wasted Posted August 13, 2018 Share Posted August 13, 2018 was Travis Bickle the first Incel? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Len Cnut Posted August 13, 2018 Share Posted August 13, 2018 30 minutes ago, wasted said: was Travis Bickle the first Incel? Nah, he was voluntary, he could’ve had Jodie Foster remember? Mind you, he could’ve fuckin’ had Cybil Shepherd if he hadn’t taken her to a wanking shop for their first date Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wasted Posted August 13, 2018 Share Posted August 13, 2018 21 minutes ago, Len Cnut said: Nah, he was voluntary, he could’ve had Jodie Foster remember? Mind you, he could’ve fuckin’ had Cybil Shepherd if he hadn’t taken her to a wanking shop for their first date Well Incels would get laid if they didn’t take dates home to watch porn? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Len Cnut Posted August 13, 2018 Share Posted August 13, 2018 2 minutes ago, wasted said: Well Incels would get laid if they didn’t take dates home to watch porn? Fuckin hell, you’ve blown that film wide open now man, was Travis a virgin? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wasted Posted August 13, 2018 Share Posted August 13, 2018 (edited) 23 minutes ago, Len Cnut said: Fuckin hell, you’ve blown that film wide open now man, was Travis a virgin? I’m saying he made it cool to go to porn and try to assissinate the president. Yes he was a virgin or at least temporarily celibate. 30-40 years later Incels and hence Travis Bickle are mainstream culture. Edited August 13, 2018 by wasted Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Len Cnut Posted August 13, 2018 Share Posted August 13, 2018 6 minutes ago, wasted said: I’m saying he made it cool to go to porn and try to assissinate the president. Yes he was a virgin or at least temporarily celibate. 30-40 years later Incels and hence Travis Bickle are mainstream culture. Temporarily, had to be temporarily, there was knocking shops all over Vietnam, thats the whole reason the yanks lost I mean your yanks are well known for their inability to resist a bit of the other, if pussy grew on trees you’d never get a thing done in America, they’d all be sitting under the pussy tree staring up at it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wasted Posted August 13, 2018 Share Posted August 13, 2018 28 minutes ago, Len Cnut said: Temporarily, had to be temporarily, there was knocking shops all over Vietnam, thats the whole reason the yanks lost I mean your yanks are well known for their inability to resist a bit of the other, if pussy grew on trees you’d never get a thing done in America, they’d all be sitting under the pussy tree staring up at it. Wasn’t Travis back from Nam? I’m saying it’s culturally an upswing in loser porn guy who stalks political figures is kind of cool for 20 seconds before he realises his folly. I think if Cybil Sheperd had fucked this guy he wouldn’t have tried to save the world. And that’s the whole Incel thing. No 1 Incel Icon: Robert DeNiro. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Len Cnut Posted August 13, 2018 Share Posted August 13, 2018 1 hour ago, wasted said: Wasn’t Travis back from Nam? I’m saying it’s culturally an upswing in loser porn guy who stalks political figures is kind of cool for 20 seconds before he realises his folly. I think if Cybil Sheperd had fucked this guy he wouldn’t have tried to save the world. And that’s the whole Incel thing. No 1 Incel Icon: Robert DeNiro. Nah man. James Dean. Think about it, when did he ever get his dick wet on celluloid? He was all man but it never went down, not ever, Rebel, Giant, East of Eden, I've seen it all Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Len Cnut Posted August 13, 2018 Share Posted August 13, 2018 8 minutes ago, Oldest Goat said: Trump is president of America fucking the world up in a real way. One in a Million is just a song. In my mind anyone offended by the Trump pinata is being a silly pussy and anyone who hates OIAM and wants to discuss/criticize it has every right to - but shouldn't go as far as being upset or offended by it because they've actually misunderstood the song. I'm one of those cunts, aren't I? No..you’re THE cunt 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieselDaisy Posted August 14, 2018 Share Posted August 14, 2018 5 hours ago, Len Cnut said: Nah, he was voluntary, he could’ve had Jodie Foster remember? Mind you, he could’ve fuckin’ had Cybil Shepherd if he hadn’t taken her to a wanking shop for their first date He took her for apple pie and coffee in fairness. I believe the wanking shop was the second date. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wasted Posted August 14, 2018 Share Posted August 14, 2018 7 hours ago, Len Cnut said: Nah man. James Dean. Think about it, when did he ever get his dick wet on celluloid? He was all man but it never went down, not ever, Rebel, Giant, East of Eden, I've seen it all That’s what I’m saying Hollywood has manufacturing Incel culture for decades. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
