axlrosefan4life Posted May 8, 2014 Share Posted May 8, 2014 $15 tops for the cd is what it should be. I agree $50 is high. Hopefully it works out and we get this Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
systronic Posted May 9, 2014 Share Posted May 9, 2014 Wow, $30 for 2 people to eat dinner at McDonalds? I guess that's the only good thing about living in Mississippi, 6-8 people could eat at McDonalds here for $30.Best of luck with the Kickstarter project though. I'd love to hear the songs, but I'll roll the dice and grab the disc if it ever hits Amazon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gunsguy Posted May 9, 2014 Share Posted May 9, 2014 Only 28 backers and about $1300 donated. Not looking good fellas....this is looking alot like rockfuel 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
willl Posted May 9, 2014 Share Posted May 9, 2014 Not to keep beating a dead horse as I said the same in one of the other Rapidfire threads, but Kevins asking price for this CD is still ridiculous. If he offered a $5-10 Digital Download option he would raise the $20,000 in no time at all thanks to casual/curious GNR fans, but as it stands I doubt we'll be hearing this as there aren't enough diehards willing to waste money on a project which previous experience tells us is doomed to fail. Does Kevin realise that he could potentially get exposure for this project to hundreds of thousands of casual GNR fans if he is listed on the Kickstarter.com homepage? He's unlikely to get that exposure unless the project picks up enough backers of its own merit.I am keen to hear this music, and I know I have between 10-20 casual fans on my friends list at Bassfuck who would throw in $5 too. I haven't bothered posting this there (or the chopaway twitter account) though because it is a lost cause imo currently, and frankly I don't want to influence friends/family to waste $65 on something I am not confident will be released. If it were only $5 I wouldn't be so fussy as friends/family wouldn't really care either way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D-GenerationX Posted May 9, 2014 Share Posted May 9, 2014 He has seriously overestimated the supposed demand for this. Go read his 30 page missive on his site. He talks like this could have stood alongside other alltime great rock tracks from the 80s. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThinkAboutYou Posted May 9, 2014 Share Posted May 9, 2014 Only 28 backers and about $1300 donated. Not looking good fellas....Have to agree Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
highvoltage Posted May 9, 2014 Share Posted May 9, 2014 Well Kevin, if you don't meet your goal this time - will you consider running another Kickstarter that's structured a bit more reasonably?I firmly believe you could have raised at least 10-15k if there were cheaper tiers available and you'd done things differently. I know it must be a bit disappointing to have a lukewarm reaction, but this thread alone has almost 5000 views. The interest is there, but you need to work on what you're actually going to deliver (hint: aim for LESS, ditch the vinyl printing and photo books) and the price you deliver it at.Just as a start, you could: - Set up a website or some kind of e-publication that tries to recreate what you were planning to do with the photos and "80's LA Scene"- Digital download option for $10 (or even $5, you'd be surprised how many more people would be willing to part with this amount)- Physical album (no photos) - $25- Deluxe album (with Rapidfire flyer, photos, other extras) - $50- Premium collectors edition (Everything in previous + rapidfire poster/tee/whatever + name on CD + copy is signed) - $100Then some stupid tiers for people with more money than sense:- Lunch with Kevin in LA where you take the time to share some stories from the old days - $200- A piece of the recording equipment used for the sessions or something else with considerable historical significance if you have it - $500I think if you offered tiers like this that are simple and easy to understand, as well as adding the $5 or $10 digital option - you would have considerably more success. I know I'd probably stump up $50 if it looked more like that. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThinkAboutYou Posted May 9, 2014 Share Posted May 9, 2014 Vinyl is a cool item to haveThe digital download is a good idea and easy to set up and beats posting items worldwide I would say $9.99 would be reasonable Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gibbo Posted May 9, 2014 Share Posted May 9, 2014 (edited) Well Kevin, if you don't meet your goal this time - will you consider running another Kickstarter that's structured a bit more reasonably?I firmly believe you could have raised at least 10-15k if there were cheaper tiers available and you'd done things differently. I know it must be a bit disappointing to have a lukewarm reaction, but this thread alone has almost 5000 views. The interest is there, but you need to work on what you're actually going to deliver (hint: aim for LESS, ditch the vinyl printing and photo books) and the price you deliver it at.Just as a start, you could: - Set up a website or some kind of e-publication that tries to recreate what you were planning to do with the photos and "80's LA Scene"- Digital download option for $10 (or even $5, you'd be surprised