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9 hours ago, Blackstar said:

I haven't read the other book. There are some examples of this kind of writing in this one, like: "Privately, however, Axl felt more alone than he ever felt before. First Steven, then Izzy ... now Slash? What was happening to him? In the most fragile moment of the night, he blamed himself. That's when Doug would get the calls from Beta, begging him to come over and talk Axl down [*]. Up to face the day, though, Axl would know again that it wasn't him it was them. Fuck 'em all!"

[*] Doug Goldstein says that during that period Beta would call him in the middle of the night because Axl was sitting in his bed with a gun in his mouth crying.

When was this? The mid 90s when Slash left?

That's what it sounds like from the other part above, but the writing so cringeworthy I can't even take it seriously. As someone said in the other thread, this reads like fanfiction or prose from some random novel.

Sad if it's true though. Axl constantly sitting on his bed at night, and crying with a gun in his mouth is way worse than I expected.

I knew he took Slash leaving badly, but that is something else.

 

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And happy birthday @dgnr ! Wish I could give you a Slaxl pic or something, but I don't have anything. Though the sad story above kind of counts as 'Slaxl evidence', I think.

 

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2 minutes ago, Andy14 said:

@killuridols :rofl-lol::rofl-lol: You sure did not enjoy making this present lol. 

Btw. it's almost my birthday as well (in some 202 days :ph34r:), will I get my present, too? :smiley-confused2:

IT'S SO EASY for me to make this kind of present. I really do not need to think much, aye? :devilshades:

 

Oh yeah, you'll get my present as well---- You know it hides in my tongue :awesomeface:

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1 hour ago, Frey said:

When was this? The mid 90s when Slash left?

That's what it sounds like from the other part above, but the writing so cringeworthy I can't even take it seriously. As someone said in the other thread, this reads like fanfiction or prose from some random novel.

Sad if it's true though. Axl constantly sitting on his bed at night, and crying with a gun in his mouth is way worse than I expected.

I knew he took Slash leaving badly, but that is something else.

Yes, it was in the mid 90s. Goldstein says that Axl, being still devastated about Stephanie, collapsed when Slash left (I guess the deaths of Shannon Hoon and his mother that happened in between weighed too).  I've got Goldstein's quotes from the book ready but the majority of the thread doesn't seem to be in the mood for heavy/sad stuff these days.

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Happy birthday, @dgnr :) 

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27 minutes ago, Blackstar said:

Yes, it was in the mid 90s. Goldstein says that Axl, being still devastated about Stephanie, collapsed when Slash left (I guess the deaths of Shannon Hoon and his mother that happened in between weighed too).  I've got Goldstein's quotes from the book ready but the majority of the thread doesn't seem to be in the mood for heavy/sad stuff these days.

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Happy birthday, @dgnr :) 

Oh please feel free to post the quotes when you feel like it.

Discussing Axl's ass or clothing choices doesn't do much for me, so I'm always up for heavy and serious discussion.

 

 

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Yeah @Blackstar, go ahead :)

 

In the meanwhile, I'll leave this link here..... because.... I knew it wasn't a good idea for GN'R to get involved in politics  :rolleyes:

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When you read McKagan’s argument which attempts to show politicians cannot take away guns, keep in mind that it is part of the same article in which he supports politicians banning whole categories of guns–“AK-47s and the like.”

http://www.breitbart.com/big-hollywood/2016/11/23/guns-n-rose-duff-mckagan-ban-ak-47s-expand-background-checks-socialism-works

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4 minutes ago, Frey said:

 

:rofl-lol::rofl-lol::rofl-lol:

:rofl-lol::rofl-lol::rofl-lol:

 

@Jane M. See, I told ya :awesomeface:

 

Well, when something called a book about a band, knows when dicks tickle or someone feels more alone than ever, well, one you should be sceptical. ;)

But we establishes earlier that Mick Wall only wants to earn some pounds with the reunion, right? Why would exactly Beta or Goldstein tell Mick Wall anything about how Axl felt or if he would sit up in his bed pondering suicide or not.

Still the thought seems not completely impossible and it makes me sad. But still, how would he know?

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13 minutes ago, KiraMPD said:

Speaking for Mick Wall's recent book, I was reading the first few pages provided in Amazon and saw this...

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Interesting segue. :lol:

(OMG it really does read like a fanfiction!)

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Happy birthday @dgnr:thumbsup:

The whole of Axls story from his childhood to moving to LA (the only part I've read so far) reads like that. It's a very odd way of writing. 

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8 minutes ago, killuridols said:

How long til he talks about the ass? :devilshades:

That Mick Wall jackass has stolen my style. He must have spent the whole year reading this thread, getting inspired on my greatness :P

:lol:

I quoted the wrong person, I keep getting kicked out of this thread and signed out. What I've read so far does read a lot like fanfiction, I'm sure the ass can't be many pages away! 

