Axl Rose not attending HOF

[rabia]

He should spend it on a spine.

You are clearly misinformed,nice try at "snarky sarcasm".

Yeah, yeah, misinformed.

Axl did not contribute even 1% to the breakup of the old band, everybody in the world is out to get him, behind the scenes the other guys are monsters. Yada Yada Yada. That cover all the bases for your personal agenda?

Because if Axl had said last week, "You know what, I'm going to go to this event and make the best of it," Dizzy still would have stayed home from his own Hall of Fame induction because despite being in Guns n' Roses for over 20 years, he still can't afford a $3000 ticket, right?

Why be inducted into a "group,club,fraternity etc" that goes against your personal convictions? I wouldn't sell a piece of my soul for a fucking award show,that is biased and based on fantasy and fallacy.

The HOF ceremony is embedded in a sinkhole of shit,people that should have been inducted aren't,and decisions/rules arbitrarily change for no viable reason.It's a money-making scam,and they got their "we used to be in GNR" concert.

So with all sincerety the RRHOF can fuck right off.

I don't think Axl's problem is with the RRHOF, he seemed extremely honored while inducting Elton, even mingling before/after as we've seen. Axl wanted any excuse to NOT deal with the guys he hates (old GnR). During his rambling explanation he worked himself and decided "the RRHOF doesn't respect me"....

He referred to his dealings with the RRHOF on the basis of which he came to this judgment. The only way you can hold forth on whether he's right or wrong in his view is if you have the precise details of his discussions with the RRHOF, which you dont.

Neither I (nor you or anyone on here) has "precise details" of anything.

That's why I'm not making claims about how Axl "worked himself into deciding that RRHOF didnt respect him". You, however, ARE making said claims.

the classic line up is really just nostalgia at this point.

Are the "classic" songs nostalgia now too?

If so...the current line up needs to have a staff meeting as soon as possible re: the set list.

New tour gearing up..

Onward from here and all that...right?

Sure, the classic songs are nostalgia, many people have old memories associated with them. But all bands play their old songs - nobody says, oh we've got another album out, lets ditch everything we did before. So why would GN'R do that?

Well geeze,since this section is all about denouncing everything the band stood for pre 1993...I thought some of you guys would be all over the idea of "new songs only" during the upcoming tour.No need for nostalgia on any level...right?

Please, show me the post/posts and the poster who "denounces everything pre-93". I'm soo looking forward to that mystery being solved, these phantoms that disturb you so yet make posts that nobody can actually find. But I'm sure you're up to the task, right? Lets see who you come up with.

[droezle]

We were just put off by Ron saying how they haven't even rephearsed new songs for the tour. All they have is a new version of Oh My God.

No, realy?

[Angeles_]

Why da fuck Axl stopped here in 2008 if he doesn't care?

Why play 3hours? He can play 90 min like other bands....

Why he wrote the letter? because of us.

He stopped here in 2008 to rant about his obsession Slash! Also some consider the rants in 2008 and the so called interview with DJ promotion for CD.

The 3 hours on stage take out the time the other members are performing in those 3 hours and then add up the time Axl is actually on stage.

He knew he was not going in January he told a reporter, Steven Tyler, and a room full of party goers that he hated Slash and would not be going. He then drafted a letter and published it a few days ago making it look like he had just come to the decision. By that time it had nothing to do with the fans it was an excuse.

Oh, so the countless questions from fans that he answered about CD, his favorite books, hobbies etc etc were all coded messages about Slash too, then?

Is promotion of CD is an anti-fan move? The current appearance of Slash on the HOF was all about promoting his upcoming album too, right?

Why is it a bad thing to give other members the time to present their chops in their solos? Axl stepped off-stage in the old days as well. In no way does it change the fact that he DOES work hard to make a 3 hour show happen. He could do a 90 minute show and STILL take time away from stage and nobody would be able to stop him.

1, It wasnt a "reporter", it was a gossip writer who has previously gone through an embarrassing scandal based on unprofessional behaviour.

