GNR Women's discussion

[Rocketqueen76]

1 minute ago, Ubukitty said:

Happy Thanksgiving to you too @Jane M. and Happy Birthday to @dgnr. Happy Thanksgiving to all of you celebrating today.

I am all turkeyed out already....trying to fight the itis

[Whiskey Rose]

Happy Birthday dgnr!! (fecking site won't let me tag right now).

[killuridols]

2 minutes ago, Rocketqueen76 said:

I wouldn't go that far....freedom of speech, opinion and expressive thought applies to everyone.  Duff is right though, weapons shouldn't be sold to just anyone. When I purchased my firearm even though I am military personnel I still had to go through the same red tape as everyone else. So I think the columnist kind of had his blinders on a bit. 

Wouldn't go that far in relation to what?

I don't know why a lot of people continually pull out this "freedom of speech" card all the time as if it was some sort of holy sacred thing or free pass for anything and its starting to make no sense.

Not my intention to offend you and I hope you don't but can we not bring that up anymore? Why? Because to me this is inherently obvious and redundant that every person has the right to "speak their mind, give their opinion" and all that blah blah.

Yes, I know. We all know that.

Now... what's the point of me giving my opinion on topics or subjects I know nothing about?

Duff is writting for an online publication so he's just not a guy, sitting at a coffee bar in downtown, talking to some other guys who have nothing else to do. He's using media to express his views and opinions. That's different and it comes with a responsability.

I do agree with him about the background checks but the columnist is saying these background checks already exist so I don't see how he has "his blinders on"

Duff's piece is poorly written and it shows some serious contradictions that can be easily exposed and that's why I think it is not a good article.

Quote

I’m just a regular guy, neither “pro” nor “anti” gun…

That's one of the weakest parts. Not taking a firm position on the matter makes him lose all points.

 

 

[Blackstar]

1 hour ago, killuridols said:

Wow, what a heavy reading...... but nothing that I haven't heard before.

I know Goldstein and all that people are not cool in Axl's books anymore but I don't think this guy is lying. I have good sources that have talked to me about Axl's mental health, the whole Stephanie thing, and all the ways he tried to get rid of this heartbreak.

Too bad he took all of his problems this way and he had very few people to lean on when he went through the worst of times. When I was a kid in the 90's I also feared that he would commit suicide. Actually, after Shannon's and Kurt's deaths, the next black news I was expecting to hear about were from Axl

Personally, I think his depression is what made him react like that to Stephanie and Slash abandonment and not something these people particularly did to him. As I will never believe he was "in love" with Stephanie. He just put her on a pedestal who knows why, but the relationshipt was so weak that I really don't know how can he think he was truly in love with her or that he loved the kid.

It was all a fantasy he created in his mind and he held on to it, probably out of desperation.

I really hope he's in a better place now..... At least, he got Slash back.

Although I don't give much credit to what Goldstein says given his role in the band, his embarrassing letter and the fact he has lied in the past, I don't think he's lying about this one either.

And yeah, apparently Stephanie and Slash were not the cause for Axl's mental health issues, it was the other way around.

1 hour ago, killuridols said:

I don't think they bash him.... All the time after reading his piece I knew it was poorly written and it lacked strong arguements so it is so easy to destroy it.

That's why I dont want them to get into this mess because I know they don't have the preparation to debate politics.

Regarding the Breitbart.com website, after browsing through it and doing some external research, I can tell that it's not just pro-Republican, it identifies with the most extreme/far right fringe of the Republican party, openly flirting with "white supremacy" ideas. See this for example: http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2016/11/24/liberals-preparing-shame-relatives-voting-trump-thanksgiving-dinner/

I've been following American politics to an extent, because, like it or not, what happens there concerns all of us. I can't say I completely understand it, even though in the last decades the political spectrum in European countries tends to be "americanized". Certain aspects of the political debate in America are still difficult for me to relate to, for example the fact that the Democrats are considered "left" (here "liberal" and "left are different things) or that a mild social welfare policy is considered "socialism" or that the society there is so polarized with issues like abortions and guns control (we have solved these issues here decades ago).

