axl666 Posted March 28, 2012 Share Posted March 28, 2012 I actually thinks that Axl works less than a week a year on new material. In fact, I guess some years hemight work less than a day. Which is a real shame given that he's working with such productive musicians Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
love&hates Posted March 28, 2012 Share Posted March 28, 2012 About a 2006 show "Sebastian tells me the next day, "Dude, I got a text from Axl that said.....Bumble just tried to kill half the band. I finally feel like I'm in a rock band again."hahahaha ! obviously , you arent in a real rock band until one of the guys tries to kill someone thats the first rule of rock and roll Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Georgy Zhukov Posted March 28, 2012 Share Posted March 28, 2012 (edited) Didn't Axl say Baz tends to get overexcited about things and tends to exaggerate? All we know from Baz is that the songs are awesome. Edited March 28, 2012 by BirdCatcher Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flayer Posted March 28, 2012 Share Posted March 28, 2012 Sorry = Doom metal!!Not what he said."There's this one song called ‘Sorry' that's almost like doom metal with Axl singing really clean over this grinding, slow beat that is fucking mean, I cannot get it out of my head."Almost like doom metal. A slow, heavy, drawn-out song. That's what he meant, and it's pretty much accurate.Or you can paraphrase it and make Sebastian Bach sound retarded, if you'd rather have more fun (probably is). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Young_Gun Posted March 28, 2012 Share Posted March 28, 2012 (edited) Sorry = Doom metal!!Not what he said."There's this one song called ‘Sorry' that's almost like doom metal with Axl singing really clean over this grinding, slow beat that is fucking mean, I cannot get it out of my head."Almost like doom metal. A slow, heavy, drawn-out song. That's what he meant, and it's pretty much accurate.Or you can paraphrase it and make Sebastian Bach sound retarded, if you'd rather have more fun (probably is).Regardless, it sounds nothing like how he described it. It's not almost doom metal and there is no grinding, slow beat. I would not even place is in the 'metal' genre or any of it's sub-genres. Edited March 28, 2012 by Young_Gun Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Georgy Zhukov Posted March 28, 2012 Share Posted March 28, 2012 About a 2006 show "Sebastian tells me the next day, "Dude, I got a text from Axl that said.....Bumble just tried to kill half the band. I finally feel like I'm in a rock band again."hahahaha ! obviously , you arent in a real rock band until one of the guys tries to kill someone thats the first rule of rock and roll Ron Thal is new Guns N' Roses Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flayer Posted March 28, 2012 Share Posted March 28, 2012 Sorry = Doom metal!!Not what he said."There's this one song called ‘Sorry' that's almost like doom metal with Axl singing really clean over this grinding, slow beat that is fucking mean, I cannot get it out of my head."Almost like doom metal. A slow, heavy, drawn-out song. That's what he meant, and it's pretty much accurate.Or you can paraphrase it and make Sebastian Bach sound retarded, if you'd rather have more fun (probably is).Regardless, it sounds nothing like how he described it. It's not almost doom metal and there is no grinding, slow beat. I would not even place is in the 'metal' genre or any of it's sub-genres.How do you know he didn't hear an earlier mix of it?Or if he'd only heard the song like twice or something and didn't have it fully in his head yet?Doom metal is not the best choice of words to describe the song, but it makes some amount of sense from the right perspective. It's easy to just laugh and think "Sebastian Bach is a moron," but I'm pretty sure he described it that way for a reason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Georgy Zhukov Posted March 28, 2012 Share Posted March 28, 2012 Maybe we are being typical GN'R fans and pay attention to every fucking word and in between the lines. Like how quick people were to think Ron said their focus is the already recorded tracks when he said he'd LIKE to do them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Young_Gun Posted March 28, 2012 Share Posted March 28, 2012 Sorry = Doom metal!!Not what he said."There's this one song called ‘Sorry' that's almost like doom metal with Axl singing really clean over this grinding, slow beat that is fucking mean, I cannot get it out of my head."Almost like doom metal. A slow, heavy, drawn-out song. That's what he meant, and it's pretty much accurate.Or you can paraphrase it and make Sebastian Bach sound retarded, if you'd rather have more fun (probably is).Regardless, it sounds nothing like how he described it. It's not almost doom metal and there is no grinding, slow beat. I would not even place is in the 'metal' genre or any of it's sub-genres.How do you know he didn't hear an earlier mix of it?Or if he'd only heard the song like twice or something and didn't have it fully in his head yet?Doom metal is not the best choice of words to describe the song, but it makes some amount of sense from the right perspective. It's easy to just laugh and think "Sebastian Bach is a moron," but I'm pretty sure he described it that way for a reason.Never said Bach was a moron. Although I dislike his loudmouth persona and his false sense of grandeur(he made a total ass of himself on Eddie Trunk's Twitter...), he is not a moron. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Georgy Zhukov Posted March 28, 2012 Share Posted March 28, 2012 Baz is not the most intelligent person in rock and roll, but one of the most spirited. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Voodoochild Posted March 28, 2012 Share Posted March 28, 2012 Had Riad not have leaked, it probably would have never been released... I think Riad was always on the list to be released on Chinese. It was always on the setlist before the album came out, actually. I don't know, I still have a theory: we got those leaks because they were the songs being considered to a release. If the story behind the first leaks of Better, IRS and TWAT is true, why do you think Axl was listening to them in night clubs? I think the late leaks like The Blues, Madagascar and Chinese came with it for the same reason. All of those songs were having mixing tests. What leaked in the Antiquiet site was probably Andy Wallace's version of Chinese Democracy mix that GNR camp had sent to Uni execs. Well, maybe Catcher in the Rye was there because it leaked, but the other songs I strongly doubt it. Afterall, The Blues, Chinese, Riad, Madagascar, Better, TWAT and IRS were all in the 2006 setlist, later added with Prostitute and If the World on the NA Tour. Why only these exactly same songs leaked in 2008 before the album got released? Why didn't we got all the other songs, like Shacklers, Scraped, Sorry and TIL (all of them heavily influenced by Caram and Axl in the mix) in the same batch? Or even some unknown/unheard new one like Atlas? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chloe Posted March 28, 2012 Share Posted March 28, 2012 Baz is not the most intelligent person in rock and roll, but one of the most spirited.Well said, Birdy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Georgy Zhukov Posted March 28, 2012 Share Posted March 28, 2012 Had Riad not have leaked, it probably would have never been released... I think Riad was always on the list to be released on Chinese. It was always on the setlist before the album came out, actually. I don't know, I still have a theory: we got those leaks because they were the songs being considered to a release. If the story behind the first leaks of Better, IRS and TWAT is true, why do you think Axl was listening to them in night clubs? I think the late leaks like The Blues, Madagascar and Chinese came with it for the same reason. All of those songs were having mixing tests. What leaked in the Antiquiet site was probably Andy Wallace's version of Chinese Democracy mix that GNR camp had sent to Uni execs. Well, maybe Catcher in the Rye was there because it leaked, but the other songs I strongly doubt it. Afterall, The Blues, Chinese, Riad, Madagascar, Better, TWAT and IRS were all in the 2006 setlist, later added with Prostitute and If the World on the NA Tour. Why only these exactly same songs leaked in 2008 before the album got released? Why didn't we got all the other songs, like Shacklers, Scraped, Sorry and TIL (all of them heavily influenced by Caram and Axl in the mix) in the same batch? Or even some unknown/unheard new one like Atlas?I think Axl was looking at the track listing and noticed there's too many ballads so he threw in Riad to even out the ballads and rockers. He didn't want to waste Soul Monster, General, Atlas and Checkmate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Voodoochild Posted March 28, 2012 Share Posted March 28, 2012 Had Riad not have leaked, it probably would have never been released... I think Riad was always on the list to be released on Chinese. It was always on the setlist before the album came out, actually. I don't know, I still have a theory: we got those leaks because they were the songs being considered to a release. If the story behind the first leaks of Better, IRS and TWAT is true, why do you think Axl was listening to them in night clubs? I think the late leaks like The Blues, Madagascar and Chinese came with it for the same reason. All of those songs were having mixing tests. What leaked in the Antiquiet site was probably Andy Wallace's version of Chinese Democracy mix that GNR camp had sent to Uni execs. Well, maybe Catcher in the Rye was there because it leaked, but the other songs I strongly doubt it. Afterall, The Blues, Chinese, Riad, Madagascar, Better, TWAT and IRS were all in the 2006 setlist, later added with Prostitute and If the World on the NA Tour. Why only these exactly same songs leaked in 2008 before the album got released? Why didn't we got all the other songs, like Shacklers, Scraped, Sorry and TIL (all of them heavily influenced by Caram and Axl in the mix) in the same batch? Or even some unknown/unheard new one like Atlas?I think Axl was looking at the track listing and noticed there's too many ballads so he threw in Riad to even out the ballads and rockers. He didn't want to waste Soul Monster, General, Atlas and Checkmate.He said he don't see those songs as 'ballads', as they all have mean parts. And I believe that Checkmate clip may be tricky and the rest of the song could be a complete different thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Georgy Zhukov Posted March 28, 2012 Share Posted March 28, 2012 Had Riad not have leaked, it probably would have never been released... I think Riad was always on the list to be released on Chinese. It was always on the setlist before the album came out, actually. I don't know, I still have a theory: we got those leaks because they were the songs being considered to a release. If the story behind the first leaks of Better, IRS and TWAT is true, why do you think Axl was listening to them in night clubs? I think the late leaks like The Blues, Madagascar and Chinese came with it for the same reason. All of those songs were having mixing tests. What leaked in the Antiquiet site was probably Andy Wallace's version of Chinese Democracy mix that GNR camp had sent to Uni execs. Well, maybe Catcher in the Rye was there because it leaked, but the other songs I strongly doubt it. Afterall, The Blues, Chinese, Riad, Madagascar, Better, TWAT and IRS were all in the 2006 setlist, later added with Prostitute and If the World on the NA Tour. Why only these exactly same songs leaked in 2008 before the album got released? Why didn't we got all the other songs, like Shacklers, Scraped, Sorry and TIL (all of them heavily influenced