2, There's no verification from Steven Tyler or other supposed witnesses. 3,

One could have an initial disinclination not to attend a show and then go through several stages of re-consideration, talking to the HOF people etc. So you have no evidence to prove your "excuse" claim.

hey sleeper .. how don't you feel ashamed ?? .. blatantly lying ... and flee when someone shows the truth in your face

you're a fan of a liar ... maybe this is the reason

[dario27]

"life doesn't owe you your happy ending"

is that aimed to fans? wouldn't that mean he doesn't care about his fans?.

tbh i don't care if he reunites or not, it was just a celebration for the past of the band and an opportunity to officialize closure, but Axl sometimes ovethinks stuff and contradicts himself bad.

Edited April 16, 2012 by dario27

[Chris 55]

Axl is honest and I respect that. The Hof isn't about the fans it's about promoting cd sales and book sales.

Same with the MTV Awards which he's played/appeared at to promote his stuff. It's called the "Music BUSINESS" for a reason.

I think he cares. If he didn't he wouldn't have come on this board and others and answered a ton of questions. He could have just put out an open letter when CD was released but he didn't.

[Patience 4 Axl]

Axl is honest and I respect that. The Hof isn't about the fans it's about promoting cd sales and book sales.

The only sales pitch I saw involving anything with the HOF was Axl mentioning his own tour in his letter. Guess I missed all those other advertisements and promos for books and cd's.

[sleeper]

Why da fuck Axl stopped here in 2008 if he doesn't care?

Why play 3hours? He can play 90 min like other bands....

Why he wrote the letter? because of us.

He stopped here in 2008 to rant about his obsession Slash! Also some consider the rants in 2008 and the so called interview with DJ promotion for CD.

The 3 hours on stage take out the time the other members are performing in those 3 hours and then add up the time Axl is actually on stage.

He knew he was not going in January he told a reporter, Steven Tyler, and a room full of party goers that he hated Slash and would not be going. He then drafted a letter and published it a few days ago making it look like he had just come to the decision. By that time it had nothing to do with the fans it was an excuse.

Oh, so the countless questions from fans that he answered about CD, his favorite books, hobbies etc etc were all coded messages about Slash too, then?

Is promotion of CD is an anti-fan move? The current appearance of Slash on the HOF was all about promoting his upcoming album too, right?

Why is it a bad thing to give other members the time to present their chops in their solos? Axl stepped off-stage in the old days as well. In no way does it change the fact that he DOES work hard to make a 3 hour show happen. He could do a 90 minute show and STILL take time away from stage and nobody would be able to stop him.

1, It wasnt a "reporter", it was a gossip writer who has previously gone through an embarrassing scandal based on unprofessional behaviour.

2, There's no verification from Steven Tyler or other supposed witnesses. 3,

One could have an initial disinclination not to attend a show and then go through several stages of re-consideration, talking to the HOF people etc. So you have no evidence to prove your "excuse" claim.

hey sleeper .. how don't you feel ashamed ?? .. blatantly lying ... and flee when someone shows the truth in your face

you're a fan of a liar ... maybe this is the reason

No I don't feel ashamed and no one showed me anything. My opionin of what Rabia said is shit! Axl is the liar, not only is a he liar he is a coward. To damn scared to face Slash. So he lied to get out of going.

Edited April 16, 2012 by sleeper

[dalsh327]

"life doesn't owe you your happy ending"

is that aimed to fans? wouldn't that mean he doesn't care about his fans?.

tbh i don't care if he reunites or not, it was just a celebration for the past of the band and an opportunity to officialize closure, but Axl sometimes ovethinks stuff and contradicts himself bad.

In reality, there was no buildup to a reunion at the Rock Hall. We all speculated all sorts of scenarios, but if he actually showed up? That would have been a huge shock to everyone.

And they need to reinforce Rod Stewart, & Adam Yauch were too sick to go, and John Frusciante pretty much did what Izzy did - didn't feel like going. So you had 5 no-shows, and Laura Nyro died in the mid 90s.

