Wacky World of The Ominous Ninja Izzy Stradlin and NO! Gang

[Darkenchantress]

1 hour ago, marlingrl03 said:

I have posted two positive comments recently in the D&N section but they got lost in the negative shit-talking pile...I tried. And I will keep trying because all the negativeness is just  

I know. I also posted there today, there's a nice and positive thread about Axl's best moments that I hope doesn't turn into shit. 

[Zoot]

 

[SerenityScorp]

39 minutes ago, Kris_1989 said:

 

Thats cute!

2 hours ago, Tori72 said:

 

 I love Axl, too. I'm concerned about him and would like to find out what prevented him from being his former creative, forward and captivating self.

Its either lost interest or He still stuck inthe past

[Darkenchantress]

Awww, so cute!!  I don't really celebrate it but happy easter, guys!! 

[Frey]

On 15.4.2017 at 8:32 PM, Kris_1989 said:

For some reason or another there seems to be a lot of quick judgements made about this thread, @Frey even made a similar post in the Women's thread yesterday. We're a very sarcastic and sometimes silly bunch in here. But the thread title, the memes, the gifs... all of that stuff is just for a laugh. It's not to be taken literally. So I'm not sure why some are so offended?

 

15 hours ago, BorderlineCrazy said:

This is a great post, I agree with many things.

I find all the exaggerations to be annoying, I would never agree with those who say "Axl would be nothing without Izzy" or stuff like that. A problem I see is that if someone who is on Izzy's side makes an exaggerated comment, then people who are on "other side" seem to take it like every Izzy fan thinks that way when it's not like that.

 

I don't even really remember anymore what exactly I said in the other thread, but I want to say that I don't think of all of Izzy's fans as being the same. With the two of you for example, I'm well aware you're quite reasonable and fair for the most part. When I notice your posts in D&N (or elsewhere), they're usually quite level-headed and not the ones that will make me roll my eyes.

But there are other people (among them some who post in this thread) who are... the opposite of that. Who will like every negative post about Axl, Slash or the "Big 3" in general, even the really trollish, dumb or exaggerated stuff. It's gotten to the point where I already know who will have liked certain dumb posts before I even look.

And yet these same people will often turn around claiming how much they love all of the band members. I say the same thing (well, with the exception of Steven maybe), but I don't go around writing or liking "Izzy is worthless/unreliable/etc." type of posts. Or other Izzy-centric equivalents of all these dumb "Axl would be nothing without Izzy", "CD is a steaming pile of shit", "Slash is a whore for the money",  "It's Axl's fault the band broke up/his ego drove everyone away", "Duff is a spineless traitor", etc. posts. So...

But whatever, this is just some message board on the internet and it's dumb to argue about this stuff. Please carry on appreciating Mr. Stradlin's hotness or something.

 

17 hours ago, Blackstar said:

The vibe I get though is that after Izzy's tweet and especially Steven's interviews, the general and prevailing mood in the forum is that the reunion is a cash grab by "the big 3" (even NuGuns and CD fans say it).

15 hours ago, BorderlineCrazy said:

Also agree with you that the idea that the reunion is a cash grab doesn't come from the Stizzy Stradler fans but from around 80% of the forum. And although it's true that the lack of two of the original members may have an influence in this idea, I think it's clear that the biggest reasons why people see it this way is because of the lack of new music (and apparent lack of intention to release any) and because of the lack of interaction people perceive between Sluff and Axl off stage. It they release an album, the cash grab idea will mostly disappear, regardless of how happy we are with the current lineup.

I agree, @Blackstar.

But when I said basically the same thing in the other thread recently, you argued against it, Mr. @BorderlineCrazy, but now in the safety of the Izzy thread I see you admit it yourself 

 

15 hours ago, Blackstar said:

I have an overview of all the discussions, although for a while now I read the D&N section sporadically, because I'm fed up with the same shit (that I described in my previous post) all over again. There are threads and discussions about Axl that are not related to CD though.

