DieselDaisy Posted September 17, 2014 Share Posted September 17, 2014 Just a pointless little wet party really - the Lib Dems are more laughed at, then generally disliked. I quite liked Champagne Charlie mind. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieselDaisy Posted September 17, 2014 Share Posted September 17, 2014 Maybe if the rest of the UK coated itself in a massive wall of chip batter, we would look more appealing to Scottish voters. That would work. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Len Cnut Posted September 17, 2014 Share Posted September 17, 2014 Can i just say Dies', i love you Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dazey Posted September 17, 2014 Share Posted September 17, 2014 I'll admit to not knowing much about the SNP, but I agree that Labour was a nightmare when it came to the right to privacy. In the last election, I was stupid enough to believe that the Lib Dems were sensible (on this issue and others), which is a lesson learned.Can somebody please explain to me what the Lib Dems have done that's sooooooooooo bad? I mean as far as I can see the worst that can be levelled at them is that they've not really done a lot and delivered on all their election promises. I mean duh! As the minority partner in a COALITION what do people really expect?Betrayed everyone: see everything they used to believe in and university fees etc.Well were they really at fault for the fees or was it simply a Tory policy pushed through because they were the majority partner? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Len Cnut Posted September 17, 2014 Share Posted September 17, 2014 I'll admit to not knowing much about the SNP, but I agree that Labour was a nightmare when it came to the right to privacy. In the last election, I was stupid enough to believe that the Lib Dems were sensible (on this issue and others), which is a lesson learned.Can somebody please explain to me what the Lib Dems have done that's sooooooooooo bad? I mean as far as I can see the worst that can be levelled at them is that they've not really done a lot and delivered on all their election promises. I mean duh! As the minority partner in a COALITION what do people really expect?Betrayed everyone: see everything they used to believe in and university fees etc.Well were they really at fault for the fees or was it simply a Tory policy pushed through because they were the majority partner?Thats the point they're trying to make, they didn't utilise their minority standing to any particular effect. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dazey Posted September 17, 2014 Share Posted September 17, 2014 I'll admit to not knowing much about the SNP, but I agree that Labour was a nightmare when it came to the right to privacy. In the last election, I was stupid enough to believe that the Lib Dems were sensible (on this issue and others), which is a lesson learned.Can somebody please explain to me what the Lib Dems have done that's sooooooooooo bad? I mean as far as I can see the worst that can be levelled at them is that they've not really done a lot and delivered on all their election promises. I mean duh! As the minority partner in a COALITION what do people really expect?Betrayed everyone: see everything they used to believe in and university fees etc.Well were they really at fault for the fees or was it simply a Tory policy pushed through because they were the majority partner? Thats the point they're trying to make, they didn't utilise their minority standing to any particular effect.I'm just asking how much leverage they could ever really have. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Len Cnut Posted September 17, 2014 Share Posted September 17, 2014 I'll admit to not knowing much about the SNP, but I agree that Labour was a nightmare when it came to the right to privacy. In the last election, I was stupid enough to believe that the Lib Dems were sensible (on this issue and others), which is a lesson learned.Can somebody please explain to me what the Lib Dems have done that's sooooooooooo bad? I mean as far as I can see the worst that can be levelled at them is that they've not really done a lot and delivered on all their election promises. I mean duh! As the minority partner in a COALITION what do people really expect?Betrayed everyone: see everything they used to believe in and university fees etc.Well were they really at fault for the fees or was it simply a Tory policy pushed through because they were the majority partner? Thats the point they're trying to make, they didn't utilise their minority standing to any particular effect.I'm just asking how much leverage they could ever really have.Not much but then not much is better than nothing and for all the good they did with their not much it might as well've been nothing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ADPT Posted September 17, 2014 Share Posted September 17, 2014 (edited) I'll admit to not knowing much about the SNP, but I agree that Labour was a nightmare when it came to the right to privacy. In the last election, I was stupid enough to believe that the Lib Dems were sensible (on this issue and others), which is a lesson learned.Can somebody please explain to me what the Lib Dems have done that's sooooooooooo bad? I mean as far as I can see the worst that can be levelled at them is that they've not