The Scottish Independence Referendum Thread

[luciusfunk]

Early reports suggest 54-46 no.

[The Sandman]

Well if they vote in favour that just means they want to be independent right? Doesn't actually mean they will be. Or am i wrong?

If they vote yes then it will definitely happen, I am not sure what the timescales are though

Doesn't it still have to be voted on in Parliament though?

No. According to the Edinburgh agreement, the referendum is legally binding. The result stands.

Guess we shall see what the morning holds.

And we wouldn't let you back

Still praying: better together.

This morning I went to my polling station and voted "Yes" to Scottish Independence because I hold liberal values high above economic ones.

There are risks of course but I'm eager to take them. As Tommy Sheridan put it: "It's better to die on your feet than live on your knees."

Vote Yes.

Welcome back mate!

Cheers man! How you been?

Canny mate and you?

[Axls Rocket Queen]

What will be will be praying for peace either way, the campaigning has turned unreasonably nasty recently and that just can't go on, with the country so divided whatever way the result goes.

[Ace Nova]

Early reports suggest 54-46 no.

Yep....polls point towards no independance....

Scottish independence referendum: YouGov poll predicts 54% no, 46% yes - live updates

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/scottish-independence-blog/live/2014/sep/18/scottish-referendum-results-live-coverage-of-the-independence-vote

[Facekicker]

[Snake-Pit]

If Scotland leave the UK, then London'll be next.

We want London to be an independent state within the commonwealth. We are tired of giving all of our money to peoples living outside the M25.

20% of UK GDP is made in London, yet we only have just have over 10% of the population. Where is the fairness in that?

A few of the policies in London would be:

· No tax on petrol (gasoline)
· 15% VAT
· No congestion charge
30% fare cuts on TfL services
and efficiency savings to TfL
. Lower utility bills

So I ask you, people of the UK and of the World.
Should London should be an independent state?

London's economy subsidises the rest of the UK by about £18 Billion per year. Worse, the economy of London, and all the hard work we do, also subsidises lazy scrounging French farmers through the Common Agricultural Policy. Our economy in London is growing at 3.8% per annum, far outstripping the rest of the UK, and funding the health services of fat, heavy drinking smokers in Wales, Northern Ireland, Scotland and Upnorth.

Not only that, as well as paying more income and corporate tax than the rest of the UK, because our incomes are higher, we're also paying more council tax, because hardly any of our tax is spent on local services and local councils. Instead, our taxes are used to subsidise failing economies in the rest of the UK and around Europe. London Councils and Local Authorities lose out because they're viewed as "rich", and therefore have to tax their already over-taxed populous to deliver public services.

Such is the underinvestment in London that Great Ormond Street Hospital, the flagship sick children's hospital in the UK, has recently had to launch an advertising campaign for donations, because it is facing millions of pounds of underfunding. This along with the underfunding of our schools, transport system and police forces - as well as the disgraceful and broken border controls of the UK which disproportionally affect London - is a totally unacceptable situation for one of the world's economic and social centres. We could have the best city in the world, a shining light of civilisation, a beacon for other nations - if it weren't for the fact that we have to donate tens of billions a year to people who cannot or will not do productive work, and produce things people actually want to buy.

Imagine what we could do with an extra £18 Billion a year, and without having billions extra stolen from us by lazy foreign farmers, who can't be bothered to make an honest living? £18B would fund 6 new crossrail projects a year. £18B would fund over 150 more Great Ormond Street hospitals. £18B would fund brand new schools across London - with the best teachers, the most modern teaching facilities, the newest and most up to date books. £18B would fund a new, tougher, quicker immigration system - to make sure that the people we let in are genuinely needed in our economy - and we turn around those that aren't. £18B a year would mean an end to our council housing crisis - and would allow us to work with developers to build tens of thousands of new affordable homes for people with low incomes.

That's why we need to become independent from the UK. London and the Home Counties have suffered too long under rulers that take and take and take, and never give anything back. We are the engine room of the UK economy, but we have the money and taxes we produce stolen from us and given to others elsewhere. Then those people, in Northern Ireland, Scotland, Wales and Cornwall have the sheer cheek to turn around and ask for independence from us, when we make their pitiful lives possible through our hard work!! So before they assert their independence, we should assert ours, and see how they like it. London has the best workers in the world from within the M25 and outside in the Home Counties. London and the Home Counties boast 4 out of the top 5 universities in the UK. London has 5 major international airports. We in London and the Home Counties have all we need to set up our own successful state.

When we do this, we will live in one of the richest and most successful countries in the world. It will have education and health systems to rival the best in Europe. We'll be able to take control of our borders, and make sure those that come in aren't bomb-makers, and are genuinely useful to the economy.