[rabia]

Why da fuck Axl stopped here in 2008 if he doesn't care?

Why play 3hours? He can play 90 min like other bands....

Why he wrote the letter? because of us.

He stopped here in 2008 to rant about his obsession Slash! Also some consider the rants in 2008 and the so called interview with DJ promotion for CD.

The 3 hours on stage take out the time the other members are performing in those 3 hours and then add up the time Axl is actually on stage.

He knew he was not going in January he told a reporter, Steven Tyler, and a room full of party goers that he hated Slash and would not be going. He then drafted a letter and published it a few days ago making it look like he had just come to the decision. By that time it had nothing to do with the fans it was an excuse.

Oh, so the countless questions from fans that he answered about CD, his favorite books, hobbies etc etc were all coded messages about Slash too, then?

Is promotion of CD is an anti-fan move? The current appearance of Slash on the HOF was all about promoting his upcoming album too, right?

Why is it a bad thing to give other members the time to present their chops in their solos? Axl stepped off-stage in the old days as well. In no way does it change the fact that he DOES work hard to make a 3 hour show happen. He could do a 90 minute show and STILL take time away from stage and nobody would be able to stop him.

1, It wasnt a "reporter", it was a gossip writer who has previously gone through an embarrassing scandal based on unprofessional behaviour.

2, There's no verification from Steven Tyler or other supposed witnesses. 3,

One could have an initial disinclination not to attend a show and then go through several stages of re-consideration, talking to the HOF people etc. So you have no evidence to prove your "excuse" claim.

hey sleeper .. how don't you feel ashamed ?? .. blatantly lying ... and flee when someone shows the truth in your face

you're a fan of a liar ... maybe this is the reason

No I don't feel ashamed and no one showed me anything. My opionin of what Rabia said is shit! Axl is the liar, not only is a he liar he is a coward. To damn scared to face Slash. So he lied to get out of going.

Yeah, that answers all the points I raised. Its not your opinion that matters here - its the facts that simply aren't on your side.

Slash is a fire-breathing monster, that's why everybody is afraid of him. Or he's very handsy and takes liberties with people he meets and Axl doesnt want him to get too touchy-feelly with him, so he avoids Slash.

[vaida]

We were just put off by Ron saying how they haven't even rephearsed new songs for the tour. All they have is a new version of Oh My God.

No, realy?

Havn't they got four weeks before the Chinese tour continues on its way.

Given the set list, I doubt they need more practice. Its been same old same old for the past 10+ years.

They really need to look towards creating something new.

Edited April 17, 2012 by vaida

[AGS]

And the new song Going Down, Ron confirmed its a new song

"Going Down" is a song written by Axl which Bumblefoot described as "earthy", in the meaning of "organic" in contrast to "instrumental".

Edited April 17, 2012 by AGS

[spunko12345]

He should spend it on a spine.

You are clearly misinformed,nice try at "snarky sarcasm".

Yeah, yeah, misinformed.

Axl did not contribute even 1% to the breakup of the old band, everybody in the world is out to get him, behind the scenes the other guys are monsters. Yada Yada Yada. That cover all the bases for your personal agenda?

Because if Axl had said last week, "You know what, I'm going to go to this event and make the best of it," Dizzy still would have stayed home from his own Hall of Fame induction because despite being in Guns n' Roses for over 20 years, he still can't afford a $3000 ticket, right?

Why be inducted into a "group,club,fraternity etc" that goes against your personal convictions? I wouldn't sell a piece of my soul for a fucking award show,that is biased and based on fantasy and fallacy.

The HOF ceremony is embedded in a sinkhole of shit,people that should have been inducted aren't,and decisions/rules arbitrarily change for no viable reason.It's a money-making scam,and they got their "we used to be in GNR" concert.

So with all sincerety the RRHOF can fuck right off.

