wasted Posted November 15, 2016 Share Posted November 15, 2016 (edited) 7 minutes ago, DieselDaisy said: I actually prefer Load over the black album I probably do too. Having said that Sandman, Sad But true, Unforgiven, Nothing Else Matters are classics. I can't actually the remember the names of the Load tracks. Until it Sleeps is one. The point is they use the nostalgia and retro cards as much as any band. Edited November 15, 2016 by wasted Fuel 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieselDaisy Posted November 15, 2016 Share Posted November 15, 2016 Just now, wasted said: I probably do too. The point is they use the nostalgia and retro cards as much as any band. I think the band which provides five more albums to another band's one is infinitely less nostalgic, but perhaps that is just me! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shjtjustgotreal Posted November 15, 2016 Share Posted November 15, 2016 look at all these fckers on a forum talking shit about a world famous band Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wasted Posted November 15, 2016 Share Posted November 15, 2016 4 minutes ago, DieselDaisy said: I think the band which provides five more albums to another band's one is infinitely less nostalgic, but perhaps that is just me! Depends. I think Metallica are a little up in the game. But as CD cancels out DM. And Hardwired is also nostalgia release. It's only St Anger which sets them apart for me. Have Metalica put out more nostalgia albums? Yes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris 55 Posted November 15, 2016 Share Posted November 15, 2016 22 hours ago, shjtjustgotreal said: 14 pages on kirk? damn bruh It'd be 3 about how GREAT Metallica is if he said something positive. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Good, Fuck'n, Night. Posted November 15, 2016 Share Posted November 15, 2016 3 minutes ago, DieselDaisy said: I think the band which provides five more albums to another band's one is infinitely less nostalgic, but perhaps that is just me! Quite, unless you shift the goal posts to the extent that you are required to to produce a ever differing style or sound, to everyone's liking, every time you release a album & never play your back catalogue on tour to not be considered a "nostalgia act". As I stated earlier, any act performing over a 30 year period has a degree of nostalgia attached to it, Metallica included. However they are not close to GnRs level of nostalgia. Billy Corgan was a stubborn self absorbed fuck in regard to changing sound & only playing new music. Look where that got him. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
double talkin jive mfkr Posted November 15, 2016 Share Posted November 15, 2016 (edited) im so fucking pissed at GNR right now in a whole other way than when they were broken up now it just stings with no excitement danger or unpredictability im tempted to sell my tickets in mexico city fucking half ass reunion bring izzy and steven for that show and create a buzz whatever it costs how many yachts do you want water ski behind axl even the whole sorum thing is messed,, how good would it be to see him on Double Talkin Jive that's his best song imo and he co-owns that one with slash Edited November 15, 2016 by double talkin jive mfkr Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sonofnazareth Posted November 15, 2016 Share Posted November 15, 2016 Both bands are nostalgia acts..and Metallica's new serving doesn't even have songs written by Hammett. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieselDaisy Posted November 15, 2016 Share Posted November 15, 2016 8 hours ago, wasted said: Depends. I think Metallica are a little up in the game. But as CD cancels out DM. And Hardwired is also nostalgia release. It's only St Anger which sets them apart for me. Have Metalica put out more nostalgia albums? Yes. You are simply setting your own personal parameters to define 'nostalgia' in order to chastise Metallica and exonerate Guns, parameters which allow you to dismiss four whole albums from the Metallica discography!