I don't consider CD a GnR album and I'm not a particular fan of it either (I didn't even follow Axl with NuGuns except basic stuff, i.e. getting the album and going to a show the one time he came here), but I don't think it's shitty. Tbh I feel similarly about all the guys' solo work/side projects; I'm not excited with any of it, including VR. I prefer Izzy's stuff more than Slash's because, although not "great" (imo), it's the kind that it's simple and pleasurable to hear. But what I like is the classic GnR.

I was distanced from the "GnR world" for many years, and this is why (one of the reasons) I want to believe that I can be objective without trying hard for it, as people that have been more "attached". For example, I believe that a big part of what happened with the band was Axl's fault; but it wasn't all his fault nor all the wrong was/is on his side (all this regardless of the whole discussion and the interest about him that isn't directly related to the music).

As for the current situation, I want to see the AFD too, but I'm not as disappointed as others, I guess because I didn't expect much from these guys; I didn't expect them to be original, a "gang" and do things "for the fans and the sake of music";  and I don't think that the circumstances of that era can be reproduced regardless of who is in the band now. Like Adler said, "it is what it is", a reunion (half reunion in this case) of a classic band like many other reunions, and this is how I see it, as it is (this doesn't mean though, imo, that the Axl-Slash reunion after so many years is totally unemotional).

I'm in the same boat. Been gone for years and not really been paying attention to the band until the "reunion" last year. And by now also too fed up with all the repetitive shit in D&N to spend much time there anymore. Very much agreed on the last paragraph too. Never had high hopes to begin with, so not really feeling any disappointment, and yeah, the magic probably can't be reproduced anyway.

I also feel the same way about their music. I hate when people talk about CD as if it's the worst piece of shit ever. Because it's simply not true. There's some great stuff on there and some not so great stuff, same as with most albums. I also hate when people talk shit about Izzy's solo work. Some of it I don't like or find boring, but there are some real gems in there and some tunes I never get tired of.

(I'll admit I'm more partial to Izzy's and Axl's solo efforts than I am to Slash's or Duff's stuff, but ultimately none of them can measure up on their own to what they created together. And I think it's pointless and unncessary to put any of the guys' solo work down when it's all just one piece of the whole, one ingredient that when combined with the other ingredients made GNR what it was.)

 

 

 

 

 

Edited April 16, 2017 by Frey

[Izzyarg]

16 minutes ago, Frey said:

I don't even really remember anymore what exactly I said in the other thread, but I want to say that I don't think of all of Izzy's fans as being the same. With the two of you for example, I'm well aware you're quite reasonable and fair for the most part. When I notice your posts in D&N (or elsewhere), they're usually quite level-headed and not the ones that will make me roll my eyes.

But there are other people (among them some who post in this thread) who are... the opposite of that. Who will like every negative post about Axl, Slash or the "Big 3" in general, even the really trollish, dumb or exaggerated stuff. It's gotten to the point where I already know who will have liked certain dumb posts before I even look.

And yet these same people will often turn around claiming how much they love all of the band members. I say the same thing (well, with the exception of Steven maybe), but I don't go around writing or liking "Izzy is worthless/unreliable/etc." type of posts. Or other Izzy-centric equivalents of all these dumb "Axl would be nothing without Izzy", "CD is a steaming pile of shit", "Slash is a whore for the money",  "It's Axl's fault the band broke up/his ego drove everyone away", "Duff is a spineless traitor", etc. posts. So...

But whatever, this is just some message board on the internet and it's dumb to argue about this stuff. Please carry on appreciating Mr. Stradlin's hotness or something.

 

I agree, @Blackstar.

