2016 National Football League (NFL) Regular Season

[The Real McCoy]

I hate being a Cowboys fan.

[Apollo]

Why do you think teams kneel down instead of running a kick back in the final second of a game?

Tonight. Two secs left. Tie game. Dallas kicks to Philly. Returner catches kick in end zone - and doesn't attempt a run back. Philly then does the kneel down to run off final two seconds.

Why not? He could take it to the house and win the game. He could take it 30-40 yards and have a penalty on the play, giving his team a chance for another play. Dallas was out of this game until their kick returner took a ball in the end zone and went for about 75 yards.

This has happened in the last two games I watched and both times the return man didn't attempt a return. The only negative is a fumble. But if you are worried about a fumble then you need to change your return man.

Why not run it out and possibly win the game? If you get tackled then the time expires.

[bran]

what the fuck happened to green bay? nice win beating the iggles on the road. peyton manning

[AxlisOld]

What the fuck happened to the Seahawks? The defense can't do everything, guys.

[bran]

arizona had the ball for almost 39 minutes. still not sure why seattle didnt try to pound the ball more and try to give that defense a rest.

[AxlsMainMan]

If losing to Krapernick in the playoffs 2 straight years wasn't an indicator, the last 3 weeks certainly are that Rodgers is overrated.

[classicrawker]

Credit to the Lions for coming into our house and beating us. They could have come in and rolled over but they played hard even if they almost handed us the game with 2 misses XP's and losing the onside kick in the last minute. One little whine I do have is the refs were allowing the Lions secondary to mug our receivers but that is not an excuse for losing.

That is two weeks in a row we had a chance to tie or win in the last minute only to come up short. championship teams do not miss taking advantage of those types of opportunities as we could have won the last two games as our fate was in our hands.

Packers are lost on offense............since Nelson went down they don't have a receiver who can stretch the field and make the D respect them. When you factor in the fact that Lacy is not playing well this year, so they have no ground game to speak of for the D to worry about, and the fact that Arod is not playing well right now the offense is struggling. I have never seen Arod miss so many open receivers as he has this year. He seems very tentative and holds the ball too long and it is killing his Oline which has not played bad this year.

On D' the lack of a pass rush the past 3 games has exposed the secondary.

Not sure what the fix is as I don't see the current receiver corps changing from what they are so unless Lacy comes back and start running like he did in the past opposing and force a safety into the box opposing Defenses are going to go cover 2 and take the middle of the field away from Arod.

[Apollo]

Crazy idea -

Trade Romo to Denver.

Dallas isn't going anywhere. They need to rebuild.

Romo has a couple quality years left.

Denver is a super bowl contender with their defense. Throw in Romo......and Denver could be the 2nd Bowl favorites after New England.

Which team wouldn't do it?

Denver won't win a super bowl with the QB they have now.

Dallas has no chance. And an 8-8 season just gets them mid-round pick each round.

Trade Romo and you finish 2-14 and get one of the top 1-2 picks of the draft (plus the first or second pick of the second round).

Plus you pick up extra draft picks from Denver.

Then Trade Whitten to somebody that needs a hall of fame tight end.

Dallas could start over with a crop of good draft picks. And Denver would have a chance to win the super bowl this year and next year.

I know it will never happen.

[Apollo]

Gotta wonder how much Arod is feeling the effects of the NFL moderating the PSI levels of the football.

Didn't he say that he liked a football inflated as much as possible?

[classicrawker]

Gotta wonder how much Arod is feeling the effects of the NFL moderating the PSI levels of the football.

Didn't he say that he liked a football inflated as much as possible?

Or maybe it is the effect of no Jordy Nelson or running game...........

[bran]

I hate being a Cowboys fan.

try being a dolphins fan

[classicrawker]

I think ARod pretty much sums up the Pacekrs loss to the Bears yesterday....."oh fuck!"

Edited November 27, 2015 by classicrawker

[Apollo]

Rodgers doesn't seem to be throwing the ball with the same accuracy as before. It's almost like he isn't quite comfortable with them.

[The Real McCoy]

The Cowboys are officially a dumpster fire this year. I'm not even going to watch the remaining games. I'm packing it in until next year.

[Apollo]

Nfl really wants Denver to beat the Patriots.

[classicrawker]

Other than Patriot fans and a few Brady crusaders I am guessing most football fan shed no tears when the Patriots lose...............

[Crazyman]

You notice how Brady still plays well despite not having anyone except Gronk (and on the road in snowy Denver)? It's all about scheme and making adjustments.