My country is a lot like yours in terms of people's active participation in politics (although lately there is a sentiment of frustration and defeat among people); today, for example, we had a general strike and march and there will be another one in a few days. I realize though that America is a very different society, and this is one of the reasons I don't expect as much as you do from Axl, Duff and Slash regarding their political activity and views.

Edited November 25, 2016 by Blackstar

[killuridols]

2 minutes ago, Blackstar said:

Regarding the Breitbart.com website, after browsing through it and doing some external research, I can tell that it's not just pro-Republican, it identifies with the most extreme/far right fringe of the Republican party, openly flirting with "white supremacy" ideas. See this for example: http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2016/11/24/liberals-preparing-shame-relatives-voting-trump-thanksgiving-dinner/

I've been following American politics to an extent, because, like it or not, what happens there concerns all of us. I can't say I can completely relate, although in the last decades the political spectrum in European countries tends to be "americanized". Certain aspects of the political debate in America are like another world, for example the fact that the Democrats are considered "left" or that a mild social welfare policy is considered "socialism" or that the society there is polarized with abortions and guns control (we have solved these issues here decades ago).

My country is a lot like yours in terms of people's active participation in politics (although lately there is a sentiment of frustration and defeat among people); today, for example, we had a general strike and march and there will be another one in a few days. I realize though that America is a very different society, and this is one of the reasons I don't expect as much as you do from Axl, Duff and Slash regarding the "depth" of their political views.

Yeah, these past two years that I went to post-graduate school and we talked about politics a lot, our teachers told us how our understanding of socialism, left, right, liberalism and other terms is not the same as we use them here and in Europe. This summer there is a little course on American politics and I'm tempted to enroll on it but I have so many essays to deliver yet for all the courses and seminars I took, that it would be just adding a whole new load of books and weight to my shoulders, so I think I'll pass

As for the American society, yes, I realize the average American is pretty ignorant on a lot of subjects and not very much involved in their politics but there are some bright minds in their top Colleges too so I don't want to generalize in that aspect. And no, I wasn't expecting GN'R level of knowledge to be the same as an academic person but when you venture to write for a publication, I think your level has to rise above average or you'll end up an embarassment and that's what's happening to Duff right now, regardless of how extremist that website is, I'm nothing like them or even support gun posession but from the moment I read his piece I knew how weak it was and how sooner or later it would end up as food for the vultures

And that is the reason why I dont want them to expose themselves like that; not because I think they don't have a right to express their opinion but because I know how dirty and cruel the politics scenario is and I don't want them to get hurt or ridiculized or made fun of.

[Rocketqueen76]

54 minutes ago, killuridols said:

Yeah, these past two years that I went to post-graduate school and we talked about politics a lot, our teachers told us how our understanding of socialism, left, right, liberalism and other terms is not the same as we use them here and in Europe. This summer there is a little course on American politics and I'm tempted to enroll on it but I have so many essays to deliver yet for all the courses and seminars I took, that it would be just adding a whole new load of books and weight to my shoulders, so I think I'll pass

As for the American society, yes, I realize the average American is pretty ignorant on a lot of subjects and not very much involved in their politics but there are some bright minds in their top Colleges too so I don't want to generalize in that aspect. And no, I wasn't expecting GN'R level of knowledge to be the same as an academic person but when you venture to write for a publication, I think your level has to rise above average or you'll end up an embarassment and that's what's happening to Duff right now, regardless of how extremist that website is, I'm nothing like them or even support gun posession but from the moment I read his piece I knew how weak it was and how sooner or later it would end up as food for the vultures

And that is the reason why I dont want them to expose themselves like that; not because I think they don't have a right to express their opinion but because I know how dirty and cruel the politics scenario is and I don't want them to get hurt or ridiculized or made fun of.

I need a few strong drinks......

