Ace Nova Posted October 7, 2014 Share Posted October 7, 2014 (edited) Religion and theories aside, which would you prefer? Edited October 7, 2014 by Kasanova King Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon Comstock Posted October 7, 2014 Share Posted October 7, 2014 Seeing as holy wars and religious oppression have severely retarded social progress throughout history the only reasonable answer is a Godless world. God = human conflict. Why not try it the other way around for a while? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ace Nova Posted October 7, 2014 Author Share Posted October 7, 2014 (edited) Seeing as holy wars and religious oppression have severely retarded social progress throughout history the only reasonable answer is a Godless world. God = human conflict. Why not try it the other way around for a while?Religion and God have always been the scapegoat. One always seems to assume man is a peaceful race...when in reality, the exact opposite is true. Edited October 7, 2014 by Kasanova King 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chevelle Posted October 7, 2014 Share Posted October 7, 2014 I would prefer if there were a god, but I don't believe there is one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon Comstock Posted October 7, 2014 Share Posted October 7, 2014 Seeing as holy wars and religious oppression have severely retarded social progress throughout history the only reasonable answer is a Godless world. God = human conflict. Why not try it the other way around for a while?Religion and God have always been the scapegoat. One always seems to assume man is a peaceful race...when in reality, the exact opposite is true.True. Why though? Maybe it's God, maybe it's not. Maybe if nobody thought about an 'afterlife' they'd appreciate things in real life a little more, appreciate each other a little more and actually be more peaceful. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ace Nova Posted October 7, 2014 Author Share Posted October 7, 2014 True. Why though? Maybe it's God, maybe it's not. Maybe if nobody thought about an 'afterlife' they'd appreciate things in real life a little more, appreciate each other a little more and actually be more peaceful.Maybe. A person once asked Albert Einstein about a world with peace. He took them over to a microscope and showed them microscopic organisms. When the person viewed the microscopic organisms, all he could see was chaos and them fighting, killing, and running over each other. And Einstein replied, "This is the nature of life". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon Comstock Posted October 7, 2014 Share Posted October 7, 2014 True. Why though? Maybe it's God, maybe it's not. Maybe if nobody thought about an 'afterlife' they'd appreciate things in real life a little more, appreciate each other a little more and actually be more peaceful.Maybe. A person once asked Albert Einstein about a world with peace. He took them over to a microscope and showed them microscopic organisms. When the person viewed the microscopic organisms, all he could see was chaos and them fighting, killing, and running over each other. And Einstein replied, "This is the nature of life".Honestly, if it were announced tomorrow that God absolutely didn't exist there's a fair chance humanity would probably destroy itself in a power struggle and you'd wind up with a bunch of modern Hitler's or some kind of 1984 dystopian shit. But it's nice to think otherwise sometimes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strange Broue Posted October 7, 2014 Share Posted October 7, 2014 Do you have ANY proof that god exist? which form?exactlycase closed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon Comstock Posted October 7, 2014 Share Posted October 7, 2014 ^that's not really an answer to the question...Anyway, I don't really know if I have a preference either way but I guess a godless universe would be more random which is cooler than every little fucked up detail being planned out I think. Both are kind of pointless though, in a random universe creatures live and die all the time and it doesn't matter in the grand whole of things, and in a created universe; I don't believe in messiahs or Jesus really being the son of god or any human ever having been sent directly from god or anything like that, but I do believe there's probably lots of other life out there because space is too massive for there not to be, so they'd all be created by god. What would make us so 'special'? We'd be like a forgotten "Sims" world. There's no way a god looks at us and thinks "Yea, job well done there." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arnold layne Posted October 7, 2014 Share Posted October 7, 2014 Being an atheist causes loneliness in a world full of ideas, possibilities and people. Religion isn't something someone chooses to believe in. I tried. It's a comfortable notion I'd imagine, but it just doesn't make sense to me. To be fair, not a lot does though. I don't know. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Georgy Zhukov Posted October 7, 2014 Share Posted October 7, 2014 Religion never really caused wars, just an excuse for war. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Drama Posted October 7, 2014 Share Posted October 7, 2014 If people did actually think of an afterlife there wouldn't be any killing for deities what with it being a disqualifier and all with every bloody religion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bards Posted October 7, 2014 Share Posted October 7, 2014 Seeing as holy wars and religious oppression have severely retarded social progress throughout history the only reasonable answer is a Godless world. God = human conflict. Why not try it the other way around for a while?Religion and God have always been the scapegoat. One always seems to assume man is a peaceful race...when in reality, the exact opposite is true.I agree with your second point. Calling religion a "scapegoat" seems to be a cop-out on an epic level though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TeeJay410 Posted October 7, 2014 Share Posted October 7, 2014 The only reason I'd like a God is the prospect of an afterlife. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lithium Posted October 7, 2014 Share Posted October 7, 2014 (edited) What I would prefer personally doesn't matter. The truth, however, does. Edited October 7, 2014 by Lithium Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wasted Posted October 7, 2014 Share Posted October 7, 2014 Suppose if there was a god I'd prefer that. Although if there is one now its hard to see the impact. I see void. I see it clearly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoulMonster Posted October 7, 2014 Share Posted October 7, 2014 Religion and theories aside, which would you prefer?I wouldn't mind living in a world with a truly kind god who made everything good for everyone all the time. But since we obviously aren't, I would prefer there to not be a god in charge because that god wouldn't be a kind one.Seeing as holy wars and religious oppression have severely retarded social progress throughout history the only reasonable answer is a Godless world. God = human conflict. Why not try it the other way around for a while?Religion and God have always been the scapegoat. One always seems to assume man is a peaceful race...when in reality, the exact opposite is true.About 10 % of all humans killed in batlle has dies in religious warfare.If god existed and was good he would have created us more peaceful or without any reason to fight.Honestly, if it were announced tomorrow that God absolutely didn't existWe already known god obviously don't exist. It has sort of been announced over and over and overf again.Religion never really caused wars, just an excuse for war.So what are the real reasons for IS warfare in Syria and Iraq? Do they just lie when they claim they want to create a state governed by Sharia? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Len Cnut Posted October 7, 2014 Share Posted October 7, 2014 Yeah, exactly, 'prefer's got nothing to do with it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strange Broue Posted October 7, 2014 Share Posted October 7, 2014 ^that's not really an answer to the question...Anyway, I don't really know if I have a preference either way but I guess a godless universe would be more random which is cooler than every little fucked up detail being planned out I think. Both are kind of pointless though, in a random universe creatures live and die all the time and it doesn't matter in the grand whole of things, and in a created universe; I don't believe in messiahs or Jesus really being the son of god or any human ever having been sent directly from god or anything like that, but I do believe there's probably lots of other life out there because space is too massive for there not to be, so they'd all be created by god. What would make us so 'special'? We'd be like a forgotten "Sims" world. There's no way a god looks at us and thinks "Yea, job well done there."That's the only good answer to this questionThis is not about opinions etc.If you have zero proof for an argument then the debate is pointless Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wasted Posted October 7, 2014 Share Posted October 7, 2014 I'm not really sure what god is meant to be so it kind of makes no difference. No god seems to effect change, it seems like futile hope. There is hope then you die. Here's Debbie with the sports. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieselDaisy Posted October 7, 2014 Share Posted October 7, 2014 Religion's role in warfare is overrated - basically because it has been making the news a lot since September 11th. Since 1648, Europe settled the religious question and went back to making war for other reasons, dynastic, imperial. With a few exceptions (e.g. Ireland) there was little religion involved in European warfare after that date. In the east, differing religions - Buddhism, Hinduism, Taoism, Shintoism - co-exist peacefully. In fact they interact, exchanging sutras and philosophies. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wasted Posted October 7, 2014 Share Posted October 7, 2014 Cough. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoulMonster Posted October 7, 2014 Share Posted October 7, 2014 (edited) Religion's role in warfare is overrated - basically because it has been making the news a lot since September 11th. Since 1648, Europe settled the religious question and went back to making war for other reasons, dynastic, imperial. With a few exceptions (e.g. Ireland) there was little religion involved in European warfare after that date. In the east, differing religions - Buddhism, Hinduism, Taoism, Shintoism - co-exist peacefully. In fact they interact, exchanging sutras and philosophies. Some more information:If we look at the 100 largest genocides in history, 10 of these were primarily motivated by religion and they are:The Crusades (1095-1291; 3 mill dead)The Albegensian Crusade (1208-1229; 1 mill dead)The French Wars of Religion (1562-1598; 3 mill dead)The Thirty Years War (1618-1648; 7.5 mill dead)Cromwell's Invasion of Ireland (1649-1652; 0.4 mill dead)The Taiping Rebellion (1850-1864; 20 mill dead)The Panthay Rebellion (1855-1873; 1 mill dead)The Hui Rebellion (1862-1878; 0.6 mill dead)The Mahdi Revolt (1881-1898, 5.5 mill dead)The Partition of India (1947; 0.5 mill dead)In total, 10 % of everybody killed in wars, died in religious wars. I don't know if people exaggerate this or not, but regardless I think it is horrible.One might also argue that the Holocaust (6 mill dead) was primarily a religiously inspired genocide since the racism against Jews largely was due to their religion.Of smaller religious conflicts we have the Shimabara Rebellion in Japan in 1587-1660, the war in Lebanon in 1975-1990, Christian persecutions in Vietnam in 1820-1885, progroms towards Jews in Russia in 1919, Gnostic heresy in Byzantine in 845-855, the Dutch Revolt in 1566-1609 and genocide against Jews in Ukraine in 1648-1654.As DieselDaisy says, followers of Eastern religions rarely kill each other over who has the better god. Nor do pagans, shamanists and animists. These relatively flexible religions usually keep calm until they bump up against rigid monotheists.This was taken from Atrocitology by Matthew White, and parts were copied directly. Edited October 7, 2014 by SoulMonster Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Len Cnut Posted October 7, 2014 Share Posted October 7, 2014 I think Soulmonster might be God? Think about it, that all knowing inscrutable face, the unnverving degree of knowledge about just about any subject imaginable, the lack of any discernible emotion as one would expect from the omnipotent. Also, he's white 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieselDaisy Posted October 7, 2014 Share Posted October 7, 2014 (edited) How the fuck do you arrive at the Crusades figure (and some of the others) haha? I mean estimates about how much of Europe died as a consequence of the Black Death range from 30% to 80% haha. Edited October 8, 2014 by DieselDaisy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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