McCarthy STILL thinks that the Packers will be fine if the receivers just "win their matchups". He STILLS runs the same vanilla personnel (I don't think Dick Rod is scaring anyone with his 1 yard a catch lately...), same formations, etc. Then once we get a part of the offense that actually works (running the ball), he allows Clements to call 43 pass plays...in the rain!

Capers weakness is smart QB's. McCarthy's is getting too lazy with his scheme and making adjustments (and not playing Janis, who continues to make plays with his speed on special teams). Something must've happened to Rodgers during that bye week because he's been really bad since then as well. And the biggest culprit?

Davante Adams. I know he was injured earlier in the year but he has no excuse as of right now for playing so terribly. Rodgers has a 59 passer rating throwing to him all season (only completing half his passes)...on throws to everyone else he has a QB rating over or at 100. I believe Adams has been targeted something like 36 times in the past few weeks and has only caught 15 passes...for 129 yards, aka 8.6 yards per catch and only 3.6 per attempt. For the "offseason MVP" (which is like the kiss of death from McCarthy - he called Jarrett Boykin that the year before) he's been about as bad as humanly possible. But he won't put Janis in (despite being the only deep threat healthy this season) because he might struggle...

[classicrawker]

I hear you Crazy but at what point do we start putting some of the blame on Arod? I was able to watch the last 3 games and he is really struggling with some of his throws, missing wide open receivers, under/over throwing and throwing behind them etc. he also holds the ball an incredibly long time.

I find it hard to believe that nobody is open all the times I see him holding the ball 4+ seconds. He is killing his O-line this year with his indecisiveness IMHO.

I mean he does have the ability to change the call at the Oline if he does not like the defensive read so I don't think we can blame everything on the offensive scheme.

Arod had a shot at winning the Carolina, Detroit and Chicago games and could not punch in the late game TD to give them a chance so he needs to take part of the blame.

And in Capers defense the Defense has actually played reasonably well against Detroit and Chicago so I don't know if they should be blamed for the loses.

Edited November 30, 2015 by classicrawker

[Crazyman]

LIS Aaron is struggling too. The entire offense is out of sync right now. I'm putting more of the blame on the receivers because they've dropped a ton of third down and touchdown catches since the bye. Cobb (Detroit, Minnesota), Jones (every game but Minnesota, though he dropped one there too) and Adams (every game) are all guilty of it.

However, the reason I'm blaming coaching more is that the built in audibles are all basic, vanilla routes. The offense has become too predictable without having a deep threat. The short/intermediate vanilla routes don't work when teams can simply play two high press. We're getting absolutely no production from the tight end position because Dick Rod is basically a goal line threat only (Quarless coming back should help), considering how slow he is and his lack of ability to break a tackle.

McCarthy's refusal to play Janis, even if it's simply a decoy is the dumbest thing I can possibly think of. Literally every time he's even had the chance to touch the ball good things have happened - either a long completion (or the play where Aaron flipped him the ball 5 yards and he ran for 40) or a pass interference. Who cares if he doesn't run the exact correct routes - nobody else can get open anyway and they don't get benched.

Aaron deserves the Carolina loss, though it's hard to score 37 on an undefeated team on the road. He doesn't deserve the Detroit or Chicago losses - that's clearly on the coaching staff and receivers (and Crosby for whatever the fuck happened on the GW field goal vs Detroit)

I wasn't blaming Capers for those losses. I said his defense performs poorly against smart QB's...Stafford and Cutler are not in that category

[classicrawker]

LIS Aaron is struggling too. The entire offense is out of sync right now. I'm putting more of the blame on the receivers because they've dropped a ton of third down and touchdown catches since the bye. Cobb (Detroit, Minnesota), Jones (every game but Minnesota, though he dropped one there too) and Adams (every game) are all guilty of it.

However, the reason I'm blaming coaching more is that the built in audibles are all basic, vanilla routes. The offense has become too predictable without having a deep threat. The short/intermediate vanilla routes don't work when teams can simply play two high press. We're getting absolutely no production from the tight end position because Dick Rod is basically a goal line threat only (Quarless coming back should help), considering how slow he is and his lack of ability to break a tackle.

McCarthy's refusal to play Janis, even if it's simply a decoy is the dumbest thing I can possibly think of. Literally every time he's even had the chance to touch the ball good things have happened - either a long completion (or the play where Aaron flipped him the ball 5 yards and he ran for 40) or a pass interference. Who cares if he doesn't run the exact correct routes - nobody else can get open anyway and they don't get benched.