[Blackstar]

1 hour ago, killuridols said:

Yeah, these past two years that I went to post-graduate school and we talked about politics a lot, our teachers told us how our understanding of socialism, left, right, liberalism and other terms is not the same as we use them here and in Europe. This summer there is a little course on American politics and I'm tempted to enroll on it but I have so many essays to deliver yet for all the courses and seminars I took, that it would be just adding a whole new load of books and weight to my shoulders, so I think I'll pass

As for the American society, yes, I realize the average American is pretty ignorant on a lot of subjects and not very much involved in their politics but there are some bright minds in their top Colleges too so I don't want to generalize in that aspect. And no, I wasn't expecting GN'R level of knowledge to be the same as an academic person but when you venture to write for a publication, I think your level has to rise above average or you'll end up an embarassment and that's what's happening to Duff right now, regardless of how extremist that website is, I'm nothing like them or even support gun posession but from the moment I read his piece I knew how weak it was and how sooner or later it would end up as food for the vultures

And that is the reason why I dont want them to expose themselves like that; not because I think they don't have a right to express their opinion but because I know how dirty and cruel the politics scenario is and I don't want them to get hurt or ridiculized or made fun of.

Apparently I was referring to the average American and more specifically to the "average American celebrity" and my comment wasn't meant to be "evaluative" or judgemental of political thought and activity in America; I just wanted to point out the difference of perception.

As for Duff's article, it was intentionally diplomatic (he aspires to be the voice of reason and appeasement ). Yes, it contained a lot of clichés, but I wouldn't call it an embarrassment considering that, apart from people like Susan Sarandon, Michael Moore etc., it's not below the level of what other celebrities from the entertainment world have said/written.

I'm glad they expressed themselves and said as much. I think it's better than playing it safe by not saying anything or writing only about countries on the other side of the world (of course they have the right to do that too).

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On a side note, after reading the part about guns control in Duff's article, I think I'm able to understand how he managed to bring Axl and Slash back together: "No Axl, I'm not saying Slash was right and you were wrong, you were both right"

 

 

Edited November 25, 2016 by Blackstar

[SerenityScorp]

2 hours ago, Whiskey Rose said:

Happy Birthday dgnr!! (fecking site won't let me tag right now).

Who?

 

 

 

 

Well I hope Slash doesnt make Axl cry again 

Edited November 25, 2016 by SerenityScorp

[Andy14]

This is so cute 

[killuridols]

6 minutes ago, Blackstar said:

Apparently I was referring to the average American and more specifically to the "average American celebrity" and my comment wasn't meant to be "evaluative" or judgemental of political thought and activity in America; I just wanted to point out the difference of perception.

As for Duff's article, it was intentionally diplomatic (he aspires to be the voice of reason and appeasement ). Yes, it contained a lot of clichés, but I wouldn't call it an embarrassment considering that, apart from people like Susan Sarandon, Michael Moore etc., it's not below the level of what other celebrities from the entertainment world have said/written.

I'm glad they expressed themselves and said as much. I think it's better than playing it safe by not saying anything or writing only about countries on the other side of the world.

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On a side note, after reading the part about guns control in Duff's article, I think I'm able to understand how he managed to bring Axl and Slash back together: "No Axl, I'm not saying Slash was right and you were wrong, you were both right"

Oh, I don't know, you said "american society" and didn't make a distinction but okay, celebrities are citizens too so I don't think they are not affected by politics.

I know Duff wants to be "diplomatic" in every area of his life but that doesn't work in politics. Does Susan Sarandon write blogs like Duff?
I'm still confused about why you are always comparing him to someone else. I want to focus on what he's doing, which is pretty concrete and I don't see why him being a celebrity makes him different, in terms of, why couldn't he rise above average if he's willing to write for a website and present better arguementation.

I wouldn't throw Michael Moore in that bag of silly celebrities who talk out of their asses but I know the guy is equally loved and hated.

I dig him. He saw it coming: http://michaelmoore.com/trumpwillwin/

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LOL yeah, he tamed the lions gracefully until they became soft kittens
 

[Blackstar]

57 minutes ago, killuridols said:

Oh, I don't know, you said "american society" and didn't make a distinction but okay, celebrities are citizens too so I don't think they are not affected by politics.