If Axl had shown up, all the Axl Apologists would have been saying the RRHOF was the greatest honor ever. Lol

Exactly. Just like they were when it was announced and Axl said thanks for the honour on Twitter. I dont remember RRHOF being so evil then.

And now we have a situation where people are saying " I wouldn't sell a piece of my soul for a fucking award show,that is biased and based on fantasy and fallacy."

Oh please, really dont be so dramatic about it. It was meant to be an honour and a positive thing but as usual its turned into a big evil monster.

Just like the Dr Pepper was just a bit of fun and then Axl went and sucked every last drop of fun and positivity by initially getting onboard and then threatening to sue, then the Axl maniacs suddenly hated Dr Pepper.

[rabia]

the classic line up is really just nostalgia at this point.

Are the "classic" songs nostalgia now too?

If so...the current line up needs to have a staff meeting as soon as possible re: the set list.

New tour gearing up..

Onward from here and all that...right?

Please, show me the post/posts and the poster who "denounces everything pre-93". I'm soo looking forward to that mystery being solved, these phantoms that disturb you so yet make posts that nobody can actually find. But I'm sure you're up to the task, right?

[droezle]

We were just put off by Ron saying how they haven't even rephearsed new songs for the tour. All they have is a new version of Oh My God.

No, realy?

Havn't they got four weeks before the Chinese tour continues on its way.

Given the set list, I doubt they need more practice. Its been same old same old for the past 10+ years.

They really need to look towards creating something new.

And it will stay so during the following years.

[SoulMonster]

Are the "classic" songs nostalgia now too?

If so...the current line up needs to have a staff meeting as soon as possible re: the set list.

New tour gearing up..

Onward from here and all that...right?

Of course playing songs that are more then 20 years old are nostalgia. But why would this be a problem to Guns N' Roses? The fans demand to hear the old classics, and when playing 3 hour shows they have plenty of time to playing both nostalgia songs, new songs, covers and solos. Everybody wins.

Any lineup of Guns N' Roses, whether it is the current lineup or a reunited lineup with former members, would have to be mostly a nostalgia act in 2012. It is a direct consequence of having a strong back catalogue. It's no more an argument against the current lineup that it is against a reunited lineup. In fact, a reunited lineup would be a complete nostalgia act and a complete cash-grab thing.

[droezle]

Are the "classic" songs nostalgia now too?

If so...the current line up needs to have a staff meeting as soon as possible re: the set list.

New tour gearing up..

Onward from here and all that...right?

Of course playing songs that are more then 20 years old are nostalgia. But why would this be a problem to Guns N' Roses? The fans demand to hear the old classics, and when playing 3 hour shows they have plenty of time to playing both nostalgia songs, new songs, covers and solos. Everybody wins.

If Axl wants to profile the current G N' R as a new band than he has to lay the past behind and move forward. At this moment they depend too hard on the old songs imo, songs that have nothing to do with this incarnation of the band. As long G N' R exist people want to hear the classic songs but sooner or later this has to stop. New band, new sound, new songs.

[SoulMonster]

Are the "classic" songs nostalgia now too?

If so...the current line up needs to have a staff meeting as soon as possible re: the set list.

New tour gearing up..

Onward from here and all that...right?

Of course playing songs that are more then 20 years old are nostalgia. But why would this be a problem to Guns N' Roses? The fans demand to hear the old classics, and when playing 3 hour shows they have plenty of time to playing both nostalgia songs, new songs, covers and solos. Everybody wins.

If Axl wants to profile the current G N' R as a new band than he has to lay the past behind and move forward. At this moment they depend too hard on the old songs imo, songs that have nothing to do with this incarnation of the band. As long G N' R exist people want to hear the classic songs but sooner or later this has to stop. New band, new sound, new songs.

Why do you think he wants to profile GN'R as a new band? I am sure he considers it as a continuation of an old band, as it is. If he wanted to create a new band he surely would have abandoned Guns N' Roses and founded a new band with a different name. During the UCAP tour they play 5-7 new songs per night, that is more than usual considering the popular back catalogue of the band and the fact that it is now more than three years since the release of CD. This could only be achieved by playing mammoth sets of almost 3 hours so that the old songs could be played, too.