Furthermore, we'll be able to modernise our transport system without raising prices to unacceptable levels. Housing will be cheaper for those at the lower end of the market. Moreover, we'll be able to pay less taxes for this, rather than having to pay more to bail out Africa. We'll have a high standard of living, but with a low tax economy.

But that's not all. We'll also be able to renegotiate our treaties with Europe. Of course, we're all for free trade with our neighbours, and for celebrating commerce and economic activity. That's what the EU was meant to be about - it was meant to be a free trade zone of economic and social cooperation. What it's turned into is an excuse to leak money to French farmers, and Spanish fishermen. If we became independent, we could keep the free trade, but ditch the subsidies to lazy unproductive industries. We could benefit from the economic good points of Europe like the Scandinavian Countries and Switzerland do, without getting dragged down by its outdated "socialistic" bad points.

Edited September 18, 2014 by Snake-Pit

[Ace Nova]

The pro independence side should have played Braveheart clips on repeat as commercials....could have made a difference of 5%....

Edited September 18, 2014 by Kasanova King

[Snake-Pit]

Mel Gibson's an anti Semitic wanker and Braveheart was filmed in Ireland.

[Johnny Drama]

Yes but that speech makes me want to kill English people everytime.

[Graeme]

All this is worthless conjecture, there's only one poll that matters. Fuck knows how that one's gonna go.

Also, Braveheart is shite.

[Broskirose]

Germbag is leading the rebellion and he's a ruthless murdering psychopath.

[Ace Nova]

Mel Gibson's an anti Semitic wanker and Braveheart was filmed in Ireland.

No, he really isn't. One should look at a person by the body of their works vs. a few words here or there.

Yes but that speech makes me want to kill English people everytime.

Also, Braveheart is shite.

Historical accuracy aside, it was a great film. Easily in my top 5 of all time.

[DieselDaisy]

The Union Jack won't look quite the same if the YES vote wins.

Wales...green background. Problem solved.

I would not wipe my arse with that abomination.

The Union Jack will remain the same. Even if Scotland leaves.

Yes, because it precedes the Act of Union of 1707 by more than one hundred years. It was designed in 1606 by James VI/I as a Navy insignia to represent his two kingdoms' Navy on the high seas. It is inherently a symbol of, the Union of Kingdoms (1603), not Parliaments (1707) in other words - although - its usage was standardised for aspects, beyond just the Navy after 1707. Here is the original 1606-1801 flag - isn't it a thing of beauty?

In 1801, with the Union of the British and Irish Parliaments, the Irish St Patrick saltire was also added resulting in our current flag - Wales are not represented as they are a principality.

[Snake-Pit]

[ADPT]

If Scotland leave the UK, then London'll be next.

We want London to be an independent state within the commonwealth. We are tired of giving all of our money to peoples living outside the M25.

20% of UK GDP is made in London, yet we only have just have over 10% of the population. Where is the fairness in that?

A few of the policies in London would be:

· No tax on petrol (gasoline)

· 15% VAT

· No congestion charge

30% fare cuts on TfL services

and efficiency savings to TfL

. Lower utility bills

So I ask you, people of the UK and of the World.

Should London should be an independent state?

London's economy subsidises the rest of the UK by about £18 Billion per year. Worse, the economy of London, and all the hard work we do, also subsidises lazy scrounging French farmers through the Common Agricultural Policy. Our economy in London is growing at 3.8% per annum, far outstripping the rest of the UK, and funding the health services of fat, heavy drinking smokers in Wales, Northern Ireland, Scotland and Upnorth.

Not only that, as well as paying more income and corporate tax than the rest of the UK, because our incomes are higher, we're also paying more council tax, because hardly any of our tax is spent on local services and local councils. Instead, our taxes are used to subsidise failing economies in the rest of the UK and around Europe. London Councils and Local Authorities lose out because they're viewed as "rich", and therefore have to tax their already over-taxed populous to deliver public services.

Such is the underinvestment in London that Great Ormond Street Hospital, the flagship sick children's hospital in the UK, has recently had to launch an advertising campaign for donations, because it is facing millions of pounds of underfunding. This along with the underfunding of our schools, transport system and police forces - as well as the disgraceful and broken border controls of the UK which disproportionally affect London - is a totally unacceptable situation for one of the world's economic and social centres. We could have the best city in the world, a shining light of civilisation, a beacon for other nations - if it weren't for the fact that we have to donate tens of billions a year to people who cannot or will not do productive work, and produce things people actually want to buy.

Imagine what we could do with an extra £18 Billion a year, and without having billions extra stolen from us by lazy foreign farmers, who can't be bothered to make an honest living? £18B would fund 6 new crossrail projects a year. £18B would fund over 150 more Great Ormond Street hospitals. £18B would fund brand new schools across London - with the best teachers, the most modern teaching facilities, the newest and most up to date books. £18B would fund a new, tougher, quicker immigration system - to make sure that the people we let in are genuinely needed in our economy - and we turn around those that aren't. £18B a year would mean an end to our council housing crisis - and would allow us to work with developers to build tens of thousands of new affordable homes for people with low incomes.

