Things about the GNR story that still make no sense to you..

[DieselDaisy]

How did Axl go from this,

the plan is to drop the record, have a bunch of extra tracks, about a year or so down the road drop another record and drop a third record. This is a three-stage thing

To this,

[Apollo]

How did Axl go from this,

the plan is to drop the record, have a bunch of extra tracks, about a year or so down the road drop another record and drop a third record. This is a three-stage thing

To this,

Reading that quote just makes me sad. What happened Axl? Why did you change your mind?

Five guys came out off the sunset strip only known to the people that visited the shows, in 3-4 years they would become some of the most famous entertainers on the planet, from the ugly streets to five star hotels & caviar. My question is...how much did the Illusion tour take out of the band physically & emotionally? Slash & Duff didn't seem bothered that they signed the rights to Axl..at the time, the mammoth touring and the partying and all the while, being the envy of other bands because your just that famous but did the Illusion tour your finish off the classic lineup or could they honestly not top the Illusion records in terms of grandiosity & trying to stayin touch with the fan base.

Other bands managed to stay together and productive from that same era. Bon Jovi. Metallica. Heck, I think Def Leppards first album came out in maybe 1981. Heck all of those bands hit the scene before GnR did. Even Mötley started in the early early 80s. Mötley were all dirt bags when they joined forces. And that band drank and did more drugs than GnR.

Your point has merit.

But then you have to wonder why the other heavyweight bands were able to keep it together.

[alfierose]

I think money has something to do with it. I have no idea how things are split in Def Leppard or Motley Crue but I suspect they may rely on each other a little more. Axl became much richer than the other members of GNR due in part to the amount of royalties per song, he can afford to get by without technically needing the original members.

[axljungle]

Why has Axl's voice changed EVERY year? Why has no-one including Axl acknowledged this? Why did Axl go from looking how you'd expect him to look in 2001 to looking... weird in 2002?

Is not true, Axl has the same voice (when he talks sounds equal). The different is the way he sings, he forced his voice a lot of times n' is not easy to sing in this way. Besides he is not in shape form, n' in the Axl's performs is importan.

If he sits n' sing with his own voice, he'll haven't any problem, but...we love the way he sounded with forced voice.

[T-Minus]

DGay Assbag

[liers]

When does round one end and round two begin?

[Słash]

Five guys came out off the sunset strip only known to the people that visited the shows, in 3-4 years they would become some of the most famous entertainers on the planet, from the ugly streets to five star hotels & caviar. My question is...how much did the Illusion tour take out of the band physically & emotionally? Slash & Duff didn't seem bothered that they signed the rights to Axl..at the time, the mammoth touring and the partying and all the while, being the envy of other bands because your just that famous but did the Illusion tour your finish off the classic lineup or could they honestly not top the Illusion records in terms of grandiosity & trying to stayin touch with the fan base.

illusions tour was big and everyone was totally fucked up during the tour for different reasons, but they came out and played for the fans, I guess during 1994 to 1996, they could have easily been in the studio if certain members took things seriously, I know a lot was going in their personal life, but if they showed up in the studio together and din't have miscommunication with each other, they we could have easily seen a good new record.

[BangoSkank]

How did Axl go from this,

the plan is to drop the record, have a bunch of extra tracks, about a year or so down the road drop another record and drop a third record. This is a three-stage thing

To this,

Where's that quote from? And I suspect the struggle for even releasing Chinese Democracy, the departure of Finck, Brain, & Bucket, and just the general shit directed at Axl from the public and press took the wind out of him.

I also bet the record company rejecting the 2010 album put a damper on this plan. I mean, if they reject it, there goes the second part of the three stage plan.

Let's not forget the lawsuit(s) loss that made him go on the 2011 tour.

[RJ88]

The only question I have, is why is Axl so scared to release new music? Considering he said he doesn't want to live on past accomplishments (old songs), he's contradicting himself here...

[Słash]

The only question I have, is why is Axl so scared to release new music? Considering he said he doesn't want to live on past accomplishments (old songs), he's contradicting himself here...

I have a feeling that Nosaj will reply "BECAUSE HE IS A COWARD!"

[DieselDaisy]

How did Axl go from this,

the plan is to drop the record, have a bunch of extra tracks, about a year or so down the road drop another record and drop a third record. This is a three-stage thing

To this,

Where's that quote from? And I suspect the struggle for even releasing Chinese Democracy, the departure of Finck, Brain, & Bucket, and just the general shit directed at Axl from the public and press took the wind out of him.

I also bet the record company rejecting the 2010 album put a damper on this plan. I mean, if they reject it, there goes the second part of the three stage plan.

Let's not forget the lawsuit(s) loss that made him go on the 2011 tour.

Assuming you are correct (which I do not believe for a second), that the reason we did not get albums #2 and #3 has nothing to do with Axl, that still does not explain why he ended up becoming a washed out Vegas performer. Band departures and lawsuits does not inherently make one desire GN'R themed poker chips! Anyhow, aren't we told constantly by Axl diehards that this line-up is the most stable ever: 2009-14 assuming Bumblefoot is out? Basically Axl hit the casinos during a period when he possessed his longest most stable line-up.