But when I said basically the same thing in the other thread recently, you argued against it, Mr. @BorderlineCrazy, but now in the safety of the Izzy thread I see you admit it yourself 

 

I'm in the same boat. Been gone for years and not really paying attention the band until the "reunion" last year. And by now also too fed up with all the repetitive shit in D&N to spend much time there anymore. Very much agreed on the last paragraph too. Never had high hopes to begin with, so not really feeling any disappointment, and yeah, the magic probably can't be reproduced anyway.

I also feel the same way about their music. I hate when people talk about CD as if it's the worst piece of shit ever. Because it's simply not true. There's some great stuff on there and some not so great stuff, same as with most albums. I also hate when people talk shit about Izzy's solo work. Some of it I don't like or find boring, but there are some real gems in there and some tunes I never get tired of.

(I'll admit I'm more partial to Izzy's and Axl's solo efforts than I am to Slash's or Duff's stuff, but ultimately none of them can measure up on their own to what they created together. And I think it's pointless and unncessary to put any of the guys' solo work down when it's all just one piece of the whole, one ingredient that when combined with the other ingredients made GNR what it was.)

 

 

 

 

 

The only thing I don't like about the reunion is the fact that I can't see Izzy in a stage... afterwards I think things are as they are, and it is best to let it flow. I saw the show in Argentina and when Adler played it was a huge difference, Axl is singing better, Slash and Duff are good as always, and missed Izzy the whole show... but I think if he had joined the others, it would have been for us because I don't see him very comfortable playing with them despite his friendship, so I prefer that he is happy and peaceful doing what he likes. Any other negative commentary i think comes from blind fanaticism.  

[janrichmond]

I love Izzy's songwriting. I love Slash's guitar. I loved Axl's singing. I love Duffs bass. I love Steven's drumming. Like @Frey I too came back with the reunion. I'm not 100% happy with the line-up now and definitely want Izzy back but i'm doing the London shows and if they are shit at least I gave them a chance. I've got the best memories from 91,92 and 93 to see me into my old age. 

Love the good vibes we have in this thread 

[Darkenchantress]

Since the lack of news is the general topic of this thread, I hope you guys don't mind me posting this article I just found. It really says nothing new, but it's just a nice summary of the reasons that made this band "one in a million". 

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Sound Matters: One In A Million

Tom Leu April 16, 2017

The original Appetite For Destruction-era Guns N’ Roses line-up is arguably the most notorious band in rock and roll history. Their drug use and abuse is well-documented along with the infamous in-fighting and animosity between band members, past and present. Despite, or perhaps because of, the volatile nature of the band’s personalities, GN’R has sat on top of the rock heap for decades, was inducted into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame as a first ballot nominee in 2012, and has been crushing it on their Not In This Lifetime tour since 2016.

GN’R produced a gutteral and gritty sound, and a street-rock cred that contrasted their Hollywood-hair-band-contemporaries of the late 1980’s. A closer look uncovers the nuances of GN’R’s success saga by highlighting 6 deft distinctions applicable to any business, brand, or band:

1. Talent. GN’R consisted of an eclectic mix of diverse individual talents that came together and produced a musical landscape that transcended the parts. These guys incorporated a melting pot of influences and flavors into their music that set them apart from the first notes of their first album. Their collective musical talent far exceeded any one individual’s contributions. They knew this and ran with this. People noticed.

2. Drive. GN’R demonstrated a desperate hunger for success combined with a tremendous and committed work ethic. As much as they played and partied hard, they also worked hard. To them, their “work” was their play. The lifestyle that infused and inspired their music was the sum of the work and play simultaneously. They lived and breathed their music literally and figuratively. No one and no thing was going to stand in their way… wherever that way led. People noticed.

3. Risk. GN’R always represented a clear and present level of risk within their music and lifestyle. They lived with a nothing-to-lose attitude because they really had nothing to lose. An edge was present, and evident from the start that existed from a literal a lack of comfort. Their “fuck it” outlook and approach was the survial instinct born from having no cushion to fall back on. There were no degrees or pedigrees… the only way out was up. People noticed.