how many more people would be willing to part with this amount)- Physical album (no photos) - $25- Deluxe album (with Rapidfire flyer, photos, other extras) - $50- Premium collectors edition (Everything in previous + rapidfire poster/tee/whatever + name on CD + copy is signed) - $100Then some stupid tiers for people with more money than sense:- Lunch with Kevin in LA where you take the time to share some stories from the old days - $200- A piece of the recording equipment used for the sessions or something else with considerable historical significance if you have it - $500I think if you offered tiers like this that are simple and easy to understand, as well as adding the $5 or $10 digital option - you would have considerably more success. I know I'd probably stump up $50 if it looked more like that.I dont think you'll see him back on here in a hurry but it sounds like he needs the money. https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/rapidfire/rapidfire-the-first-recordings-of-bill-bailey-aka/comments Edited May 9, 2014 by Gibbo 27 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
highvoltage Posted May 9, 2014 Share Posted May 9, 2014 Vinyl is a cool item to haveThe digital download is a good idea and easy to set up and beats posting items worldwide I would say $9.99 would be reasonableVinyl is very cool, but whether he can include it really depends on how many copies he has to print and what sort of money he can get it done for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Gunns Posted May 9, 2014 Share Posted May 9, 2014 has the guy done any press releases or anything helping to get some exposure or promote it on a bigger scale then what he's done currently?Granted not a lot of the general public would care, but more would buy it then what are currently if he could just promote it more... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThinkAboutYou Posted May 9, 2014 Share Posted May 9, 2014 it needs to be picked up by blabbermouth news it also needs to be a sticky on all the GNR forums to reach the $20,000 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhazUp Posted May 9, 2014 Share Posted May 9, 2014 (edited) Sure it would be kind of cool to hear the demos but just like the Hollywood Rose tapes I personally would probably hear them a few times, remark to myself how far Axl progressed between then and 1986/87, and then not play the demos ever again. I think that there has been some serious over-estimating regarding the true value of these demos. These demos are a novelty item - they are the equivalent to an old coke can in a antique shop. Only the most hardcore GNR fans would even be clued in to these songs being released let alone being interested enough in them to donate money or to buy the demos when they are released Edited May 9, 2014 by WhazUp 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rovim Posted May 9, 2014 Share Posted May 9, 2014 Sure it would be kind of cool to hear the demos but just like the Hollywood Rose tapes I personally would probably hear them a few times, remark to myself how far Axl progressed between then and 1986/87, and then not play the demos ever again. I think that there has been some serious over-estimating regarding the true value of these demos. These demos are a novelty item - they are the equivalent to an old coke can in a antique shop. Only the most hardcore GNR fans would even be clued in to these songs being released let alone being interested enough in them to donate money or to buy the demos when they are released Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EvH Posted May 9, 2014 Share Posted May 9, 2014 Sure it would be kind of cool to hear the demos but just like the Hollywood Rose tapes I personally would probably hear them a few times, remark to myself how far Axl progressed between then and 1986/87, and then not play the demos ever again. I think that there has been some serious over-estimating regarding the true value of these demos. These demos are a novelty item - they are the equivalent to an old coke can in a antique shop. Only the most hardcore GNR fans would even be clued in to these songs being released let alone being interested enough in them to donate money or to buy the demos when they are releasedThank you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThinkAboutYou Posted May 9, 2014 Share Posted May 9, 2014 The promotion is the problem how are majority of GNR fans able to find out about the kickstarter? They have to sift through topics to even find anything about it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
axlrosefan4life Posted May 9, 2014 Share Posted May 9, 2014 it needs to be picked up by blabbermouth news it also needs to be a sticky on all the GNR forums to reach the $20,000I've emailed them the link Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest NGOG Posted May 9, 2014 Share Posted May 9, 2014 (edited) If you're enthusiastic about handing this sleazebag 20K for the dullest period in Axl's career - both personally and artistically - then I can only assume you are a clown. Edited May 9, 2014 by NGOG 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