The ''general shit directed at Axl from the public and press took the wind out of him''? This is the sort of vague defense which when analysed is actually not sustainable. Chinese Democracy's reviews were good! The live shows generally got good reviews! Yes, he got shit for the 2002 debacle and he deserved it. And the main reason he gets shit directed at him here is because he never releases anything.

[Liquor & Whores]

montreal 2010 when axl said you deserve the truth but tonights not the night

same with

why didn't Axl release his book/autobiography and let the world hear his story?

[BangoSkank]

I also bet the record company rejecting the 2010 album put a damper on this plan. I mean, if they reject it, there goes the second part of the three stage plan.

What was this all about? I had no idea the label had rejected a follow-up to CD.

Do you have more info?

It's a rumor, but one from a fairly reliable place. Axl apparently turned in a self-titled album in 2010 only to have it rejected by the label. Following that we have him losing a lawsuit and essentially having to go on the road in 2011 for financial and legal reasons. Not surprising if it burned him out or if he decided he didn't want to deal with the BS of the industry anymore.

Not written in stone, but that's as good as you can get in the GN'R world when it comes to behind the scenes info. There were a couple of things pointing to it too. A tweet from Axl, MSL's alleged leaked emails and info, etc. Other people here can actually explain it a bit better than me, but that's essentially the story.

[Słash]

Well even if the Label turned down the album, if Axl cared to release some music for his fans, he could have easily released the music under his label and under his name and could have toured on the GNR name, but well he doesn't even wants to release music, he just wants to make excuses.

[BangoSkank]

How did Axl go from this,

the plan is to drop the record, have a bunch of extra tracks, about a year or so down the road drop another record and drop a third record. This is a three-stage thing

To this,

Where's that quote from? And I suspect the struggle for even releasing Chinese Democracy, the departure of Finck, Brain, & Bucket, and just the general shit directed at Axl from the public and press took the wind out of him.

I also bet the record company rejecting the 2010 album put a damper on this plan. I mean, if they reject it, there goes the second part of the three stage plan.

Let's not forget the lawsuit(s) loss that made him go on the 2011 tour.

Assuming you are correct (which I do not believe for a second), that the reason we did not get albums #2 and #3 has nothing to do with Axl, that still does not explain why he ended up becoming a washed out Vegas performer. Band departures and lawsuits does not inherently make one desire GN'R themed poker chips! Anyhow, aren't we told constantly by Axl diehards that this line-up is the most stable ever: 2009-14 assuming Bumblefoot is out? Basically Axl hit the casinos during a period when he possessed his longest most stable line-up.

The ''general shit directed at Axl from the public and press took the wind out of him''? This is the sort of vague defense which when analysed is actually not sustainable. Chinese Democracy's reviews were good! The live shows generally got good reviews! Yes, he got shit for the 2002 debacle and he deserved it. And the main reason he gets shit directed at him here is because he never releases anything.

I think you believe me a bit. Anyway, I think the reason we do not have albums #2 & #3 is part Axl, part record label, and part music industry trends.

Axl is an emotional perfectionist who sometimes loses interest in what he's doing and gets apathetic. Notoriously difficult to work with, but also capable of making truly awesome music. He also has horrific time management skills and is awake at bizarre hours when no one else wants to make an album.

The record label probably would love a GN'R album, but they are so in the hole on the entire Chinese Democracy project that they probably want some changes made to an album that doesn't have mainstream appeal. And they probably do not see big money in a new GN'R album without a reunion. Also, if they tell him to change it, you can see Axl rebelling and not wanting to release it. All just my theory, but no matter what I will not believe that a record company is dying for a new album from NuGuns. They may want it, but given the sales and response to NuGuns, they'll want it as accessible as possible for a mainstream audience. PS - It did not sell that well. No one buys albums anymore and they need a ton of money for it to be profitable. It did pretty good, but it cost an astronomical sum of money and opened at #3 in the U.S.

I have no idea what Axl die hards say. I don't go to HTGTH because it's a censored shit hole and there are almost zero Axl supporters here. Maybe five frequent ones at most. So when people complain about "Axl Nutters" I really have no idea what they're talking about.

And people here (and elsewhere) are far more vicious towards him than warranted. People talk about his weight, his looks, how he's insane, etc. etc. this in the mainstream press too! It's really popular thought that he's an egomaniac. Remember the internet the day after RiR '11? Yes, he looked like shit and his weight ballooned, but wow. People who didn't give a shit about the band were coming out the woodwork to talk about how fat he'd gotten.

As for your Vegas comment, no idea. I think for all the reasons I listed (and some we don't know about) he's just thrown in the towel and wants a semi-peacful life. It's sad, I still think he can do some great stuff if he tried, but he doesn't seem all that interested. More than anything I just want his fuckin' voice back in shape and for the setlist to change.