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EvanG Posted November 15, 2016 Share Posted November 15, 2016 (edited) 10 hours ago, wasted said: DM was a conscious effort to recapture the past. Complete nostalgia album from the guru of nostalgia Rick Rubin. How do you even know this? I respect everyone's opinion, you can't argue an opinion anyway, but throughout this whole thread you've been making one comment after the other like they are facts while you can't possibly know that unless you are or were part of the band. It always fascinates me when people from the internet act like they know it all without having any connection to the band. Or wait a minute, are you Jason Newsted? Edited November 15, 2016 by EvanG Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Dude Posted November 15, 2016 Share Posted November 15, 2016 11 hours ago, DieselDaisy said: I actually prefer Load over the black album I do too. I prefer load over any of the 80s records too. The early stuff was just heavy for the sake of being heavy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stealmylife Posted November 15, 2016 Share Posted November 15, 2016 It really is quality over quantity that counts but at this stage I'd settle for quantity from Gnr. Hard to find too many great reunion albums Deep Purple - Perfect strangers UFO - Walk on water Black Sabbath 13 Judss Priest - Angel of Retribution All good efforts but never truely getting back the soul of the band Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stress Fracture Posted November 15, 2016 Share Posted November 15, 2016 (edited) Metallica and Bon Jovi have new albums out this month, it's true. However, I would put money on Axl having an album's worth of material in the vaults that's objectively better than either of them and that you'll see no more than one song from those albums, if that, in their setlists this time next year. Edited November 15, 2016 by Stress Fracture Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EvanG Posted November 15, 2016 Share Posted November 15, 2016 Objectively better... is that even possible in this scenario? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sonofnazareth Posted November 15, 2016 Share Posted November 15, 2016 2 hours ago, Stealmylife said: It really is quality over quantity that counts but at this stage I'd settle for quantity from Gnr. Hard to find too many great reunion albums Deep Purple - Perfect strangers UFO - Walk on water Black Sabbath 13 Judss Priest - Angel of Retribution All good efforts but never truely getting back the soul of the band The UFO one was epic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Original GNR Posted November 15, 2016 Share Posted November 15, 2016 15 hours ago, wasted said: One was retro sell out, the other desperate nostalgia. Last time they did anything good was Black album. Without it they'd be as big as Megadave. Seriously, I'd give their new album a listen. Best album by far since the Black album. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gt72 Posted November 15, 2016 Share Posted November 15, 2016 15 hours ago, DieselDaisy said: I actually prefer Load over the black album Me as well.And their new album from the 3 songs I've heard actually sounds pretty kick ass. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wasted Posted November 15, 2016 Share Posted November 15, 2016 20 hours ago, shjtjustgotreal said: look at all these fckers on a forum talking shit about a world famous band Look at the big rock star thinking he better than everyone Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wasted Posted November 15, 2016 Share Posted November 15, 2016 12 hours ago, DieselDaisy said: You are simply setting your own personal parameters to define 'nostalgia' in order to chastise Metallica and exonerate Guns, parameters which allow you to dismiss four whole albums from the Metallica discography!! I don't dismiss them. I enjoy to a certain extent. But they are nostalgia albums. Last 3 are definite nostalgia. Nostalgia is not a crime against humanity. GNR are doing a reunion tour, seems like nostalgia to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wasted Posted November 16, 2016 Share Posted November 16, 2016 11 hours ago, EvanG said: How do you even know this? I respect everyone's opinion, you can't argue an opinion anyway, but throughout this whole thread you've been making one comment after the other like they are facts while you can't possibly know that unless you are or were part of the band. It always fascinates me when people from the internet act like they know it all without having any connection to the band. Or wait a minute, are you Jason Newsted? I read their interviews and listened to the album. Just my opinion. It's been fairly balanced, accepting GNR are also but so are Metallica. Kirk shouldn't have an opinion because he doesn't know for sure. I feel like I respected everyone's opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieselDaisy Posted November 16, 2016 Share Posted November 16, 2016 4 minutes ago, wasted said: I don't dismiss them. I enjoy to a certain extent. But they are nostalgia albums. Last 3 are definite nostalgia. Nostalgia is not a crime against humanity. GNR are doing a reunion tour, seems like nostalgia to me. But they are four albums of new material you're dismissing, four albums of new songs!!! If Metallica were thoroughly nostalgic they would have just done what Axl did and dispense with