Aaron deserves the Carolina loss, though it's hard to score 37 on an undefeated team on the road. He doesn't deserve the Detroit or Chicago losses - that's clearly on the coaching staff and receivers (and Crosby for whatever the fuck happened on the GW field goal vs Detroit)

I wasn't blaming Capers for those losses. I said his defense performs poorly against smart QB's...Stafford and Cutler are not in that category

Not denying that the receivers have been brutal but after watching the Detroit and Chicago games Arod was a big part of the problem IMHO...He is throwing more 3 quarters then over the top so I am guessing his shoulder is worse then anyone is letting on but he has also been very tentative.........

....I do agree they need to play Janis more....can't be worse than what they have now......... .

[Crazyman]

LIS Aaron is struggling too. The entire offense is out of sync right now. I'm putting more of the blame on the receivers because they've dropped a ton of third down and touchdown catches since the bye. Cobb (Detroit, Minnesota), Jones (every game but Minnesota, though he dropped one there too) and Adams (every game) are all guilty of it.

However, the reason I'm blaming coaching more is that the built in audibles are all basic, vanilla routes. The offense has become too predictable without having a deep threat. The short/intermediate vanilla routes don't work when teams can simply play two high press. We're getting absolutely no production from the tight end position because Dick Rod is basically a goal line threat only (Quarless coming back should help), considering how slow he is and his lack of ability to break a tackle.

McCarthy's refusal to play Janis, even if it's simply a decoy is the dumbest thing I can possibly think of. Literally every time he's even had the chance to touch the ball good things have happened - either a long completion (or the play where Aaron flipped him the ball 5 yards and he ran for 40) or a pass interference. Who cares if he doesn't run the exact correct routes - nobody else can get open anyway and they don't get benched.

Aaron deserves the Carolina loss, though it's hard to score 37 on an undefeated team on the road. He doesn't deserve the Detroit or Chicago losses - that's clearly on the coaching staff and receivers (and Crosby for whatever the fuck happened on the GW field goal vs Detroit)

I wasn't blaming Capers for those losses. I said his defense performs poorly against smart QB's...Stafford and Cutler are not in that category

Not denying that the receivers have been brutal but after watching the Detroit and Chicago games Arod was a big part of the problem IMHO...He is throwing more 3 quarters then over the top so I am guessing his shoulder is worse then anyone is letting on but he has also been very tentative.........

....I do agree they need to play Janis more....can't be worse than what they have now......... .

If Rodgers is injured then the problems again lie with the coaching staff. Here's the play breakdown the past 4 weeks (pass/run):

CHI - 43/24

MIN - 34/30

DET - 61/17

CAR - 48/14

Notice the game we won we had the closest ratio? Especially since all Mac does is talk about how important that ratio is (even saying that he doesn't care if the rushes get yards; it's all about the attempts). 21 of the last 22 plays against the Bears were pass calls...that's ridiculous considering it was raining and the run game was gashing them (the RB's averaged about 6 yards per carry).

Again I think the issues with Rodgers accuracy is being overblown. His decision making (getting the ball out quicker) is his problem, and that's being highlighted by the fact that the receivers can't get open (due to their lack of talent and vanilla routes). Rodgers has put the ball on them numerous times in the perfect position just to have them drop it. This is particularly tough when it happens on third down or when the player is wide open for a touchdown, and when all three receivers are guilty of it.

Thankfully Quarless and Abbrederis are both practicing this week. Don't think either of them plays, but they could be what the offense needs outside of Janis, and since Mac is being stupid and not playing him they seem to be our only hope.

[Crazyman]

The problems are:

1. Lack of playmakers to run McCarthy's offense which has been slumping since 2012

2. Injuries

3. Failure of coaching staff to adapt offense to fit current personnel

4. Bad play calling, e.g.: running was working vs. Chicago instead they throw to stone hands Adams 400 times

I think that's it.

I don't disagree with any of your points, but how have we been slumping since 2012 on offense? We led the league in scoring last year and when Rodgers was healthy in 2013 we averaged 31 points per game.

[classicrawker]

LIS Aaron is struggling too. The entire offense is out of sync right now. I'm putting more of the blame on the receivers because they've dropped a ton of third down and touchdown catches since the bye. Cobb (Detroit, Minnesota), Jones (every game but Minnesota, though he dropped one there too) and Adams (every game) are all guilty of it.