That's why we need to become independent from the UK. London and the Home Counties have suffered too long under rulers that take and take and take, and never give anything back. We are the engine room of the UK economy, but we have the money and taxes we produce stolen from us and given to others elsewhere. Then those people, in Northern Ireland, Scotland, Wales and Cornwall have the sheer cheek to turn around and ask for independence from us, when we make their pitiful lives possible through our hard work!! So before they assert their independence, we should assert ours, and see how they like it. London has the best workers in the world from within the M25 and outside in the Home Counties. London and the Home Counties boast 4 out of the top 5 universities in the UK. London has 5 major international airports. We in London and the Home Counties have all we need to set up our own successful state.

When we do this, we will live in one of the richest and most successful countries in the world. It will have education and health systems to rival the best in Europe. We'll be able to take control of our borders, and make sure those that come in aren't bomb-makers, and are genuinely useful to the economy.

Furthermore, we'll be able to modernise our transport system without raising prices to unacceptable levels. Housing will be cheaper for those at the lower end of the market. Moreover, we'll be able to pay less taxes for this, rather than having to pay more to bail out Africa. We'll have a high standard of living, but with a low tax economy.

But that's not all. We'll also be able to renegotiate our treaties with Europe. Of course, we're all for free trade with our neighbours, and for celebrating commerce and economic activity. That's what the EU was meant to be about - it was meant to be a free trade zone of economic and social cooperation. What it's turned into is an excuse to leak money to French farmers, and Spanish fishermen. If we became independent, we could keep the free trade, but ditch the subsidies to lazy unproductive industries. We could benefit from the economic good points of Europe like the Scandinavian Countries and Switzerland do, without getting dragged down by its outdated "socialistic" bad points.

Reading that you can begin to understand why so many Scots want to vote yes. A stunning lack of awareness.

[Snake-Pit]

If this was 100 years ago, we would have hung Alex Salmond.

[DieselDaisy]

If this was 100 years ago, we would have hung Alex Salmond.

Salmond, Scotland's answer to George Washington. He is a fairly ghastly bloke really, and I am not just saying that in regards to his objectionable political beliefs. Apparently he was once asked to name the ''three greatest Scots'' and he replied, ''The Bruce, Wallace'' and ''Me''.

[Snake-Pit]

If this was 100 years ago, we would have hung Alex Salmond.

Salmond, Scotland's answer to George Washington. He is a fairly ghastly bloke really, and I am not just saying that in regards to his objectionable political beliefs. Apparently he was once asked to name the ''three greatest Scots'' and he replied, ''The Bruce, Wallace'' and ''Me''.

The yes campaign wishes it was American.

[DieselDaisy]

Nahh, i actually think a SNP scotland will piss off the Americans. They - the devolved Parliament that is - already have in fact: it was them who released the Lockerbie bomber, Megrahi, on ''compassionate grounds''.

[Georgy Zhukov]

We would like to thank Scotland for Andrew Carnegie.

[Snake-Pit]

The SNP seem like a far right racist group to me, like the BNP.

I could be wrong though.

Anyway, fuck Scotland if they leave, they'd be like Ireland, no army.

Edited September 18, 2014 by Snake-Pit

[Facekicker]

The SNP seem like a far right racist group to me, like the BNP.

I could be wrong though.

Anyway, fuck Scotland if they leave, they'd be like Ireland, no army.

And that's why we don't have angry Muslims beheading people in the middle of Dublin.

[Snake-Pit]

The SNP seem like a far right racist group to me, like the BNP.

I could be wrong though.

Anyway, fuck Scotland if they leave, they'd be like Ireland, no army.

And that's why we don't have angry Muslims beheading people in the middle of Dublin.

You get angry Irish guys instead fucking each other up.

[Facekicker]

The SNP seem like a far right racist group to me, like the BNP.

I could be wrong though.

Anyway, fuck Scotland if they leave, they'd be like Ireland, no army.

And that's why we don't have angry Muslims beheading people in the middle of Dublin.

You get angry Irish guys instead fucking each other up.

And whats that got to do with what you said? Like you don't get that in Birmingham?

Edited September 19, 2014 by Facekicker

[Snake-Pit]

I went to Birmingham once, Digbeth reminded of West Norwood. *Except everything was closed by the time I got there which was 7pm in the day. , TBH.

Sh*t.... I remember waking up as my coach was pulling into London Victoria at like midnight and everything was still open and busy and.... I did feel glad to be home.

Edited September 19, 2014 by Snake-Pit