ludurigan Posted August 22, 2017 Share Posted August 22, 2017 (edited) Paul Stanley talks about rhythm guitar, song structure and more. Nice bits about how important the rhythm guitar player is to a band. Immediatelly thought about Izzy... Edited August 22, 2017 by ludurigan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pishy Posted August 23, 2017 Share Posted August 23, 2017 I give this a written like since the button is not present during the update. It would be cool if Izzy talked about how he writes and works on the rhythms. True that rhythm provides the anchor and the contour, I think that is why Izzy and Adler worked so well together, and why Izzy was the most clear on what a disaster Adler not being there was. Sometimes the rhythm and push and pull is not paid much attention to in rock, from the audience standpoint, but every great band had a great rhythm player and drummer. There is something different about rhythm players, they inject the soul and the beat, the feel. Sure all the good lead guitarists are awesome and captivating but it just goes off the rails and can get boring if the rhythm is not there, I almost think rhythm players are more sophisticated in their approach, more deliberate, but I am not a professional, just an opinion. Thanks for posting Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silverburst80 Posted August 23, 2017 Share Posted August 23, 2017 Izzy is a rhythm monster, should never be understated how much of a great rhythm player Slash is also. No rhythm, no song. Kiss get alot of shit and deservedly so but i can't deny how well they structured songs especially in their early days, Stanley's tone sounds great there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silverburst80 Posted August 23, 2017 Share Posted August 23, 2017 3 hours ago, Pishy said: I give this a written like since the button is not present during the update. It would be cool if Izzy talked about how he writes and works on the rhythms. True that rhythm provides the anchor and the contour, I think that is why Izzy and Adler worked so well together, and why Izzy was the most clear on what a disaster Adler not being there was. Sometimes the rhythm and push and pull is not paid much attention to in rock, from the audience standpoint, but every great band had a great rhythm player and drummer. There is something different about rhythm players, they inject the soul and the beat, the feel. Sure all the good lead guitarists are awesome and captivating but it just goes off the rails and can get boring if the rhythm is not there, I almost think rhythm players are more sophisticated in their approach, more deliberate, but I am not a professional, just an opinion. Thanks for posting Could you imagine Izzy with his amp cranked wide open ripping through some GNR riffs like Stanley above....sadly i think our imagination is the only place something like that would take place! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AxlRoseCDII Posted August 23, 2017 Share Posted August 23, 2017 Can't really take anything Paul Stanley says too seriously to be honest. Izzy was more important as a songwriter than a rythym guitarist in my eyes but the dual work on AFD and some of the UYI I hard rock tracks goes down as some of the best layering in music history. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pishy Posted August 23, 2017 Share Posted August 23, 2017 @Silverburst80 that would be incredible actually, I wish he would set up some format and do just as you said. Even some educational segments. I looked on twitter when he was putting up some videos which was cool, I'm sure you saw this https://youtu.be/PdZZTUxC7dY Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Len Cnut Posted August 23, 2017 Share Posted August 23, 2017 (edited) absolutely fuckin' essential. The rhythm is it really, you can do away with the lead guitarist and still have a band with drums bass and rhythm. A rock n roll band without rhythm guitar is like a non-alcoholic beer, pointless and ineffective. At its heart this music is dancehall music, club music, its designed to make you move, its supposed to be propulsive. And if it isn't it's shite. Edited August 23, 2017 by Len Cnut Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigpoop Posted August 23, 2017 Share Posted August 23, 2017 Rock n Roll is rhythm guitar and drums. Everything else is extra. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darkenchantress Posted August 23, 2017 Share Posted August 23, 2017 To me Izzy was an essential part of their sound. A good rhythm guitarist can elevate a simple song to AFD. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom-Ass Posted August 23, 2017 Share Posted August 23, 2017 Izzy was an essential part of Guns N' Roses sound.. When they started minimizing his presence in songs those songs just started to sound deluded. I hear this a lot on the Illusions albums... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sunset Gardner Posted August 23, 2017 Share Posted August 23, 2017 (edited) izzy is/was everything. anyone who understands music, how it's written, structured and conducted knows izzy was the whole thing, he was the whole entire stage the others were able to go out and perform on. i get a real kick out of the people on this forum who try and disrespect and discredit mr. stradlin then pay top dollar to go to shows and listen to his songs. the chief songwriter of any band is the most important, whether rythum guitar or piano or whatever. izzy was the filter every gnr song went through. Edited August 23, 2017 by Sunset Gardner Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pbj_jam Posted August 23, 2017 Share Posted August 23, 2017 Izzy was just the perfect middle ground for GNR, he was perfect in that role, I don't see Izzy ever coming back and having much hand in the songwriting process, but having an Izzy song on a future GNR release would definitely help. Izzy is essential for any rock and roll band, very mediocre/generic on his own. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