However, the reason I'm blaming coaching more is that the built in audibles are all basic, vanilla routes. The offense has become too predictable without having a deep threat. The short/intermediate vanilla routes don't work when teams can simply play two high press. We're getting absolutely no production from the tight end position because Dick Rod is basically a goal line threat only (Quarless coming back should help), considering how slow he is and his lack of ability to break a tackle.

McCarthy's refusal to play Janis, even if it's simply a decoy is the dumbest thing I can possibly think of. Literally every time he's even had the chance to touch the ball good things have happened - either a long completion (or the play where Aaron flipped him the ball 5 yards and he ran for 40) or a pass interference. Who cares if he doesn't run the exact correct routes - nobody else can get open anyway and they don't get benched.

Aaron deserves the Carolina loss, though it's hard to score 37 on an undefeated team on the road. He doesn't deserve the Detroit or Chicago losses - that's clearly on the coaching staff and receivers (and Crosby for whatever the fuck happened on the GW field goal vs Detroit)

I wasn't blaming Capers for those losses. I said his defense performs poorly against smart QB's...Stafford and Cutler are not in that category

Not denying that the receivers have been brutal but after watching the Detroit and Chicago games Arod was a big part of the problem IMHO...He is throwing more 3 quarters then over the top so I am guessing his shoulder is worse then anyone is letting on but he has also been very tentative.........

....I do agree they need to play Janis more....can't be worse than what they have now......... .

If Rodgers is injured then the problems again lie with the coaching staff. Here's the play breakdown the past 4 weeks (pass/run):

CHI - 43/24

MIN - 34/30

DET - 61/17

CAR - 48/14

Notice the game we won we had the closest ratio? Especially since all Mac does is talk about how important that ratio is (even saying that he doesn't care if the rushes get yards; it's all about the attempts). 21 of the last 22 plays against the Bears were pass calls...that's ridiculous considering it was raining and the run game was gashing them (the RB's averaged about 6 yards per carry).

Again I think the issues with Rodgers accuracy is being overblown. His decision making (getting the ball out quicker) is his problem, and that's being highlighted by the fact that the receivers can't get open (due to their lack of talent and vanilla routes). Rodgers has put the ball on them numerous times in the perfect position just to have them drop it. This is particularly tough when it happens on third down or when the player is wide open for a touchdown, and when all three receivers are guilty of it.

Thankfully Quarless and Abbrederis are both practicing this week. Don't think either of them plays, but they could be what the offense needs outside of Janis, and since Mac is being stupid and not playing him they seem to be our only hope.

I think it is a combination of all of the above but I think you are downplaying the accuracy issue. I watched all 4 of the games you mentioned above and Arod missed throws he would have made easily in the past. I am sure some of it is related to not being on the same page as the receivers but he made bad throws where the receiver never had a chance to catch I have never seen him make in the past. The receiver was open but Arod could not get him the ball. His throwing motion is very visibly lower then it was when he was throwing well IMHO....

Not sure how it is the coaches fault Arod is not throwing well but I am guessing maybe they feel him playing at 80% is better than Tolzien at 100%

[classicrawker]

The problems are:

1. Lack of playmakers to run McCarthy's offense which has been slumping since 2012

2. Injuries

3. Failure of coaching staff to adapt offense to fit current personnel

4. Bad play calling, e.g.: running was working vs. Chicago instead they throw to stone hands Adams 400 times

I think that's it.

Not sure I agree with lack of playmakers but you and Crazy have a point that the Coaching staff has not adjusted to the talent they have.

I also am amazed at how Packer fans are giving Arod a pass in this whole situation. He has been very tentative and has not been throwing well this season from the games I have watched. You can't hold the ball for 4 seconds plus a lot of time and then throw it away continuously or miss your receivers and expect to be successful.

with Lacy struggling teams are playing a lot of cover 2 and cover 3 coverages which is taking away the middle of the filed so hopefully Lacy is coming around to pull a safety closer to the box.

[Crazyman]

LIS Aaron is struggling too. The entire offense is out of sync right now. I'm putting more of the blame on the receivers because they've dropped a ton of third down and touchdown catches since the bye. Cobb (Detroit, Minnesota), Jones (every game but Minnesota, though he dropped one there too) and Adams (every game) are all guilty of it.

However, the reason I'm blaming coaching more is that the built in audibles are all basic, vanilla routes. The offense has become too predictable without having a deep threat. The short/intermediate vanilla routes don't work when teams can simply play two high press. We're getting absolutely no production from the tight end position because Dick Rod is basically a goal line threat only (Quarless coming back should help), considering how slow he is and his lack of ability to break a tackle.