77Jesters Posted May 9, 2014 Share Posted May 9, 2014 I want to hear it, and in the grand scheme of things, 20k isn't that much cash.I think that the problem he is facing is that the majority of real fans from the early era of Gn'R have cut their losses and walked away from keeping up to date a long time ago. The few hundred people that post across the boards are one thing, but this band used to play to crowds well in excess of 100,000 on a regular basis, most of which would be either side of 40 these days and uninterested in and oblivious to the current goings on of this circus act.It's such a small percentage of people that bought AFD or Lies at or near their release that would be needed to contribute to this to make it a success, it should be easily achieved if it gets to the right audience.and how anyone could listen to and honestly enjoy all the latest variations and inconsistency in Axl's voice, but not be interested in unheard vocals, closer to the voice that got him where he is than he'll ever sound like again is just beyond me... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Izzy_Stradlin_XX Posted May 9, 2014 Share Posted May 9, 2014 Kevin be advised, NGOG will puncture your tires and make your life a living hell until you say you're sorry! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rovim Posted May 9, 2014 Share Posted May 9, 2014 (edited) If you're enthusiastic about handing this sleazebag 20K for the dullest period in Axl's career - both personally and artistically - then I can only assume you are a clown.He said in his tweeter or facebook or whatever that because of the internet and how porn is free nowdays, it made him obsolete.My advice is: instead of crying about it, maybe he can find something new to do. A new field or a way to make money instead of trying to pull this stupid shit on us. It's been done before, he can start over from scratch instead of trying and failing to sell that turd at a ridiculous, unrealistic price. Edited May 9, 2014 by Rovim Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThinkAboutYou Posted May 9, 2014 Share Posted May 9, 2014 I enjoyed Hollywood Rose I don't think Rapidfire will be as good but I'll be interested in hearing the tracks and dropping $1-$75 is pocket change 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Gunns Posted May 9, 2014 Share Posted May 9, 2014 Jesters bought up a good point, I would rather listen to and own this, then the VERY sub par performance by Axl in rockfuels multimillion dollar product that is still to be released This is a 1 man operation and granted the guy is going about this without much idea on how the Gnr community is, but don't begrudge the dude for valuing it as something great. He was there and it obviously has sentimental and nostalgic value which is probably exaggerating the quality of the actual material (well that and the money he's asking, is pushing him to hype it up)But to say anyone giving him money for this is a clown then that's very ignorant. I think with a lot of forums, you get people making the same post 50 times in the same thread but the only thing that changes is that with each post, they become more angry, exaggerate more, try and influence others, saying something controversial just in the hopes of getting attention that they didn't receive in the 49 posts earlier on in the same thread...I think that's what we have here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rovim Posted May 9, 2014 Share Posted May 9, 2014 Jesters bought up a good point, I would rather listen to and own this, then the VERY sub par performance by Axl in rockfuels multimillion dollar product that is still to be releasedThis is a 1 man operation and granted the guy is going about this without much idea on how the Gnr community is, but don't begrudge the dude for valuing it as something great. He was there and it obviously has sentimental and nostalgic value which is probably exaggerating the quality of the actual material (well that and the money he's asking, is pushing him to hype it up)But to say anyone giving him money for this is a clown then that's very ignorant.I think with a lot of forums, you get people making the same post 50 times in the same thread but the only thing that changes is that with each post, they become more angry, exaggerate more, try and influence others, saying something controversial just in the hopes of getting attention that they didn't receive in the 49 posts earlier on in the same thread...I think that's what we have hereNah. I think some people here see it for what it is: a rip off. And that's why this Kickstarter failed. The asking price wasn't realistic at all. Some people have more money, so they don't really care, especially if they want to hear it.Still doesn't make it ok imo. Don't try to sell me something by making it look much greater then what it is. It's his right to sell whatever he wants at whatever price he chooses, but it's still a rip off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Gunns Posted May 9, 2014 Share Posted May 9, 2014 I'm not disputing his price points, all I'm saying is people trying to devalue the material itself because they aren't happy with what the seller is doing. I agree that he completely fucked up on this (another rockfuel comparison could be made here) but the people that are saying anyone who buys into this is an idiot, just because the seller is greedy or completely ignorant to how kick starter works and what's needed is a seperate issue entirely Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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