Bumble's Bridge Pickup Posted May 17, 2014 Share Posted May 17, 2014 ROTJ is my fave Star Wars film. The final battle is the best thing ever.In Casino Royale the Bond film continuity was reset so I could say that I liked Skyfall more than the two Bond films before itTo me, Skyfall isn't really a sequel - it's just another film in the Bond franchise. It has zero plot points in common or carried over from Casino Royale and Quantum Of Solace. The only Bond films that I think can truly be considered sequels are Quantum Of Solace, From Russia With Love, and Diamonds Are Forever (And it's still a pretty flimsy connection on those last two). If we're calling Skyfall a sequel, than by that logic every Bond film other than Dr. No and Casino Royale is a sequel. Ehhh... yeah. You're right. Damn. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieselDaisy Posted May 17, 2014 Share Posted May 17, 2014 (edited) The Empire Strikes Back is not a sequel, it is the middle act of a trilogy. I hate it when people call it a sequel because that is just false. Sequels are films that have their own beginning, middle, and end. Everything is wrapped up in a neat little package when the film is over, if it ends on a cliff hanger, than the story is not finished. Empire is the prefect example of this, when the film is finished, the story is not, therefore it should be disquallified from all sequel discussion, same goes for Evil Dead 2, The Two Towers, The Desolation of Smaug, Back to the future 2, etc. Now that we have disqualified all middle acts of a trilogy, we can have a REAL sequel debate. I also feel VERY strongly that any truly great sequels have to bring something unique or different to the story. It can't just be the same as the first, just with different characters. IMO these best TRUE sequels of all time are (I'm not saying they are superior to the originals, but they are stand alone great films). Aliens T2 Superman 2 A nightmare on Elm Street 3 the dream warriors Friday the 13th the final chapter Halloween 2 Godfather Part 2 (even though it is considered part of The Godfather trilogy, it is only a trilogy because they made 3 films, not because it is a TRUE trilogy.) Amityville horror 2 The Possesion Dark Knight (again this film is a sequel even though they made 3 films, it is NOT a true trilogy). These are the ones that come to mind off the top of my head. Again let me say, 3 films DOES NOT make a trilogy. That is one original and 2 sequels. Godfather, Batman Begins, and many many more ARE NOT trilogies. Star Wars (4,5,6,) Lord of the rings, Back to the future, Evil Dead, etc those are trilogies. You mean it begins, in medias res (I knew a classical education would come in handy someday)? I do not think that qualifies some as, not being a sequel but I see what you mean. Edited May 17, 2014 by DieselDaisy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Georgy Zhukov Posted May 17, 2014 Share Posted May 17, 2014 Shut the fuck up guys, everyone knows T2 is better than T1. Alien is better than Aliens. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bacardimayne Posted May 18, 2014 Share Posted May 18, 2014 (edited) Shut the fuck up guys, everyone knows T2 is better than T1. Both are great, but T1 wins for atmospheric reasons. Sequels that surpass the original, off the top of my head: Fast Five From Russia With Love Toy Story 2 The Good, the Bad and the Ugly Shrek 2 Spider-Man 2 The Dark Knight (but not Rises) Shout-out to The Lost World: Jurassic Park, which, while being nowhere near as good as the original, is a million times better than the shitheap that followed it in Jurassic Park III, no matter what that hooray for tolerance! Black Sabbath thinks. Edited May 18, 2014 by bacardimayne Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ace Nova Posted May 18, 2014 Author Share Posted May 18, 2014 I haven't watched Alien or Aliens in the better part of two decades so I can't really comment on those.As far as T1 vs. T2.....T2 wins....it came out at the height of G N' R....and those memories alone give it the win. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nosaj Thing Posted May 18, 2014 Share Posted May 18, 2014 Terminator 2 is better than Terminator. The Dark Knight is the best of the trilogy. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bacardimayne Posted May 18, 2014 Share Posted May 18, 2014 Terminator 2 is better than Terminator. Come on, you should know better. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rocknroll41 Posted May 18, 2014 Share Posted May 18, 2014 MY TOP 5 (in no particular order):The Dark KnightRaimi's Spider-Man 2Silence of the LambsStar Trek II: The Wrath of Khan Captain America: The Winter Soldier Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iron MikeyJ Posted May 18, 2014 Share Posted May 18, 2014 The Empire Strikes Back is not a sequel, it is the middle act of a trilogy. I hate it when people call it a sequel because that is just false. Sequels are films that have their own beginning, middle, and end. Everything is wrapped up in a neat little package when the film is over, if it ends on a cliff hanger, than the story is not finished. Empire is the prefect example of this, when the film is finished, the story is not, therefore it should be disquallified from all sequel discussion, same goes for Evil Dead 2, The Two Towers, The Desolation of Smaug, Back to the future 2, etc.Now that we have disqualified all middle acts of a trilogy, we can have a REAL sequel debate.I also feel VERY strongly that any truly great sequels have to bring something unique or different to the story. It can't just be the same as the first, just with different characters.IMO these best TRUE sequels of all time are (I'm not saying they are superior to the originals, but they are stand alone great films).AliensT2Superman 2A nightmare on Elm Street 3 the dream warriorsFriday the 13th the final chapterHalloween 2Godfather Part 2 (even though it is considered part of The Godfather trilogy, it is only a trilogy because they made 3 films, not because it is a TRUE trilogy.)Amityville horror 2 The PossesionDark Knight (again this film is a sequel even though they made 3 films, it is NOT a true trilogy).These are the ones that come to mind off the top of my head.Again let me say, 3 films DOES NOT make a trilogy. That is one original and 2 sequels. Godfather, Batman Begins, and many many more ARE NOT trilogies. Star Wars (4,5,6,) Lord of the rings, Back to the future, Evil Dead, etc those are trilogies. You mean it begins, in medias res (I knew a classical education would come in handy someday)? I do not think that qualifies some as, not being a sequel but I see what you mean.Yes indeed. Do you have anything else to add? Your response interests me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SunnyDRE Posted May 18, 2014 Share Posted May 18, 2014 Underwold: Rise of Lycans and both of the Blade movies. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nosaj Thing Posted May 18, 2014 Share Posted May 18, 2014 All Underworld movies are equally awesome. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thin White Duke Posted May 18, 2014 Share Posted May 18, 2014 Terminator 2 is better than Terminator. Terminator is a low budget masterpiece. Brilliantly scripted and darker than T2. It’s great how it plays out with tremendous suspense every time. From the grainy, dirty image, to the harsh, metallic industrial score, every last element of 'The Terminator' serves to keep the audience ill at ease and on edge; even the final shot of a pregnant Sarah Connor riding into the sunset features encroaching storm clouds. Also, Arnold's 'Fuck You, Asshole' villainy in the first plays better than his poker-faced nice-cyborg thing in the sequel, not to mention 'I'll be back' wins out over 'Hasta la vista, baby' in a walk. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nosaj Thing Posted May 18, 2014 Share Posted May 18, 2014 Yeah, but T2 is better than Terminator. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bacardimayne Posted May 18, 2014 Share Posted May 18, 2014 MUH COOL GNR SCENE 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NachoLZ Posted May 18, 2014 Share Posted May 18, 2014 Scream 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SunnyDRE Posted May 18, 2014 Share Posted May 18, 2014 All Underworld movies are equally awesome. The first two are average at best. The Rise of The Lycans is pretty great.Very underrated movie, imo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nosaj Thing Posted May 18, 2014 Share Posted May 18, 2014 All Underworld movies are equally awesome. The first two are average at best. The Rise of The Lycans is pretty great.Very underrated movie, imo.Yes, it's filled with more action. I just happen to love the entire franchise. Those movies never bore me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Axl_morris Posted May 18, 2014 Share Posted May 18, 2014 (edited) When i first read the thread title i immedietly thought "Terminator 2". Aliens. I get that Alien is more of a suspense film but i think it's dated. The whole saga would have been more effective if Ripley was fit. Call me shallow, but they'd never make sigourney the lead if it were made today.KBV2 - leaps and bounds over the first. I was never into grindhouse kung Fu so i found the first one harder to relate too. Sequal had better music, better story and more time to explain the whole plot.It's been years since I've seen the godfather. I remember the sequal being betterTerminator 2 is better than Terminator. Terminator is a low budget masterpiece. Brilliantly scripted and darker than T2. Its great how it plays out with tremendous suspense every time. From the grainy, dirty image, to the harsh, metallic industrial score, every last element of 'The Terminator' serves to keep the audience ill at ease and on edge; even the final shot of a pregnant Sarah Connor riding into the sunset features encroaching storm clouds. Also, Arnold's 'Fuck You, Asshole' villainy in the first plays better than his poker-faced nice-cyborg thing in the sequel, not to mention 'I'll be back' wins out over 'Hasta la vista, baby' in a walk.No. Edited May 18, 2014 by Axl_morris Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieselDaisy Posted May 18, 2014 Share Posted May 18, 2014 (edited) KBV2 - leaps and bounds over the first. I was never into grindhouse kung Fu so i found the first one harder to relate too. Sequal had better music, better story and more time to explain the whole plot.But it is actually Kill Bill 2 that contains all of the Kung Fu stuff; see for example, the character Pai Mei, the actor Gordon Liu and the 'five point palm exploding heart technique' - things straight from the 1970s kung fu genre. Kill Bill 1 basically rips-off Lady Snowblood, a Japanese chanbara live-action Manga. One is more, Japan, whereas Two is more, Hong Kong/China. You could also argue that the presence of Carradine, from the original Kung Fu television series, aligns the second film with the kung fu genre. Edited May 18, 2014 by DieselDaisy 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Georgy Zhukov Posted May 18, 2014 Share Posted May 18, 2014 Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ace Nova Posted May 18, 2014 Author Share Posted May 18, 2014 Star Trek II: The Wrath of KhanOn a side note....I've been wondering where you've been hiding.....have you seen Godzilla yet? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iron MikeyJ Posted May 18, 2014 Share Posted May 18, 2014 Star Trek II: The Wrath of KhanYes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieselDaisy Posted May 19, 2014 Share Posted May 19, 2014 The Good, the Bad and the Ugly is actually a prequel: it was set during the American Civil War whereas the other two were post-bellum - see for example the grave in A Fistfull of Dollars, 1873. Also, if you notice, Eastwood's 'man with no name' gains his distinctive 'dollars' attire during the course of the The Good, the Bad and the Ugly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DR DOOM Posted May 19, 2014 Share Posted May 19, 2014 (edited) Star Trek II: The Wrath of KhanYes.Indeed.Friday The 13th Part Two.I also concur with Mike420's take on trilogies...though it may seem like splitting hairs, it's true. Edited May 19, 2014 by DR DOOM 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ace Nova Posted May 20, 2014 Author Share Posted May 20, 2014 (edited) Just finished watching the entire X-Men and Wolverine movies over the past few days....and I would say at least 2 of them were better than the first X-Men movie....but that entire franchise's chronology is so out of whack...it's difficult to call most of them "sequels". Edited May 20, 2014 by Kasanova King Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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