talking about playing on Absurd/Silkworms, but that his parts of course were not on the final version. I don't recall him talking about Hard Skool. Fortus has had to re-record parts he added too from the CD era to fit into the NITL versions so they certainly re-worked the songs enough to justify having Fortus re-record his parts.

At this point, highly unlikely. He wasn't on Absurd or Hard Skool. We will probably hear more of Bucket, as we did get bits of his playing on Absurd. In case anyone doesn't know, I'd love it if they keep a few Bucket and perhaps one or more Robin solos and other leads on the next album. Seeing how they only reworked half a dozen or so CD tunes, they gives me hope.

I wish they would just release CD2 (the older mixes with Bucket and Robin) and finish what they had of CD3 as an EP or whatever else, possibly making CD3 a complete record with the NITL and call it, unless they are up for additional creative output.

Makes sense, that's what they did the last time with Absurd and HS. Maybe Axl took from Eye On You what he didn't use for Hard Skool and added it to Perhaps.

I think the polling was closed, but I was going to vote for Frank.

Even if the band drops a re-worked Perhaps tomorrow, unless it comes with an announcement for something better upcoming (EP, new album, etc.) it's really not that ground-breaking or exciting. For starters, we have already heard a mix of it (one that's likely better than a re-worked one if Absurd/Hard Skool are any indicators) and unless it's paired with a song or followed shortly thereafter by one most of us haven't heard (The General, Soul Monster, Seven, etc.) it's not going to be the talk of the town. I hope to be wrong! Maybe they will actually promote it. I think it's a song that could do well on the radio and web if promoted properly. Even an EP like the last one, 2 studio and 2 live songs. Gets boring fast, an album with 12-16 tracks can be enjoyed as a lengthy experience, like many of us have been enjoying the 2008 album since then. Not that I'd be satisfied with the above anyways, assuming most of Bucket's parts are gone or buried.

Tracii Guns and Paul Tobias. Oh, and 1996-2014 Axl Rose.

Someone ask Carrie to ask Axl if he can keep some of Bucket's solos and other leads on the next album/single/whatever please.

18) Still Going Down (Featuring Duff vox on right channel, Tommy vox on left channel)

Yes, and that is the beauty of it. Fergie NAILS it. Listen to Slash's Beautiful Dangerous, featuring Fergie on vocals. She also sings on his Paradise City bonus track from the 2010 album. You will be surprised if you have not heard it. There's a creepy music video with Slash and Fergie as well to that song. (Beautiful Dangerous)

I liked about half of Slash's 2010 album, which isn't bad considering I rarely like entire albums. I didn't like the songs with Myles on them. I wish he did more with Andrew Stockdale. (By The Sword) and Fergie, she's an amazing Rock singer.

DJ Ashba's tone reminded me of Buckethead's tone. I though GN'R's 2011 and 2012 performances were better than the 2016 and 2021 performances, except I enjoyed the NITL Chinese Democracy more. I was not a GN'R fan until I heard the leaked Better in 2007 or so.

My understanding is he didn't like touring. Not sure as to why specifically, but there's a lot of things that make it unappealing to some. It's a big commitment, can be challenging if one has a family/wife/GF and/or pet(s), etc. Stage freight certainly can play a role, it's a lot of pressure to perform, and the traveling, customs/airport security is never fun, lots of temptations in that world as well, I'd imagine.

Yes, at least for the CD solos that Slash doesn't seem to care about. DJ doesn't deserve the level of hate he gets here. He's no Robin Finck, he's no Slash as far as the classic songs go, but he did a pretty good job on the CD stuff, and I'm certain he did his best on the classic stuff. I enjoy a lot of his work with Sixx:A.M. as well, so perhaps I'm biased.