default_ Posted August 23, 2017 Share Posted August 23, 2017 Izzy kept it simple, kept things goin and I'm pretty sure we'd never had to take a Chinese Democracy had he stayed in the band, even if every other member but Axl and him decided to quit I'm sure if Izzy were still around the band would have survived quite well. Maybe even with a Zakk Wylde/Izzy combo, just imagine that shit? At the time Zakk were a hard bluesy rock n roll monster. He would even help Axl with the Elon John ballds. Talkin rhythm in general, it usually makes the structure of a song sounds complete, without it, it sounds bland and empty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gackt Posted August 23, 2017 Share Posted August 23, 2017 Sometimes those riffs underneath the solos are essential to keep the song strong; bands like Primus & Rush can do just fine with only one guitarist because of how strong the bassist is. I'd love to hear how an album like Appetite sounds with only one layer of guitars playing and the rest of the guitar leads muted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chevelle Posted August 24, 2017 Share Posted August 24, 2017 He's a great rhythm player, and was hugely important as a songwriter back in the day. But if his solo output is any indication, he hasn't been an interesting songwriter in decades and isn't important to the band now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
willl Posted August 24, 2017 Share Posted August 24, 2017 7 minutes ago, chevelle said: But if his solo output is any indication, he hasn't been an interesting songwriter in decades and isn't important to the band now. Give his records another spin, I can't believe that a GNR fan can listen to Izzys records and not find at least a few songs to enjoy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chevelle Posted August 24, 2017 Share Posted August 24, 2017 33 minutes ago, downliner said: Give his records another spin, I can't believe that a GNR fan can listen to Izzys records and not find at least a few songs to enjoy I did back in the height of my GNR obsession and even then they didn't do much for me...a few good songs here and there, but most of it struck me as middle of the road bluesy rock. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silverburst80 Posted August 24, 2017 Share Posted August 24, 2017 (edited) 1 hour ago, chevelle said: He's a great rhythm player, and was hugely important as a songwriter back in the day. But if his solo output is any indication, he hasn't been an interesting songwriter in decades and isn't important to the band now. His solo stuff doesn't really make me feel anything, i don't hate it but i don't particularly like it. Listening to music i wanna feel some emotion (anger, sadness, joy, excitement), i want it to grab me and slap me around the face whatever it is, Izzy's stuff just kinda ambles along. Edited August 24, 2017 by Silverburst80 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chevelle Posted August 24, 2017 Share Posted August 24, 2017 22 minutes ago, Silverburst80 said: His solo stuff doesn't really make me feel anything, i don't hate it but i don't particularly like it. Listening to music i wanna feel some emotion (anger, sadness, joy, excitement), i want it to grab me and slap me around the face whatever it is, Izzy's stuff just kinda ambles along. Exactly man. It's just sort of there for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magnus Cavalerra Posted August 24, 2017 Share Posted August 24, 2017 I think he probably lack budget to bring better backup band. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sunset Boulevard Posted August 24, 2017 Share Posted August 24, 2017 (edited) On 23/08/2017 at 1:47 AM, ludurigan said: Paul Stanley talks about rhythm guitar, song structure and more. Nice bits about how important the rhythm guitar player is to a band. Immediatelly thought about FORTUS... Yes, I thought about Fortus too Edited August 24, 2017 by Sunset Boulevard Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ludurigan Posted August 24, 2017 Author Share Posted August 24, 2017 8 hours ago, Sunset Boulevard said: Yes, I thought about Fortus too WHY DID YOU CHANGE THE WORDS IN MY POST? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ludurigan Posted August 24, 2017 Author Share Posted August 24, 2017 8 hours ago, Sunset Boulevard said: Yes, I thought about Fortus too @Sunset Boulevard your post WHERE YOU CHANGED MY WORDS has been reported For everyone reading this forum, I wrote "Izzy" (see opening post) but @Sunset Boulevard quoted my post and changed "Izzy" to "Fortus" What a fucking crap Hope mods can do something about it Thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
downzy Posted August 25, 2017 Share Posted August 25, 2017 Izzy's rhythm in SCOM makes Slash's guitar solo. I've long believed that behind any great guitar solo is a great rhythm section. Axl's piano in the November Rain outro serves the same purpose. I would say very essential to GNR's material. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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