McCarthy's refusal to play Janis, even if it's simply a decoy is the dumbest thing I can possibly think of. Literally every time he's even had the chance to touch the ball good things have happened - either a long completion (or the play where Aaron flipped him the ball 5 yards and he ran for 40) or a pass interference. Who cares if he doesn't run the exact correct routes - nobody else can get open anyway and they don't get benched.

Aaron deserves the Carolina loss, though it's hard to score 37 on an undefeated team on the road. He doesn't deserve the Detroit or Chicago losses - that's clearly on the coaching staff and receivers (and Crosby for whatever the fuck happened on the GW field goal vs Detroit)

I wasn't blaming Capers for those losses. I said his defense performs poorly against smart QB's...Stafford and Cutler are not in that category

Not denying that the receivers have been brutal but after watching the Detroit and Chicago games Arod was a big part of the problem IMHO...He is throwing more 3 quarters then over the top so I am guessing his shoulder is worse then anyone is letting on but he has also been very tentative.........

....I do agree they need to play Janis more....can't be worse than what they have now......... .

If Rodgers is injured then the problems again lie with the coaching staff. Here's the play breakdown the past 4 weeks (pass/run):

CHI - 43/24

MIN - 34/30

DET - 61/17

CAR - 48/14

Notice the game we won we had the closest ratio? Especially since all Mac does is talk about how important that ratio is (even saying that he doesn't care if the rushes get yards; it's all about the attempts). 21 of the last 22 plays against the Bears were pass calls...that's ridiculous considering it was raining and the run game was gashing them (the RB's averaged about 6 yards per carry).

Again I think the issues with Rodgers accuracy is being overblown. His decision making (getting the ball out quicker) is his problem, and that's being highlighted by the fact that the receivers can't get open (due to their lack of talent and vanilla routes). Rodgers has put the ball on them numerous times in the perfect position just to have them drop it. This is particularly tough when it happens on third down or when the player is wide open for a touchdown, and when all three receivers are guilty of it.

Thankfully Quarless and Abbrederis are both practicing this week. Don't think either of them plays, but they could be what the offense needs outside of Janis, and since Mac is being stupid and not playing him they seem to be our only hope.

I think it is a combination of all of the above but I think you are downplaying the accuracy issue. I watched all 4 of the games you mentioned above and Arod missed throws he would have made easily in the past. I am sure some of it is related to not being on the same page as the receivers but he made bad throws where the receiver never had a chance to catch I have never seen him make in the past. The receiver was open but Arod could not get him the ball. His throwing motion is very visibly lower then it was when he was throwing well IMHO....

Not sure how it is the coaches fault Arod is not throwing well but I am guessing maybe they feel him playing at 80% is better than Tolzien at 100%

We must be watching different games because imo, Rodgers biggest problem hasn't been accuracy, it's been decision making. Sure, he hasn't been his normal super human-like accurate the past few games, but he's placed more perfectly accurate passes that have simply been dropped versus poorly thrown passes during that time. Not to mention, he's throwing it to a slot guy as his #1, a black hole as a #2 and an inconsistent #3, all of who are running iso routes on every play (and not getting open).

The space he's had to throw into this year has been severely limited, which in turn is limiting his accuracy. It's hard to get the ball out quick when you run an iso route and the other team is playing two high press and your receivers can't get open off the line (i.e why the ball doesn't come out quickly) and it's hard to throw it accurately when you need to let routes develop and you have pressure in your face by the time the receivers get down field and your receivers still don't get open. For example that pick on Thursday was a microcosm on Mac and Adams - Mac not scheming correctly and Adams not getting to the ball. Rodgers threw it accurately to the spot Adams would be at if he won his matchup; he didn't, and the ball was an easy pick for Porter.

My blame list is:

A. McCarthy/Clements (mostly Mac, for the many reasons outlined)

B. Adams (then the rest of the receivers, including DickRod)

C. Rodgers

D. Injuries (though this is tied directly to Mac and to a lesser degree Clements)

Edit: I believe the Packers receivers have the second slowest 40 times (without Jordy)...the slowest is the Patriots. You know what Bill does extremely well, other than cheat? They run schemes that allow their players to get open. That's why the blame is almost entirely on Mac - he's too lazy or stubborn to adjust. Also the lack of playing time for the closest player the Packers have to Jordy, even if he's extremely raw. Then the lack of commitment to the run, even when it's working. I could continue on, but I think you get the point

Edited November 30, 2015 by Crazyman