Edited July 15, 2015 by BangoSkank

[ChineseIRS]

Well even if the Label turned down the album, if Axl cared to release some music for his fans, he could have easily released the music under his label and under his name and could have toured on the GNR name, but well he doesn't even wants to release music, he just wants to make excuses.

Not necessarily. The record company fronted the millions of dollars for Axl to record all those songs, not just the 14 that came out on Chinese. Its a great probability that they own the masters and that would make it impossible for Axl to release them on his own label or under his own name without their approval.

That said, i dont think the label is holding back a "Guns N' Roses" release. I think its Axl wants money for a promotion plan that the record company doesnt want to fork up, so Axl refuses to release it without that.

[tomfriend]

The 2010 rejected album rumour absolutely reeks of bullshit. Not one band member has said that this is the case. No one from the record company has said this is the case. Axl 'everybody's out ta get me' Rose has never said this is the case despite having toured and had the opportunity to assuage himself of blame for the album situation by saying so or playing any new song live on any given night during the last several years.

The idea that the record company would prefer seven years with nothing to sell over putting out a mediocre album and receiving revenue is the kind of dogshit notion only a complete apehead could dig up.

Edited July 15, 2015 by tomfriend

[maynard]

There's no 2010 album. Fake story from a guy who hangs out with child molesters.

[Apollo]

The only question I have, is why is Axl so scared to release new music? Considering he said he doesn't want to live on past accomplishments (old songs), he's contradicting himself here...

especially considering he has said that he's got two albums already in the can.

I'm also a bit confused.

Some say they love Axl because he doesn't give a f*ck what people think........others say he cares too much about what others think.

Can't be both.

[BangoSkank]

The only question I have, is why is Axl so scared to release new music? Considering he said he doesn't want to live on past accomplishments (old songs), he's contradicting himself here...

especially considering he has said that he's got two albums already in the can.

I'm also a bit confused.

Some say they love Axl because he doesn't give a f*ck what people think........others say he cares too much about what others think.

Can't be both.

The weird thing is it kind of is.

[Brunzopolis]

Like others have said: so many questions about his voice.

At the last show old GNR did, in Argentina, or wherever that was, we hear "Mickey" starting to come out. Did this have anything to do with the breakup, and what else happened in the next few years?

How hard has Axl tried to "fix" his voice. Does he care? Not care? Is it a big deal to him? Is he even really aware of how much it has changed? Is it permanently damaged? Is it possible to fix? Has he ever sought outside opinions about it? Vocal coaches? Doctors? That vocal coach guy that was mentioned in the Mitch Lafon interview of Doug Goldstein...how long was he around for? What did he try? How about TB and others in the inner circle? Or the band? What has their input been? Is it discussed? Never discussed?

Aside from the voice thing, I'm still mildly curious about the Sorelle Saidman book that got kiboshed.

It probably was because it had info about the death of Axl's bio-dad. It's understandable that he'd go to significant lengths to not let that info come out. I'm still curious though. It's hard not to be.

[BangoSkank]

Well even if the Label turned down the album, if Axl cared to release some music for his fans, he could have easily released the music under his label and under his name and could have toured on the GNR name, but well he doesn't even wants to release music, he just wants to make excuses.

Not necessarily. The record company fronted the millions of dollars for Axl to record all those songs, not just the 14 that came out on Chinese. Its a great probability that they own the masters and that would make it impossible for Axl to release them on his own label or under his own name without their approval.

That said, i dont think the label is holding back a "Guns N' Roses" release. I think its Axl wants money for a promotion plan that the record company doesnt want to fork up, so Axl refuses to release it without that.

The last bit could definitely be true. And according to Marc that's what held up CD for the last stretch and it took Dr. Pepper's campaign (which was done entirely in jest) to get it released.

[Hollywood Gunner]

thing that makes the least sense to me in the entire gnr story (and its a long story) is why in the fuck did axl hire ashba?

only logical reason i can think of is to show slash "hey look! even a chick can play your parts" but he shoulda just hired a chick. that woulda made more sense

the bucket made sense

Edited July 16, 2015 by Hollywood Gunner

[maynard]

Like others have said: so many questions about his voice.

At the last show old GNR did, in Argentina, or wherever that was, we hear "Mickey" starting to come out. Did this have anything to do with the breakup, and what else happened in the next few years?

How hard has Axl tried to "fix" his voice. Does he care? Not care? Is it a big deal to him? Is he even really aware of how much it has changed? Is it permanently damaged? Is it possible to fix? Has he ever sought outside opinions about it? Vocal coaches? Doctors? That vocal coach guy that was mentioned in the Mitch Lafon interview of Doug Goldstein...how long was he around for? What did he try? How about TB and others in the inner circle? Or the band? What has their input been? Is it discussed? Never discussed?

Aside from the voice thing, I'm still mildly curious about the Sorelle Saidman book that got kiboshed.

It probably was because it had info about the death of Axl's bio-dad. It's understandable that he'd go to significant lengths to not let that info come out. I'm still curious though. It's hard not to be.

In what song does he sing with the clean high voice in Argentina 93?

[ZoSoRose]

Does Beta really by take care of him?