by Caram and Axl in the mix) in the same batch? Or even some unknown/unheard new one like Atlas?I think Axl was looking at the track listing and noticed there's too many ballads so he threw in Riad to even out the ballads and rockers. He didn't want to waste Soul Monster, General, Atlas and Checkmate.He said he don't see those songs as 'ballads', as they all have mean parts. And I believe that Checkmate clip may be tricky and the rest of the song could be a complete different thing.That is quite possibility, could be a goddamn Reggae song for all we know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Wicked Hand Posted March 28, 2012 Share Posted March 28, 2012 It would flow nicely into cut time kinda like raid. "'all my salvation" part.Man I wish axl would drop the heat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Young_Gun Posted March 29, 2012 Share Posted March 29, 2012 Had Riad not have leaked, it probably would have never been released... I think Riad was always on the list to be released on Chinese. It was always on the setlist before the album came out, actually. I don't know, I still have a theory: we got those leaks because they were the songs being considered to a release. If the story behind the first leaks of Better, IRS and TWAT is true, why do you think Axl was listening to them in night clubs? I think the late leaks like The Blues, Madagascar and Chinese came with it for the same reason. All of those songs were having mixing tests. What leaked in the Antiquiet site was probably Andy Wallace's version of Chinese Democracy mix that GNR camp had sent to Uni execs. Well, maybe Catcher in the Rye was there because it leaked, but the other songs I strongly doubt it. Afterall, The Blues, Chinese, Riad, Madagascar, Better, TWAT and IRS were all in the 2006 setlist, later added with Prostitute and If the World on the NA Tour. Why only these exactly same songs leaked in 2008 before the album got released? Why didn't we got all the other songs, like Shacklers, Scraped, Sorry and TIL (all of them heavily influenced by Caram and Axl in the mix) in the same batch? Or even some unknown/unheard new one like Atlas?Valid points actually. If the leaks emanating from being played in the night club then it's very possible those songs were on the short list for the final record. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Georgy Zhukov Posted March 29, 2012 Share Posted March 29, 2012 Axl leaked the songs on purpose. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Young_Gun Posted March 29, 2012 Share Posted March 29, 2012 Axl leaked the songs on purpose.Hmmmm I somewhat doubt that... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Georgy Zhukov Posted March 29, 2012 Share Posted March 29, 2012 He may have Just to see what people would think. If only the wrestler guy would just email me a file of the songs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Young_Gun Posted March 29, 2012 Share Posted March 29, 2012 He may have Just to see what people would think. If only the wrestler guy would just email me a file of the songs.I don't think he would release almost complete mixes to the public for free knowing how sacred and sought after any new material from Guns N' Roses(at the time) was. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Georgy Zhukov Posted March 29, 2012 Share Posted March 29, 2012 It is the same as streaming the entire album on MySpace which millions of people downloaded the album from the day before releasing the album. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cosmo Posted March 29, 2012 Share Posted March 29, 2012 Had Riad not have leaked, it probably would have never been released... I think Riad was always on the list to be released on Chinese. It was always on the setlist before the album came out, actually. I don't know, I still have a theory: we got those leaks because they were the songs being considered to a release. If the story behind the first leaks of Better, IRS and TWAT is true, why do you think Axl was listening to them in night clubs? I think the late leaks like The Blues, Madagascar and Chinese came with it for the same reason. All of those songs were having mixing tests. What leaked in the Antiquiet site was probably Andy Wallace's version of Chinese Democracy mix that GNR camp had sent to Uni execs. Well, maybe Catcher in the Rye was there because it leaked, but the other songs I strongly doubt it. Afterall, The Blues, Chinese, Riad, Madagascar, Better, TWAT and IRS were all in the 2006 setlist, later added with Prostitute and If the World on the NA Tour. Why only these exactly same songs leaked in 2008 before the album got released? Why didn't we got all the other songs, like Shacklers, Scraped, Sorry and TIL (all of them heavily influenced by Caram and Axl in the mix) in the same batch? Or even some unknown/unheard new one like Atlas?I think Axl was looking at the track listing and noticed there's too many ballads so he threw in Riad to even out the ballads and rockers. He didn't want to waste Soul Monster, General, Atlas and Checkmate.He said he don't see those songs as 'ballads', as they all have mean parts. And I believe that Checkmate clip may be tricky and the rest of the song could be a complete different thing.I always imagined Checkmate having calm verses and a similar structure to IRS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest gunns5 Posted March 29, 2012 Share Posted March 29, 2012 (edited) Bullshit Axl leaked the Songs on purpose, judging by what a band member said to me 2 years ago + Msl reading out the emails axl sent to the band member/s, he had no control over that. Edited March 29, 2012 by gunns5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Georgy Zhukov Posted March 29, 2012 Share Posted March 29, 2012 So why is Checkmate only 12 seconds? Why not leak the whole song? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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