Concert audiences will never stop wanting to hear songs from AFD, Lies and UYI untill people who were young in the 80s and 90s stop going to concerts. Hopefully Axl will release more music in the future, and thus be able to reduce the amount of classics, but untill then, the fact that he plays long sets that include both the classics, the new songs, covers and solos, are an amazing gift to the audiences.

[mustaine]

In Defense Of... Axl Rose skipping the Hall of Fame Induction Ceremony

By Colin McGuire 17 April 2012

I’ve never particularly liked Guns N’ Roses. Maybe it’s because I never really bought into the whole hair metal or power rock thing throughout the late ‘80s and early ‘90s, but I’ve always been a little dumbfounded at how much praise those guys continue to receive. No, Appetite for Destruction or the Use Your Illusion albums didn’t reinvent the wheel, nor did they offer up anything we hadn’t already heard before. They were just records that gained more popularity than their contemporaries, records made by a band whose members hated each other so much that they never even had the opportunity to tarnish their legacy by jumping at the thought of a nostalgia-packed reunion tour for a few extra bucks.

In fact, that discord is probably a big part of the reason why Guns N’ Roses continuously go down in some type of fantastical allure to a lot of music fans. Lead singer Axl Rose has never claimed to be the most pleasant person on the planet, and his penchant for public arguments with basically anyone in his peripheral has added a layer to the group as a whole that makes them a more intriguing act to follow than, say, Motley Crue or Poison, two similar bands that continue to tarnish the shiny, sex-drugs-rock-‘n’-roll legacy they left behind a couple decades ago. Sure, one might argue that Axl can screech a little better than the best of them, and yeah, Slash is sort of a neat character to contemplate in the annals of power rock history, but the reality here is that nobody in Guns N’ Roses is going to be up for a Gershwin Prize any time soon.

Are they the worst band in the world? Of course not. But do they deserve the amount of praise—an amount that seemingly lands somewhere between Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart and the Beatles—they somehow continue to receive with every spin of “November Rain” in every dive bar in the middle of every section of every nowhere in the world? My God, no.

That’s why when it was announced months ago that the group was going to be inducted into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame, I merely shrugged my shoulders and breathed a sigh of relief knowing that Laura Nyro finally got the credit she’s always deserved. Who cares, really? We all knew Guns N’ Roses would land in the Hall of Fame eventually, anyways, if only because of the constant admiration thrust upon them from every writer or critic who has ever laid pen to paper, so to speak. The announcement was more of a formality than anything, and since Genesis somehow landed a spot in the room a couple years ago, my interest in each subsequent class has waned considerably.

And then last week happened.

As we all know by now, Axl took to the Interwebs to address the possibility of a reunion at the induction ceremony on Saturday night by penning an open letter to the Hall (“Axl’s Letter”) ...

“When the nominations for the Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame were first announced I had mixed emotions but, in an effort to be positive, wanting to make the most of things for the fans and with their enthusiasm, I was honored, excited and hoped that somehow this would be a good thing. Of course I realized as things stood, if Guns N’ Roses were to be inducted it’d be somewhat of a complicated or awkward situation,” he wrote.

“Since then we’ve listened to fans, talked with members of the board of the Hall Of Fame, communicated with and read various public comments and jabs from former members of Guns N’ Roses, had discussions with the president of the Hall Of Fame, read various press (some legit, some contrived) and read other artists’ comments weighing in publicly on Guns and the Hall with their thoughts.

Under the circumstances I feel we’ve been polite, courteous, and open to an amicable solution in our efforts to work something out. Taking into consideration the history of Guns N’ Roses, those who plan to attend along with those the Hall for reasons of their own, have chosen to include in ‘our’ induction (that for the record are decisions I don’t agree with, support or feel the Hall has any right to make), and how (albeit no easy task) those involved with the Hall have handled things… no offense meant to anyone but the Hall Of Fame Induction Ceremony doesn’t appear to be somewhere I’m actually wanted or respected.