albums as an creative outlet altogether, instead playing the hits during the same time frame as the Load and Death Magnetic tours, both of which featured circa five new songs apiece. The really lame cash happy casual fans are going to prefer Battery over My Apocalypse, aren't they? Besides, by your logic, the Stones were being thoroughly nostalgic when they did Beggars Banquet (a back to the roots album), instead of what actually happened, which was the beckoning in of their most brilliant run of albums. Queen were being nostalgic when they did Innuendo. Neil Young was being nostalgic when he did Ragged Glory (a return to Crazy Horse garage rock goodness). The Beatles were even a nostalgia act when they did Let it Be. Your parameters are so strict, just about any act who has ever existed would immediately find themselves branded a 'nostalgia act' for significant periods of their career. It is absurd logic you are applying to Metallica, a band who are - whatever one thinks of them - doing the exact thing the majority of GN'R fans would swap a limb for: the release of albums. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RONIN Posted November 16, 2016 Share Posted November 16, 2016 Axl Pose Dressing Room Requirements - James Hetfield, 1992 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wasted Posted November 16, 2016 Share Posted November 16, 2016 (edited) 15 minutes ago, DieselDaisy said: But they are four albums of new material you're dismissing, four albums of new songs!!! If Metallica were thoroughly nostalgic they would have just done what Axl did and dispense with albums as an creative outlet altogether, instead playing the hits during the same time frame as the Load and Death Magnetic tours, both of which featured circa five new songs apiece. The really lame cash happy casual fans are going to prefer Battery over My Apocalypse, aren't they? Besides, by your logic, the Stones were being thoroughly nostalgic when they did Beggars Banquet (a back to the roots album), instead of what actually happened, which was the beckoning in of their most brilliant run of albums. Queen were being nostalgic when they did Innuendo. Neil Young was being nostalgic when he did Ragged Glory (a return to Crazy Horse garage rock goodness). The Beatles were even a nostalgia act when they did Let it Be. Your parameters are so strict, just about any act who has ever existed would immediately find themselves branded a 'nostalgia act' for significant periods of their career. It is absurd logic you are applying to Metallica, a band who are - whatever one thinks of them - doing the exact thing the majority of GN'R fans would swap a limb for: the release of albums. Most bands do become nostalgia acts to a degree. It's natural. But when you start recycling riffs from old albums they are nostalgia albums. Metallica shows are based on old hits. Not many go for Fuel or a ballad off Load. They are touring off nostalgia. Yet Kirk wants to point the finger. A little hypocritical. It's a minor thing I would say. Hardly anyone cares these bands are living off nostalgia. Your mixing up nostalgia with a retro thing. When the Stones did it was new and hip. But it also seemed like an natural evolution. That happened with AFD. Guns injected the 70s into the 80s. I suppose when Guns did it was cool, when Metallica did it seems like a way to stay relevant after thrash died commercial. Both still retro. Edited November 16, 2016 by wasted Retro Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EvanG Posted November 16, 2016 Share Posted November 16, 2016 13 minutes ago, wasted said: I read their interviews and listened to the album. Just my opinion. It's been fairly balanced, accepting GNR are also but so are Metallica. Kirk shouldn't have an opinion because he doesn't know for sure. I feel like I respected everyone's opinion. I'm not saying you don't respect other's opinion, but you make it sound like you know exactly what Metallica's reasons were with albums like Load and DM, in a very cynical way, and that's ok if it's merely your opinion, but you are stating those opinions as facts. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wasted Posted November 16, 2016 Share Posted November 16, 2016 1 minute ago, EvanG said: I'm not saying you don't respect other's opinion, but you make it sound like you know exactly what Metallica's reasons were with albums like Load and DM, in a very cynical way, and that's ok if it's merely your opinion, but you are stating those opinions as facts. It's just my take, that you disagree with. I could say you are stating Metallica aren't a nostalgia act as fact. Which you don't know for sure. It's just your opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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