killuridols Posted August 14, 2018 Share Posted August 14, 2018 Why won't the Incels pay for sex and solve their fuckin' shit without the whole drama? I don't get it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Angelica Posted August 14, 2018 Share Posted August 14, 2018 18 minutes ago, killuridols said: Why won't the Incels pay for sex and solve their fuckin' shit without the whole drama? I don't get it. Because they’re entitled to sex and love but can’t find it because women are so terribly cruel and shallow, what with their preferences for men who aren’t seething with self pitying rage and who can strike up a conversation with them. They see paying for it as beneath them. They also seem absolutely terrified of sex (not to mention women), as much as they pine for it. From what I understand, the ideal for these douche canoes would be a barely legal virgin. This may be self-destructive behavior for them, but god knows prostitutes are better off for it! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soon Posted August 14, 2018 Share Posted August 14, 2018 I learned that the term incel started in the 90's and was coined by a young women who was forming a positive, inclusive support group. Id already been getting a sense of how incels have a particular sorta association with Canadian culture but was still surprised to learn that the term was created in Canada. Very close to where I live actually. "It has roots in online use going back more than 20 years, and, as is often the case with hateful words, began its life in a harmless fashion. It was coined in the late 1990s by a Canadian woman named Alana (she asked that her last name not be used in this story) when she was volunteering for a not-for-profit internet provider based in Ottawa after she graduated from Carleton University. In May 1997, she posted in a local Usenet newsgroup: “If you have had life-long difficulty starting dating or forming relationships, you might like to check out my new web page.” She provided a link to a personal site that she titled, “Alana’s Involuntary Celibacy Project.” https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2018/05/08/intel-involuntary-celibate-movement-218324 This year Alana started a new site called Love Not Anger https://sites.google.com/view/lovenotanger Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Len Cnut Posted August 14, 2018 Share Posted August 14, 2018 2 hours ago, Angelica said: Because they’re entitled to sex and love but can’t find it because women are so terribly cruel and shallow, what with their preferences for men who aren’t seething with self pitying rage and who can strike up a conversation with them. They see paying for it as beneath them. They also seem absolutely terrified of sex (not to mention women), as much as they pine for it. From what I understand, the ideal for these douche canoes would be a barely legal virgin. This may be self-destructive behavior for them, but god knows prostitutes are better off for it! Eh?! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-W.A.R- Posted August 14, 2018 Share Posted August 14, 2018 14 hours ago, wasted said: was Travis Bickle the first Incel? Laughing at the thought of Taxi Driver being a film about Travis on the internet all day complaining about women he never talks to. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieselDaisy Posted August 14, 2018 Share Posted August 14, 2018 In Betsy Travis sees an angelic redeeming figure, completely separate from the grime of New York City - Scorsese films her scenes differently, employing light and slow-motion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Angelica Posted August 14, 2018 Share Posted August 14, 2018 30 minutes ago, Len Cnut said: Eh?! Combine a pathological fear of women and an obsession with ‘purity’. There’s a lot of defense if pedophiles and the idealization of barely post-pubescent girls. Cause they’re more likely to be virgins. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieselDaisy Posted August 14, 2018 Share Posted August 14, 2018 I actually had a pathological fear of the teenage girls in my high school. Horrendous chav fringes, make-up that looked like it had been painted on with a paint brush, and luminescent Kappa jackets. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Angelica Posted August 14, 2018 Share Posted August 14, 2018 2 minutes ago, DieselDaisy said: I actually had a pathological fear of the teenage girls in my high school. Horrendous chav fringes, make-up that looked like it had been painted on with a paint brush, and luminescent Kappa jackets. 😂 teenage girls are terrifying for myriad reasons, it’s like these dickheads bypassed high school. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieselDaisy Posted August 14, 2018 Share Posted August 14, 2018 This was basically the teenage girls in my school, And that would be one of the better looking specimens. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Angelica Posted August 14, 2018 Share Posted August 14, 2018 (edited) 12 minutes ago, Oldest Goat said: @Angelica 😂😂😂 it’s still the fucking best Edited August 14, 2018 by Angelica Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soon Posted August 14, 2018 Share Posted August 14, 2018 On August 12, 2018 at 9:18 PM, killuridols said: I have no answers for that either.... I really don't know what Incels want because it is contradictory what they do.... virginity is mostly a temporary state of a person but when you talk about it as "involuntary", it stops making sense... it's fatalistic to label yourself like that, it is accepting that you wont ever have it but no one is telling them that it doesn't happen because of themselves, not because of the women! Fuckin' ridiculous... I wouldn't have a problem with it if it wasn't that they've gone lunatics and as a result, we have to deal with them being a disgrace and a danger to women. Not only women have to worry about rapists, now have to worry about the Incels.... JFC, leave us the fuck alone! Apparently there are different segments of involuntarily celebrate men; Shy Boys, Nice Guys and Incels. There is an analogy drawn from the movie the Matrix. Id heard lots about "red pilling" over the last number of years and for me it just meant "dude-bros are about to talk nonsense." Red pill is "seeing reality as it is" (women hold all power and are mean, anti-semitism, race war, etc) and blue pill (live happily in a delusion that the media creates). But in this subculture there is also the Black Pill (humanity is headed for doom and there is no hope for men). As far as I gather, Shy Boys are more into mutual aide and self improvement and dont blame women. The term "shy" has apparently been in use since late 80's to define those types. Shy Guys would be described as Blue Pilled. I guess the Nice Guys are red pilled and feel there is hope now that they know the "truth" and can devise a plan to win sex from the evil women. And incels are black pilled and have abandoned hope, replacing it with hate. So, yeah, it seems that the concern we've both voiced about them being unhinged lunatics with no goal of a positive outcome is really central to the identity. It is fatalistic and proud of that fact. Though they speak of wanting sex with a women, it is mostly a spring board into vitriol against women for dooming humanity. They want an ideal of a women that they themselves believe does not exist. So rape allows the incel to create that image of her in his mind and impose that will, where as seeing a sex worker only highlights how "vile" women are in the real word. Really disgusting and scary. I think whats happening is that all the various groupings are being called "Incels" which is not good imo. Someone who might have found a home as a Shy Boy is told that they are an incel and are directed towards that. And they provide a cover of innocence to these discussion forums. But the movement its self is basically a dooms day cult centred around misogyny and violent nihilism. I found this chart and thought it was kinda useful. It isnt perfect - especially at the start with "other reasons" being far too simplistic and omitting physical disability - but it kinda maps the journey from shy boy to incel, including how organized male supremacists take advantage and recruit people: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
killuridols Posted August 14, 2018 Share Posted August 14, 2018 6 hours ago, Angelica said: Because they’re entitled to sex and love but can’t find it because women are so terribly cruel and shallow, what with their preferences for men who aren’t seething with self pitying rage and who can strike up a conversation with them. But love and sex are separate things. Being celibate I think it means lack of sex, right? If that's the problem, they could pay someone and solve it. Period. Now both love and sex together will not come with an order from man to woman: come here and love me/give me sex. Where did they learn that? Elliot Rodger was so stupid when being envious of couples because he could only see the outside of those relationships. He would check them making out and think "they are so lucky, they have each other and go together home and have amazing sex, while I'm here being forever alone"... What the fuck he knew about them and if their sex was amazing? Jack shit he knew and all that glorification of sex and relationships was a waste of time. 1 hour ago, soon said: I found this chart and thought it was kinda useful. It isnt perfect - especially at the start with "other reasons" being far too simplistic and omitting physical disability - but it kinda maps the journey from shy boy to incel, including how organized male supremacists take advantage and recruit people: What that map is missing is the family Lack of love and contention from primary caretakers is what lead people to all that shit. Also to not have anything to do: no school, no job, no responsibilities. When your mind and body are busy you don't have time for spending hours thinking of this bullshit. The name "involuntary celibate" is ridiculous. It makes no sense to me. It's like saying "I'm involuntary alive" just because I am not dead or say "I'm involuntarily starving until lunch time" There's an added charge of drama to a situation that is just normal. Where have these people got the idea that humans are fucking 24/7? Not even the ones who get a lot of it are doing it all the time. Internet plays a big part here.... The interaction with strangers that you don't oftenly see and hear is probably the biggest influence these boys get when they are alone in real life. When you don't have a father, mother, siblings, friends who you can lean on, other people will take that place, unfortunately it is strangers who are either evil looking for a prey or just people who you will never see, hug, kiss..... Sucks.... 😔 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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