For the record, I would not begrudge anyone from Guns their accomplishments or recognition for such. Neither I or anyone in my camp has made any requests or demands of the Hall Of Fame. It’s their show not mine.

That said, I won’t be attending The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame Induction 2012 Ceremony and I respectfully decline my induction as a member of Guns N’ Roses to the Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame”.

And boom goes the dynamite.

If you haven’t read it by now, the rest of the letter goes on to address a few more concerns he continues to have regarding his band. A few typos appear. A P.S. marker is added after his name in somewhat of an awkward gesture, considering the tone of his essay. And the word “ya” is frequently used in reference to the word “you”.

Naturally, the decision to skip the weekend’s ceremony was met with criticism and anger.

“Frontman Axl Rose composes a surprisingly cogent — though, nevertheless, staggeringly wrongheaded — letter declining to participate in Guns n’ Roses’ upcoming 2012 induction into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame”, the website Something Else wrote (“Are they still Guns n’ Roses?”, 11 April 2012).

“He’ll think, ‘I should have done it’”, Ronnie Wood of the Rolling Stones and the Small Faces/Faces (who were also inducted Saturday) told The Associated Press. “Drop all the qualms and all the differences.” (“Ronnie Wood: ‘Axl Rose will regret skipping ..”, NME, 14 April 2012)

... But I’m not so sure that’s the case.

Rose’s letter was surprising because of its unexpected thoughtfulness. It’s clear that at some point, Slash and Axl—the two most celebrated members of the classic lineup—had a falling out. Slash continues to remain flippant in present day interviews about the rift, recently saying that “he doesn’t even know” why Axl “hates his guts” and that “it’s over a lot of different stuff”. The singer, meanwhile, has called the guitarist “a cancer” in the past. (“Slash: ‘Axl Rose Hates My Guts’” Rolling Stone, 2 April 2012), So, yeah, we get it. Axl and Slash don’t get along and the possibility of them getting on a stage together to perform ever again is as unlikely as Lana Del Ray (Axl’s rumored current girlfriend) putting out an album that actually lives up to the hype she once enjoyed.

And with that in mind, we must ask the following: Why are so many people seemingly so quick to begrudge this move?

For once, Rose did something by writing that letter that he’s almost never publicly done before—he showed an ability to act responsible. He knew that no matter how many good intentions everybody involved may have had before the evening, his presence would ultimately result in a visible mess of ego and baggage that has been begging to boil over for decades now. He clearly took a look at the gaping hole of a difference between the risk level and the reward level and rationally decided against a situation that had all the ingredients to be contentious if not embarrassing.

To argue that he was merely being stubborn and child-like is unfair if not unfounded. Granted, he’s never been one to play nice in the past, but the backlash he received for opting not to attend Saturday’s ceremony proved to be both reactionary and irresponsible.

“The five-and-a-half hour show wrapped up at 1:30 a.m., and as the crowd poured onto the Cleveland streets in search of their cars or an after party, not a single person was talking about Axl Rose”, Rolling Stone‘s Andy Green wrote, “It turns out they didn’t even need him”. (“Guns N’ Roses, Chili Peppers Bring Magic to Rock and Roll Hall of Fame Induction, 15 April 2012)

Wait a second. Who’s that dude at the head of the increasingly irrelevant Rock and Roll Hall of Fame, again? You know—the one who insisted on organizing a series of made-for-TV “Hall of Fame” concerts a couple years ago that ultimately proved to be nothing more than a series of giant “Hey, look at how many friends I have” reminders. And—wait—what mainstream rock magazine did that guy begin publishing decades ago, again? Ahh, that’s right. Diss the Hall, and the Hall—along with all its unquestionably massive reach—will diss you right back.