I know Duff wants to be "diplomatic" in every area of his life but that doesn't work in politics. Does Susan Sarandon write blogs like Duff?
I'm still confused about why you are always comparing him to someone else. I want to focus on what he's doing, which is pretty concrete and I don't see why him being a celebrity makes him different, in terms of, why couldn't he rise above average if he's willing to write for a website and present better arguementation.

I wouldn't throw Michael Moore in that bag of silly celebrities who talk out of their asses but I know the guy is equally loved and hated.

I dig him. He saw it coming: http://michaelmoore.com/trumpwillwin/

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LOL yeah, he tamed the lions gracefully until they became soft kittens
 

I compare him to others because, if Duff is considered non qualified to talk about politics, hence he shouldn't write articles of political opinion, then many other people (celebrities or not) shouldn't talk publicly or write too. Regardless of that, whether Duff is politically adequate or not is irrelevant in this case. I did a search to see if there were any other negative reactions on Duff's piece besides that on breitbart.com and I found only one post on an another far right wing website:

http://downtrend.com/71superb/guns-n-roses-bassist-duff-mckagan-is-an-anti-gun-nut

Even if Duff's article was less diplomatic and had better arguments, it would had been still criticized by these right wing extremists and pro-guns fanatics, because they bash everyone who supports guns control regardless of his arguments.

[BloodyMary]

Wow this quote about Axl sitting on his bed crying... Hope the gun part isn't true though. Almost had me crying.

I wonder what would have happened if Beta wouldn't have been there...

Thanks God he seems to be in a better place now.

[SerenityScorp]

On 11/24/2016 at 1:56 PM, SerenityScorp said:

He's definitely lurks this forum, I cant stop smiling see tht backward caps

 

 

Still in love with this Meme by @Andy14 if I'm right 

@Andy14 Btw can I share this on fb or tumblr?

Edited November 25, 2016 by SerenityScorp

[SerenityScorp]

Axl head levitates

[money honey]

22 hours ago, MillionsOfSpiders said:

For the first time ever my OH wants to come with me to a GnR show, he's adamant we are going over to Ireland when they play there. He says it's to visit family as well, but I know he just wants to get rat arsed 

So does my OH!! All my going on about GNR is rubbing off on him. He has read It's so Easy by Duff too and loved it.

A women's thread meet up in Ireland would be awesome. If there is a gig here next year that is - the rumoured concert dates thread is getting me down at the moment. 

14 hours ago, Frey said:

When was this? The mid 90s when Slash left?

That's what it sounds like from the other part above, but the writing so cringeworthy I can't even take it seriously. As someone said in the other thread, this reads like fanfiction or prose from some random novel.

Sad if it's true though. Axl constantly sitting on his bed at night, and crying with a gun in his mouth is way worse than I expected.

I knew he took Slash leaving badly, but that is something else.

 

Cringeworthy is the word. I wouldn't take anything seriously that is written as badly as this sounds. Sounds like the author is trying to sell books by titillating people with talk of dicks etc. How the fuck would he know?! It's a cash grab to coincide with the tour.

Every time I hear anecdotes like this about Axl around that time, I'm so grateful he's still with us. He's a fighter and a survivor. 

 

12 hours ago, MillionsOfSpiders said:

The whole of Axls story from his childhood to moving to LA (the only part I've read so far) reads like that. It's a very odd way of writing. 

 

[MillionsOfSpiders]

9 hours ago, Blackstar said:

Although I don't give much credit to what Goldstein says given his role in the band, his embarrassing letter and the fact he has lied in the past, I don't think he's lying about this one either.

And yeah, apparently Stephanie and Slash were not the cause for Axl's mental health issues, it was the other way around.

Regarding the Breitbart.com website, after browsing through it and doing some external research, I can tell that it's not just pro-Republican, it identifies with the most extreme/far right fringe of the Republican party, openly flirting with "white supremacy" ideas. See this for example: http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2016/11/24/liberals-preparing-shame-relatives-voting-trump-thanksgiving-dinner/

I've been following American politics to an extent, because, like it or not, what happens there concerns all of us. I can't say I completely understand it, even though in the last decades the political spectrum in European countries tends to be "americanized". Certain aspects of the political debate in America are still difficult for me to relate to, for example the fact that the Democrats are considered "left" (here "liberal" and "left are different things) or that a mild social welfare policy is considered "socialism" or that the society there is so polarized with issues like abortions and guns control (we have solved these issues here decades ago).