really done a lot and delivered on all their election promises. I mean duh! As the minority partner in a COALITION what do people really expect?Betrayed everyone: see everything they used to believe in and university fees etc.Well were they really at fault for the fees or was it simply a Tory policy pushed through because they were the majority partner? Thats the point they're trying to make, they didn't utilise their minority standing to any particular effect.I'm just asking how much leverage they could ever really have.That's always the question with minority partners in any coalition. There is leverage but it's got to be used strategically. Pick fights constantly and before you know it, it's back to the polls and there's no guarantee you'll be back in power. Edited September 17, 2014 by ADPT Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Len Cnut Posted September 17, 2014 Share Posted September 17, 2014 I'll admit to not knowing much about the SNP, but I agree that Labour was a nightmare when it came to the right to privacy. In the last election, I was stupid enough to believe that the Lib Dems were sensible (on this issue and others), which is a lesson learned.Can somebody please explain to me what the Lib Dems have done that's sooooooooooo bad? I mean as far as I can see the worst that can be levelled at them is that they've not really done a lot and delivered on all their election promises. I mean duh! As the minority partner in a COALITION what do people really expect?Betrayed everyone: see everything they used to believe in and university fees etc.Well were they really at fault for the fees or was it simply a Tory policy pushed through because they were the majority partner? Thats the point they're trying to make, they didn't utilise their minority standing to any particular effect.I'm just asking how much leverage they could ever really have. That's always the question with minority partners in any coalition. There is leverage but it's got to be used strategically.. Pick fights constantly and before you know it, it's back to the polls and there's no guarantee you'll be back in power.And its instances like that where a statesman truly shows his worth. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ADPT Posted September 17, 2014 Share Posted September 17, 2014 (edited) I'll admit to not knowing much about the SNP, but I agree that Labour was a nightmare when it came to the right to privacy. In the last election, I was stupid enough to believe that the Lib Dems were sensible (on this issue and others), which is a lesson learned.Can somebody please explain to me what the Lib Dems have done that's sooooooooooo bad? I mean as far as I can see the worst that can be levelled at them is that they've not really done a lot and delivered on all their election promises. I mean duh! As the minority partner in a COALITION what do people really expect?Betrayed everyone: see everything they used to believe in and university fees etc.Well were they really at fault for the fees or was it simply a Tory policy pushed through because they were the majority partner? Thats the point they're trying to make, they didn't utilise their minority standing to any particular effect.I'm just asking how much leverage they could ever really have. That's always the question with minority partners in any coalition. There is leverage but it's got to be used strategically.. Pick fights constantly and before you know it, it's back to the polls and there's no guarantee you'll be back in power.And its instances like that where a statesman truly shows his worth.If there's one thing Clegg's never struck me as, it's a statesman. None of the current crop do. Edited September 17, 2014 by ADPT Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dazey Posted September 17, 2014 Share Posted September 17, 2014 I'll admit to not knowing much about the SNP, but I agree that Labour was a nightmare when it came to the right to privacy. In the last election, I was stupid enough to believe that the Lib Dems were sensible (on this issue and others), which is a lesson learned.Can somebody please explain to me what the Lib Dems have done that's sooooooooooo bad? I mean as far as I can see the worst that can be levelled at them is that they've not really done a lot and delivered on all their election promises. I mean duh! As the minority partner in a COALITION what do people really expect?Betrayed everyone: see everything they used to believe in and university fees etc.Well were they really at fault for the fees or was it simply a Tory policy pushed through because they were the majority partner? Thats the point they're trying to make, they didn't utilise their minority standing to any particular effect.I'm just asking how much leverage they could ever really have. That's always the question with minority partners in any coalition. There is leverage but it's got to be used strategically.. Pick fights constantly and before you know it, it's back to the polls and there's no guarantee you'll be back in power.And its instances like that where a statesman truly shows his worth.Cobblers! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Sandman Posted September 17, 2014 Share Posted September 17, 2014 Graeme and I will be at George Street tonight! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kittiara Posted September 17, 2014 Share Posted September 17, 2014 I'll admit to not knowing much about the SNP, but I agree that Labour was a nightmare when it came to the right to privacy. In the last election, I was stupid enough to believe that the Lib Dems were sensible (on this issue and others), which is a lesson learned.Can somebody please explain to me what the Lib Dems have done that's sooooooooooo bad? I mean as far as I can see the worst that can be levelled at them is that they've not really done a lot and delivered on all their election promises. I mean duh! As the minority partner in a COALITION what do people really expect?They've been good little supporters of the Tory Party, even on matters that they are supposed to be completely opposed to, ideologically speaking. It's easy to act like the good guys before an election - the party standing for fairness and equality and the right to privacy etc. Yet, when they were finally given the tiniest bit of power they were ready and willing to bend over and support measures like the "bedroom tax", the retrospective law change on workfare, all the botched projects of IDS, the rise in tuition fees, more privitisation, and so on.Now that there's another election coming up they're changing their tune again. They know they've messed up. They could have done more with the little bit of power they had, but they were too eager to cling on to it. Yes, if they'd stuck by their principles they may have lost that bit of power, but they'd be respected for standing up for what they believe in. As it is, hardly anyone still believes anything that Lib Dem politicians say, so they've damaged themselves as well as let down their voters.Also means that those more inclined towards the left of the political spectrum haven't really got a party to vote for right now. Labour has taken a turn to the right of the centre. I guess there are the Greens, and they do have a few good ideas, but, personally speaking, I think they have a ways to go before they're a truly viable party. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Len Cnut Posted September 17, 2014 Share Posted September 17, 2014 I'll admit to not knowing much about the SNP, but I agree that Labour was a nightmare when it came to the right to privacy. In the last election, I was stupid enough to believe that the Lib Dems were sensible (on this issue and others), which is a lesson learned.Can somebody please explain to me what the Lib Dems have done that's sooooooooooo bad? I mean as far as I can see the worst that can be levelled at them is that they've not really done a lot and delivered on all their election promises. I mean duh! As the minority partner in a COALITION what do people really expect?Betrayed everyone: see everything they used to believe in and university fees etc.Well were they really at fault for the fees or was it simply a Tory policy pushed through because they were the majority partner? Thats the point they're trying to make, they didn't utilise their minority standing to any particular effect.I'm just asking how much leverage they could ever really have. That's always the question with minority partners in any coalition. There is leverage but it's got to be used strategically.. Pick fights constantly and before you know it, it's back to the polls and there's no guarantee you'll be back in power.And its instances like that where a statesman truly shows his worth.Cobblers! Well it is, isn't it? The whole idea of being a statesman is people skills, knowing when to give and when to take and how much, it's an art. Any old cunt can just be in charge and go 'right, you over there, him over there and her and her with me!'...but then in situations like being the minority end in a coalition...or like foreign affairs and your track record with diplomacy, to me those are like...the benchmark of a quality politician. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieselDaisy Posted September 17, 2014 Share Posted September 17, 2014 Everyone is saying Labour will win next election yet I simply cannot see it. Milliband? He is completely unrecognizable by most. I think the Tories will get in again - and with a majority this time.Graeme and I will be at George Street tonight!Just remember you are amidst barbarous heathens - further than even Rome ventured. If the going gets rough, flee to Hadrian's Wall and civilisation. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Sandman Posted September 17, 2014 Share Posted September 17, 2014 Huge thanks to Graeme and Gordon for the tour of Glasgow tonight on the eve of such a historic, momentous day. Atmosphere is electric. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Georgy Zhukov Posted September 17, 2014 Share Posted September 17, 2014 Don't know if this has been answered, but would Scotland survive on it's own? What are it's major exports? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graeme Posted September 17, 2014 Author Share Posted September 17, 2014 Huge thanks to Graeme and Gordon for the tour of Glasgow tonight on the eve of such a historic, momentous day. Atmosphere is electric.Anytime! But if you were gonna pick a day, then today was as good as any and better !Don't know if this has been answered, but would Scotland survive on it's own? What are it's major exports? Page 4, pal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Georgy Zhukov Posted September 17, 2014 Share Posted September 17, 2014 If you want an economy worse than Romania's, being out of the EU and not having a currency - then yes is a good option.One person on a crusade to be a president of an 'independent' country could mess things up royally for everyone else and hasn't considered the impact of the majority of the above. A great leader.Threatening how bad it could be really isn't a constructive way to endorse a "no" vote. I've been asking for a Unionist solution to the democratic deficit which led to the initial tabling of the referendum, several times within this thread and so far no-one has offered one apart from "put up and shut up."Give me some explanation on the mechanisms for a country with an advanced industrialised economy to revert to the developing upper-middle income economy of a country still emerging from the detrimental elements of totalitarian rule:I'm not saying that everything would instantly fall into place, but countries with far fewer resources are able to sustainably run their economies. You seem to be presuming an incredible level of incompetence and stupidity on behalf of the Scottish Government, which (given that we have one of the most highly educated populations in the world) I think is unfounded. Most people in Scotland are satisfied with the way the Scottish Government handles all our devolved affairs (and they're certainly doing a better job than that shower in Westminster).Why would it be that they can handle health, justice, education, transport and business perfectly well but if you threw in defence, foreign policy and tax-raising we would suddenly fall to pieces?From the UK, Scotland has:32% of the land area.61% of the sea area.90% of the fresh water.65% of the natural gas production.96.5% of the crude oil production.47% of the open cast coal production81% of the untapped coal reserves62% of the timber production46% of the total forest area92% of the hydro electric production40% of the wind wave and solar energy production60% of the fish landings30% of the beef herd20% of the sheep herd9% of the dairy herd10% of the pig herd15% if the cereal holdings20% of the potato holdings...obviously 100% of the Scotch Whisky industry.We also have:a 17 billion pound construction industry13 billion food and drink industry10 billion business services industry9.3 billion chemical services industryA 9.3 billion tourism industry7 billion financial services industry5 billion aeroservice industry4.5 billion pound whisky exports industry3.1 billion pound life sciences industryScotland still has 350 million pounds worth of textile exportsWe have 25% of Europe's wave and wind energy potential.And finally we are blessed to have 1.5 trillion pound worth of oil and gas reserves.How tremendously incompetent would we have to be to become impoverished with this amount of resources at our disposal?Also, for the time being, an independent Scotland would still be "the Kingdom of Scotland", a constitutional monarchy (presumably a referendum on whether or not to become a republic would be forthcoming). So your fears about some errant Commander-in-Chief seem a bit silly. If that was some sort of slight on Alex Salmond's apparent ego trip, I don't believe he's "Mr. Independence" and the campaign is about so much more than him or his party, but for what it's worth, he has the strongest mandate for his political position of any politician (and the highest approval ratings) in these islands, all gained through due democratic process and despite (rather than because of) the mainstream media.Hmm, seems like Scotland will do just fine! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AtariLegend Posted September 18, 2014 Share Posted September 18, 2014 The only thing sure regardless of a yes or no vote, is that Shetland won't be getting it's own referendum. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieselDaisy Posted September 18, 2014 Share Posted September 18, 2014 I think somebody is playing a cruel joke against me today. Got some smoked mackerel out of the freezer yesterday for tea today; just checked it today; fuckin' Scottish saltire there. Grrr. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ADPT Posted September 18, 2014 Share Posted September 18, 2014 2000AD (it's spin-off anyway) with it's own, inimitable take. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
W. Axl Kev Posted September 18, 2014 Share Posted September 18, 2014 This morning I went to my polling station and voted "Yes" to Scottish Independence because I hold liberal values high above economic ones.There are risks of course but I'm eager to take them. As Tommy Sheridan put it: "It's better to die on your feet than live on your knees."Vote Yes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Drama Posted September 18, 2014 Share Posted September 18, 2014 Scotland for the Scots.*raises fist in solidarity with volcano boy* Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Sandman Posted September 18, 2014 Share Posted September 18, 2014 This morning I went to my polling station and voted "Yes" to Scottish Independence because I hold liberal values high above economic ones.There are risks of course but I'm eager to take them. As Tommy Sheridan put it: "It's better to die on your feet than live on your knees."Vote Yes.Welcome back mate! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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