But back to Axl. Interestingly enough, his decision to skip the ceremony, when dissected objectively, actually had the ability to teach Guns N’ Roses fans a lesson. When considered thoroughly, one must ask the question of why most fans ultimately wanted to see the group unite for this one evening in the first place. Would it be for a reunited performance? Probably. Would it be to celebrate the victory lap that being inducted into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame proves to be? That might be a little part of the reason. But most importantly, would the desire to see something like this occur have an undercurrent laced with a sentiment completely immersed in unpredictability? Of course it would.

And that’s precisely why Axl was justified in saying “no” to the Hall. Everyone’s unshakable quench for seeing things blow up drove the desire to see this band get back together for one night. Even the most dedicated of fans unquestionably knew that getting them all in a room together had just as much potential to result in something ultimately degrading and humiliating, yet the cry for them to “suck it up and do so” was loud and clear. Such an argument is selfish for reasons both un-pure and ignorant, considering the people making those arguments more than likely have a good grasp on exactly how much hatred lies between the lead singer and the rest of his band.

You can argue that Guns N’ Roses hasn’t been Guns N’ Roses for a while now, and you’d probably be correct. Axl Rose assembling a band of players every couple years to reclaim its spot as the best Guns N’ Roses tribute band in the world is a far cry from seeing the original members gather onstage with pianos, top hats and enough pyro to outshine the sun. But the one thing you can’t do is argue that it’s a good and/or productive idea to force a proverbial square peg into a proverbial round hole if the peg feels the hole isn’t ready. Sure, it might be a site to remember, but at what point do you begin to question the reasons that site was forced upon us in the first place, especially if you claim to be an uber-fan of what that site entails?

Ultimately, not showing up for the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame induction ceremony was probably the most rock and roll thing Axl Rose could have done. More importantly, though, it was also the most pragmatic and judicious action the bad boy lead singer may have ever offered publicly throughout his oftentimes ridiculed musical career.

And you don’t have to be a fan of Guns N’ Roses to appreciate that.

http://www.popmatters.com/pm/column/157293-in-defense-of-...-axl-rose-skipping-the-hall-of-fame-induction-cerem/

[GunsNRevolvers2]

Only thing that irks me is this guy calling GnR Hair Metal/Power Rock ..when they are a Blues Hard Rock band

Other than that, he's got a great point, although I think I can see his ego all the way from here, seems kind of like a pretentious douchebag

[mustaine]

Only thing that irks me is this guy calling GnR Hair Metal/Power Rock ..when they are a Blues Hard Rock band

Other than that, he's got a great point, although I think I can see his ego all the way from here, seems kind of like a pretentious douchebag

That Hair Metal/Power Rock line annoyed me too and the writer seems to be full of himself but I kept on reading and he made a good point regardless.

[The Archer]

In Defense Of... Axl Rose skipping the Hall of Fame Induction Ceremony

By Colin McGuire 17 April 2012

Even the most dedicated of fans unquestionably knew that getting them all in a room together had just as much potential to result in something ultimately degrading and humiliating, yet the cry for them to “suck it up and do so” was loud and clear. Such an argument is selfish for reasons both un-pure and ignorant, considering the people making those arguments more than likely have a good grasp on exactly how much hatred lies between the lead singer and the rest of his band.

http://www.popmatters.com/pm/column/157293-in-defense-of-...-axl-rose-skipping-the-hall-of-fame-induction-cerem/

Hell, NO!!! Really???

And I thought that all those dedicated fans just wanted to see Axl and the classic lineup get back together for old times sake and for the sake of the fans...

[KiraMPD]

But the one thing you can’t do is argue that it’s a good and/or productive idea to force a proverbial square peg into a proverbial round hole if the peg feels the hole isn’t ready.

My fav quote of the day.

[GunsNRevolvers2]

Only thing that irks me is this guy calling GnR Hair Metal/Power Rock ..when they are a Blues Hard Rock band

Other than that, he's got a great point, although I think I can see his ego all the way from here, seems kind of like a pretentious douchebag

That Hair Metal/Power Rock line annoyed me too and the writer seems to be full of himself but I kept on reading and he made a good point regardless.