My country is a lot like yours in terms of people's active participation in politics (although lately there is a sentiment of frustration and defeat among people); today, for example, we had a general strike and march and there will be another one in a few days. I realize though that America is a very different society, and this is one of the reasons I don't expect as much as you do from Axl, Duff and Slash regarding their political activity and views.

I've read a fair bit of the latter part of the book now. I agree that it seems he has interviewed Doug Goldstein, Alan Niven and Vicky Hamilton recently and in some depth too. So the "fanfiction" way a lot of it is written in just seems like a way of padding it all out and turning it into a story, rather than 'this happened and then that happened.' Which is fine once you get past the cringe factor. 

The part we are discussing at present, about Axl lying in bed with a gun crying, is awful to read. I believe it too, especially as Niven and Goldsteins  accounts of this happening both correspond, and that happens quite a lot in the parts I have read so far. 

I remember reading Mark Canters response once to somebody who asked him about the other book he did, which I've also read, and he said a lot of it had wrong time lines or some stories didn't add up and I think a lot of that has been rectified in this new book by his more in depth cross examination of the former managers. I also think that's where he has his reckoning on new music from as I am sure Vicky Hamilton was in the know about Adler and said so before any others, pretty sure she's said they've been jamming too. 

I loved reading the part about Axl telling Niven to go and tell Mick Jagger he was going to be late for the rehearsal of Salt Of The Earth, but he didn't dare go, so he left Izzy to take all the flak from Mick and Keith. Poor Izzy said they were fuming and when Axl finally turned up he had a lame excuse about missing a flight or something so Keith went mad and told him "well I slept in a fucking chandelier last night and I'm on time" 

Long live Keef

[Frey]

42 minutes ago, MillionsOfSpiders said:

I've read a fair bit of the latter part of the book now. I agree that it seems he has interviewed Doug Goldstein, Alan Niven and Vicky Hamilton recently and in some depth too. So the "fanfiction" way a lot of it is written in just seems like a way of padding it all out and turning it into a story, rather than 'this happened and then that happened.' Which is fine once you get past the cringe factor. 

The part we are discussing at present, about Axl lying in bed with a gun crying, is awful to read. I believe it too, especially as Niven and Goldsteins  accounts of this happening both correspond, and that happens quite a lot in the parts I have read so far. 

I remember reading Mark Canters response once to somebody who asked him about the other book he did, which I've also read, and he said a lot of it had wrong time lines or some stories didn't add up and I think a lot of that has been rectified in this new book by his more in depth cross examination of the former managers. I also think that's where he has his reckoning on new music from as I am sure Vicky Hamilton was in the know about Adler and said so before any others, pretty sure she's said they've been jamming too. 

I loved reading the part about Axl telling Niven to go and tell Mick Jagger he was going to be late for the rehearsal of Salt Of The Earth, but he didn't dare go, so he left Izzy to take all the flak from Mick and Keith. Poor Izzy said they were fuming and when Axl finally turned up he had a lame excuse about missing a flight or something so Keith went mad and told him "well I slept in a fucking chandelier last night and I'm on time" 

Long live Keef

Wait, Niven talked about the crying in bed incidents too?

Also where did you guys get the book from? I wasn't planning on reading anything by Mick Wall, but now I'm kind of tempted...

 

[Blackstar]

18 minutes ago, MillionsOfSpiders said:

I've read a fair bit of the latter part of the book now. I agree that it seems he has interviewed Doug Goldstein, Alan Niven and Vicky Hamilton recently and in some depth too. So the "fanfiction" way a lot of it is written in just seems like a way of padding it all out and turning it into a story, rather than 'this happened and then that happened.' Which is fine once you get past the cringe factor. 

The part we are discussing at present, about Axl lying in bed with a gun crying, is awful to read. I believe it too, especially as Niven and Goldsteins  accounts of this happening both correspond, and that happens quite a lot in the parts I have read so far. 