4. Rebellion. GN’R had an unorthodox approach to the status qu0s. From their deliberate departure soncially and stylistically from their contemporaries, to their unique songwriting approach, this group intentionally went against the grain at every opportunity. GN’R created something new and different that was impossible not to notice whether you were a fan or a foe. But this rebellion was also as authentic as it was deliberate. They wanted to be different; they intended to be different because they were different. People noticed.

5. Branding. The GN’R brand is unmistakable. Dangerous as it is unpredictable. Colorful and clever. Remarkable and rememberable as the names Axl, Slash, Duff, and Izzy… Their brand mirrored their lives and their lifestyles. Arguably, little of this was contrived. It all coexisted and coalesced into a marketing juggernaut that crossed over from the Hollywood streets and spilled into Main Street. Fans can sniff out fakes and phonies. Lasting brands are as purposeful as they are profitable. Lasting brands encite real emotional responses. Guns were real. People noticed.

6. Fascination. GN’R combined immense talent, drive, risk, rebellion, and branding to produce an unparalled fascination with not only their music, but with their mystique. They had what today’s celebrity journalists call the “it factor.” It’s that unquantifiable something that separates the fledgling from the phenomenons. Their contributions transcended the music they made. Regardless of the relative success of current incarnations of “Guns N’ Roses,” super-groups, or solo projects, the original Appetite For Destruction-era Guns N’ Roses remains a fixture of fascination for legions rock fans the world over. People are still noticing.

For Axl, Slash, Steven, Duff, and Izzy, 2012’s induction into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame, like so much else in their collective careers, came with mixed-emotions, controversy, and discord. Say what you will about Axl’s antics, Slash’s celebrity, Steven’s sobriety, Duff’s degrees, or Izzy’s invisibility… these five guys created a legendary rock and roll legacy that will outlive us all.

And that’s truly the embodiement of one in a million… and is this author’s ultimate definition of “success” and motivation…

“Your one in a million babe. Yes that’s what you are. You’re one in a million babe. You’re a shooting star.” ~ Guns ‘N Roses

http://www.antiheromagazine.com/sound-matters-one-in-a-million/

 

[Jane M.]

@Darkenchantress I appreciate your effort. Thank you!

[Izzyarg]

31 minutes ago, janrichmond said:

I love Izzy's songwriting. I love Slash's guitar. I loved Axl's singing. I love Duffs bass. I love Steven's drumming. Like @Frey I too came back with the reunion. I'm not 100% happy with the line-up now and definitely want Izzy back but i'm doing the London shows and if they are shit at least I gave them a chance. I've got the best memories from 91,92 and 93 to see me into my old age. 

Love the good vibes we have in this thread 

you won't regret, but it's a show to see once in a lifetime  

Edited April 16, 2017 by Izzyarg

[marlingrl03]

37 minutes ago, Izzyarg said:

you won't regret, but it's a show to see once in a lifetime  

Nah...they aren't shit...of course you saw the best of the best but when I saw them in San Francisco I had an amazing time and everyone was on their feet during the entire almost 3 hour show! Those guys gave it their all and rocked it out! You will have a great time!!!! 

[killuridols]

On 13/4/2017 at 4:43 PM, Archtop said:

Womens thread?

lol the pot calling the kettle black 

[Archtop]

7 minutes ago, killuridols said:

lol the pot calling the kettle black 

?

[Archtop]

I just want to make clear to everyone that the gif regarding the women's thread was not a slight on anybody, in fact i later responded to @marlingrl03 that it was in response to a discussion taking place at the time that I found a little crazy.

Since I am aware that almost every person in here also posts in the women's thread, I assumed the joke would be understood. @killuridols I took your response above to be a joke back hence the Kiss emoji back, but I realise you might have misinterpreted my intentions and be having a dig. In this case my emoji would appear somewhat rude. 

No offensive was ever ment on my part, and since the two threads seem to be buffing up agaisnt each other in some recent posts, I feel the need to make this clear. 