Exactly, "full of himself" = "pretentious douchebag" hahaha

Seems like the kind of guy that thinks The Black Keys are the best thing since sliced bread, great band, I love em' but thats the vibe I get

[dalsh327]

Here's what RRHOF committee member and Treyvon activist as of late, Toure Tweeted this out the night of the induction. Felt it was worth reading, as he's part of the decision making process.

To people saying "Axl is/was a dick," I say, So what? Rock history is filled with dicks, miscreants & immoral pricks. We judge on the music. It's impossible to argue that GnR was not one of the greatest rock bands of their era. Stop trying. You're playing yourself. There's nothing silly about commemorating the history of modem music. The Rock Hall is a valuable cultural organ.Yes Nirvana subsumed GnR. So what? No one lasts forever. Every group gets overtaken eventually. After a while the audience retires you.

Some said if Axl was so great then where's his post GnR career. Dumb point. Do you downgrade Paul McCartney because Wings isn't the Beatles? It's surprising, given the historic anti-establishment mood of rock, that more stars don't reject induction into the Hall. But very few do. (Howard Stern mentioned this too).

Gn'R was a band. And they've been inducted as a band. But trying to downgrade Axl bc of his post GnR career is silly.

Joe Levy to Toure (all non quotes are Toure)- "You compared Axl post-Gn'R to McCartney post-Beatles. But McCartney had hits! He killed on '70s radio solo and with Wings."

I love Wings. I just think downgrading one band/talent bc of another band makes no sense. Axl's legacy is clear from GnR. It's not like someone somehow loses legacy points accrued in one band bc of a lesser showing in a subsequent band. I believe that once a musician puts points on the legacy board via great music nothing takes them off.

Ann Powers, NPR "To me, GnR's inclusion in the Rock Hall is a no-brainer. Best non-Pacific NW rock band of the late 20th c." T: Agreed. "Not that y'all asked me but I think the only fair Axl comparison is Jim Morrison."

Some people who aren't critics have a hard time dissociating "Not my cup of tea" from any evaluation of quality. just cuz you don't like it doesn't mean it sucks. There's got to be more to an evaluation of art than that.

By disdaining the Rock Hall, Axl gets to eat his cake & have it, too. He disses it, retaining rock cred, & gets in, gaining immortalization. By dissing induction Axl keeps all focus on him, diminishing attention on the band without showing up, thus looming larger than them.

@Activecultures "Are artists inducted for sustained achievement, or impact/effect on music?" Latter much more important than former.

Axl's disavowal is good for the Rock Hall. A little controversy spruces up the place. Keeps it rock. Axl said no. We inducted him anyway.

Fan: "Axl is a talentless bore who shouldn't have been nominated anyways." License suspended

Fan: "Axl is the defining member of GNR. Slash can be duplicated, Axl cannot. " Slash can be what??? Speeding ticket

Fan: "I have a ton of respect for Axl but OMG why are all the awesome artists so tortured?" Human law

Fan: "Just like w sports some are shoo-ins, some are no-gos, some are grey area. you could argue Axl's in 3rd category" No way. 1st.

People are missing a point about Axl. Musicians need not prove their greatness by succeeding with two groups. One is enough.

Fan "RRHOF should have acknowledged the current lineup of GNR. Easy out for Axl b/c of that " Joe Levy "Fair point. But they never do that. They honor the band on the record acknowledged by the induction."

And then Future Rock Legends started calling out the Rock Hall on their inconsistencies on band members inducted like Trujillo or Klinghoffer, who's the youngest inducted member of the RRHOF.

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I think Axl may have blown up at the Hall no matter what he agreed to do. It would be way to artificial a situation. In someways he classed it up and stepped aside to let everyone have their night.

Imagine if that letter was his speech at the ceremony.