I remember reading Mark Canters response once to somebody who asked him about the other book he did, which I've also read, and he said a lot of it had wrong time lines or some stories didn't add up and I think a lot of that has been rectified in this new book by his more in depth cross examination of the former managers. I also think that's where he has his reckoning on new music from as I am sure Vicky Hamilton was in the know about Adler and said so before any others, pretty sure she's said they've been jamming too. 

I loved reading the part about Axl telling Niven to go and tell Mick Jagger he was going to be late for the rehearsal of Salt Of The Earth, but he didn't dare go, so he left Izzy to take all the flak from Mick and Keith. Poor Izzy said they were fuming and when Axl finally turned up he had a lame excuse about missing a flight or something so Keith went mad and told him "well I slept in a fucking chandelier last night and I'm on time" 

Long live Keef

I haven't read the first part yet. So Niven tells gun and suicide attempts/threats stories too...

I remember the story with Keith and the chandelier. I think Niven has told it somewhere before. He has also  said that Axl was late for their first opening show for the Rolling Stones, and Niven found someone who knew a cop and arranged for the police to go to Axl's house and get him by force if necessary 

I hope Mick Wall really has sources regarding new music. Maybe they have come up with a couple of new tunes to go with an anniversary reissue of AFD. It;s hard to believe that they're putting together a full album already, but who knows...

 

6 minutes ago, Frey said:

Wait, Niven talked about the crying in bed incidents too?

Also where did you guys get the book from? I wasn't planning on reading anything by Mick Wall, but now I'm kind of tempted...

 

I got the Kindle edition from Amazon US.

[SerenityScorp]

 

Edited November 25, 2016 by SerenityScorp

[MillionsOfSpiders]

Thats what Niven says, sorry if it's already posted. I can see people quoting me but I keep getting kicked out of this thread and can't see 

[Blackstar]

4 minutes ago, MillionsOfSpiders said:

Thats what Niven says, sorry if it's already posted. I can see people quoting me but I keep getting kicked out of this thread and can't see 

I read this too, but I wonder how would Niven know 

Edited November 25, 2016 by Blackstar

[SerenityScorp]

19 minutes ago, MillionsOfSpiders said:

Thats what Niven says, sorry if it's already posted. I can see people quoting me but I keep getting kicked out of this thread and can't see 

What about Duff 

If this is true then I guess it makes sense, for Erin to post a lot Axl's photo on Her IG.

N' makes Me wonder if 3 of Them(Meegan, Erin, Duff) works together to make Slaxl back again

Meegan/Erin the seed, Duff is the water 

 

 

Edit: But the thing is, why Erin delete everything tht related on Axl in Her IG

Edited November 25, 2016 by SerenityScorp

[MillionsOfSpiders]

23 minutes ago, Blackstar said:

I read this too, but I wonder how would Niven know 

I don't know, he says crazy things about the occult and shit like that but has he ever told any straight out lies? Like that would be if he didn't know it for himself? I can't think of ever reading anywhere of any lies he's told.

[dgnr]

Thank you all for the birthday wishes @Ubukitty, @KiraMPD@Blackstar, @Darkenchantress, @BloodyMary, @Italian girl 


@Andy14, @Padme, @killuridols thank you for your birthday gifts...You guys know what I like  haha @Whiskey Rose thank you too, loved it  And @Frey shame on you for being a chairman and don't have any Slaxl evidence...but it's the thought that counts, so thank you  
 

We need a list of all the birthdays in this thread!! I can make it as a thank you note. PM me with the dates if you want, or say it in any comment and tag me  

Now I gotta catch up with these thread!!

 

[Blackstar]

9 minutes ago, MillionsOfSpiders said:

I don't know, he says crazy things about the occult and shit like that but has he ever told any straight out lies? Like that would be if he didn't know it for himself? I can't think of ever reading anywhere of any lies he's told.

I don't think he's lying either, but maybe he's speculating, like he did earlier this year I think, when he said that Izzy was recently in the studio with the band and then Izzy said he wasn't. Probably Niven had heard that Izzy was recording with Duff and assumed it was the whole band.

Edited November 25, 2016 by Blackstar