 

Edited April 16, 2017 by Archtop

[Zoot]

I thought we were all just joking around? Sorry if anyone thought I was serious... ?

Edited April 17, 2017 by Kris_1989

[killuridols]

3 hours ago, Archtop said:

 @killuridols I took your response above to be a joke back hence the Kiss emoji back, but I realise you might have misinterpreted my intentions and be having a dig. In this case my emoji would appear somewhat rude. 

You realized what? How? I didn't say anything 

[marlingrl03]

1 hour ago, Kris_1989 said:

I thought we were all just joking around? Sorry if anyone thought I was serious... ?

Not me....you are good!

[Zoot]

6 minutes ago, marlingrl03 said:

Not me....you are good!

Good because I may have just started a war.

[killuridols]

1 hour ago, Kris_1989 said:

I thought we were all just joking around? Sorry if anyone thought I was serious... ?

Umm... I think we are basically ALL joking.... but you know how jokes hide a little truth behind, right?

I didn't take @Archtop's animated gif like a dig at us, I mean, not so serious like that. But then I continued reading the last three pages of this thread and Oh, Surprise! similar drama to WT's ensued and for somewhat similar reasons... So I found it hilarious and a bit of ironic that right after that comment some little shit popped up. 

Kinda like.... don't throw stones if you live in glass houses.... because all discussions get heated here and there, we are all different people, different backgrounds, different countries, ages, experiences... It's inevitable that at some point we are all gonna clash but that's what a forum is like. No biggie, really 

Go back to your worshipping Izzy tasks 

Edited April 17, 2017 by killuridols

[BorderlineCrazy]

6 hours ago, Frey said:

I don't even really remember anymore what exactly I said in the other thread, but I want to say that I don't think of all of Izzy's fans as being the same. With the two of you for example, I'm well aware you're quite reasonable and fair for the most part. When I notice your posts in D&N (or elsewhere), they're usually quite level-headed and not the ones that will make me roll my eyes.

But there are other people (among them some who post in this thread) who are... the opposite of that. Who will like every negative post about Axl, Slash or the "Big 3" in general, even the really trollish, dumb or exaggerated stuff. It's gotten to the point where I already know who will have liked certain dumb posts before I even look.

And yet these same people will often turn around claiming how much they love all of the band members. I say the same thing (well, with the exception of Steven maybe), but I don't go around writing or liking "Izzy is worthless/unreliable/etc." type of posts. Or other Izzy-centric equivalents of all these dumb "Axl would be nothing without Izzy", "CD is a steaming pile of shit", "Slash is a whore for the money",  "It's Axl's fault the band broke up/his ego drove everyone away", "Duff is a spineless traitor", etc. posts. So...

I don't know who you're refering to but I believe/hope these things will happen a lot less as time goes by. Hearing about Steven's back injury and how his involvement was gonna be bigger and how Izzy wants to be part of the reunion definitely generated negative feelings (disappointment, anger, frustration, etc) in a lot of people (myself included) and that must have caused a lot of over the top comments and stuff like that. I don't think things will stay this way, at least I hope they won't.

6 hours ago, Frey said:

Please carry on appreciating Mr. Stradlin's hotness

I will! 

6 hours ago, Frey said:

I agree, @Blackstar.

But when I said basically the same thing in the other thread recently, you argued against it, Mr. @BorderlineCrazy, but now in the safety of the Izzy thread I see you admit it yourself 

All our last posts were so long that I'm not even sure what you're refering to. I assume you might be linking the "people see the reunion as a cash grab" with the "right now it's cool to talk shit about the "big three". If that's what you mean, then I think these are different things. Seeing the reunion as a cash grab is just an opinion IMO (and I'd say a valid one as of now. Hopefully we'll find out it's wrong, though), I've seen people say things like "I know this is a cash grab but I couldn't care less, this is my favorite band..." so some people don't even seem to consider that a bad thing. I do know some people have talked shit about them, though (and I'm sure I've done my fair share), I just don't think everyone's talking shit about them non-stop and complimenting Steven and Izzy all the time. I think there have been lots of positive and negative comments about each of these guys.