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2 hours ago, Tori72 said:

Well, when something called a book about a band, knows when dicks tickle or someone feels more alone than ever, well, one you should be sceptical. ;)

But we establishes earlier that Mick Wall only wants to earn some pounds with the reunion, right? Why would exactly Beta or Goldstein tell Mick Wall anything about how Axl felt or if he would sit up in his bed pondering suicide or not.

Still the thought seems not completely impossible and it makes me sad. But still, how would he know?

The majority of the quotes in the book are either from interviews Mick Wall had done before his fallout with Axl and the band (he says that after a small break he has remained in good terms with Slash, but I don't think they're in contact now) or from third party sources. The only people he spoke directly with are Niven, Goldstein and the omnipresent Vicky Hamilton (the "anonymous insiders" he references don't count). All three of them have been left out from the reunion celebration, so they feel free to open their mouths for their version of events - Niven and Vicky Hamilton have been doing it more than often over the years anyway.

2 hours ago, Frey said:

Oh please feel free to post the quotes when you feel like it.

Discussing Axl's ass or clothing choices doesn't do much for me, so I'm always up for heavy and serious discussion.

Yeah, there's more in GnR than Axl's ass :D(although I can't say I don't enjoy seeing pictures of it :ph34r:)

Anyway, since I've got the okay from @killuridols too:

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Another mention of Axl having a gun in his mouth in a direct quote from Goldstein (in the context of him using it as evidence for his loyalty and importance in Axl's life):

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2 hours ago, killuridols said:

In the meanwhile, I'll leave this link here..... because.... I knew it wasn't a good idea for GN'R to get involved in politics  :rolleyes:

http://www.breitbart.com/big-hollywood/2016/11/23/guns-n-rose-duff-mckagan-ban-ak-47s-expand-background-checks-socialism-works

This website is obviously conservative/pro-Republican to the bone, so it was expected that it would bash Duff and Axl.

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1 hour ago, Blackstar said:

The majority of the quotes in the book are either from interviews Mick Wall had done before his fallout with Axl and the band (he says that after a small break he has remained in good terms with Slash, but I don't think they're in contact now) or from third party sources. The only people he spoke directly with are Niven, Goldstein and the omnipresent Vicky Hamilton (the "anonymous insiders" he references don't count). All three of them have been left out from the reunion celebration, so they feel free to open their mouths for their version of events - Niven and Vicky Hamilton have been doing it more than often over the years anyway.

Yeah, there's more in GnR than Axl's ass :D(although I can't say I don't enjoy seeing pictures of it :ph34r:)

Anyway, since I've got the okay from @killuridols too:

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Another mention of Axl having a gun in his mouth in a direct quote from Goldstein (in the context of him using it as evidence for his loyalty and importance in Axl's life):

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This website is obviously conservative/pro-Republican to the bone, so it was expected that it would bash Duff and Axl.

I would be inclined to agree

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1 hour ago, Blackstar said:

Anyway, since I've got the okay from @killuridols too:

goldst4.jpg

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Another mention of Axl having a gun in his mouth in a direct quote from Goldstein (in the context of him using it as evidence for his loyalty and importance in Axl's life):

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Wow, what a heavy reading...... but nothing that I haven't heard before. :shrugs:

I know Goldstein and all that people are not cool in Axl's books anymore but I don't think this guy is lying. I have good sources that have talked to me about Axl's mental health, the whole Stephanie thing, and all the ways he tried to get rid of this heartbreak.

Too bad he took all of his problems this way and he had very few people to lean on when he went through the worst of times. When I was a kid in the 90's I also feared that he would commit suicide. Actually, after Shannon's and Kurt's deaths, the next black news I was expecting to hear about were from Axl :(

Personally, I think his depression is what made him react like that to Stephanie and Slash abandonment and not something these people particularly did to him. As I will never believe he was "in love" with Stephanie. He just put her on a pedestal who knows why, but the relationshipt was so weak that I really don't know how can he think he was truly in love with her or that he loved the kid.

It was all a fantasy he created in his mind and he held on to it, probably out of desperation.

I really hope he's in a better place now..... At least, he got Slash back.

 

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1 hour ago, Blackstar said:

This website is obviously conservative/pro-Republican to the bone, so it was expected that it would bash Duff and Axl.

I don't think they bash him.... All the time after reading his piece I knew it was poorly written and it lacked strong arguements so it is so easy to destroy it.

That's why I dont want them to get into this mess because I know they don't have the preparation to debate politics.

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4 minutes ago, killuridols said:

I don't think they bash him.... All the time after reading his piece I knew it was poorly written and it lacked strong arguements so it is so easy to destroy it.

That's why I dont want them to get into this mess because I know they don't have the preparation to debate politics.

I wouldn't go that far....freedom of speech, opinion and expressive thought applies to everyone.  Duff is right though, weapons shouldn't be sold to just anyone. When I purchased my firearm even though I am military personnel I still had to go through the same red tape as everyone else. So I think the columnist kind of had his blinders on a bit. 

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