7 hours ago, Frey said:

I also feel the same way about their music. I hate when people talk about CD as if it's the worst piece of shit ever. Because it's simply not true. There's some great stuff on there and some not so great stuff, same as with most albums. I also hate when people talk shit about Izzy's solo work. Some of it I don't like or find boring, but there are some real gems in there and some tunes I never get tired of.

If it makes you feel better, there are people who talk shit about both 

6 hours ago, janrichmond said:

I love Izzy's songwriting. I love Slash's guitar. I loved Axl's singing. I love Duffs bass. I love Steven's drumming. Like @Frey I too came back with the reunion. I'm not 100% happy with the line-up now and definitely want Izzy back but i'm doing the London shows and if they are shit at least I gave them a chance. I've got the best memories from 91,92 and 93 to see me into my old age. 

Love the good vibes we have in this thread 

I promise you won't regret it! I saw them three times last year and I'm already counting the days to see them again. I might not be able to eat for months because of how expensive the tickets are, though.

6 hours ago, Darkenchantress said:

Since the lack of news is the general topic of this thread, I hope you guys don't mind me posting this article I just found. It really says nothing new, but it's just a nice summary of the reasons that made this band "one in a million". 

http://www.antiheromagazine.com/sound-matters-one-in-a-million/

That's an awesome article, thanks for sharing!! I love it when people acknowledge how awesome and special the original band was 

46 minutes ago, Kris_1989 said:

Good because I may have just started a war.

What have you done now? 

30 minutes ago, killuridols said:

Umm... I think we basically are ALL joking.... but you know how jokes hide a little truth behind, right?

I didn't take @Archtop's animated gif like a dig at us, I mean, not so serious like that. But then I continued reading the last three pages of this thread and Oh, Surprise! similar drama to WT's ensued and for somewhat similar reasons... So I found it hilarious and a bit of ironic that right after that comment some little shit popped up. 

Kinda like.... don't throw stones if you live in glass houses.... because all discussions get heated here and there, we are all different people, different backgrounds, different countries, ages, experiences... It's inevitable that at some point we are all gonna clash but that's what a forum is like. No biggie, really 

Go back to your worshipping Izzy tasks 

Hey, don't come to fight in here!! This is the peace&love thread. We're all hippies like our lord 

Now seriously, there's always gonna be someone unhappy about something, that's life. As you said, no biggie 

[killuridols]

4 minutes ago, BorderlineCrazy said:

Hey, don't come to fight in here!! This is the peace&love thread. We're all hippies like our lord 

Peace & love? 

[Fourteenbeers]

1 hour ago, killuridols said:

Peace & love? 

Well, I'm all for peace and love... like this picture    Happy Easter (and peace & love) to everyone at this forum!    

[Zoot]

2 hours ago, BorderlineCrazy said:

What have you done now? 

I may have gotten bored and started photoshopping Axl pictures to post in the Women's thread.

Wont happen again, sorry.

There also may or may not be a Izzy pic in there to.

[Darkenchantress]

1 hour ago, Fourteenbeers said:

Well, I'm all for peace and love... like this picture    Happy Easter (and peace & love) to everyone at this forum!    

 

Welcome! It was about time that you'd join us, I might have seen some likes here and there. 

15 minutes ago, Kris_1989 said:

I may have gotten bored and started photoshopping Axl pictures to post in the Women's thread.

Wont happen again, sorry.

There also may or may not be a Izzy pic in there to.

[SerenityScorp]

1 hour ago, Fourteenbeers said:

Well, I'm all for peace and love... like this picture    Happy Easter (and peace & love) to everyone at this forum!    

This is when Izzy was Axl's Boyfriend