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Trainspotting seems like a cross between British realism and Goodfellas. I always saw it as a spin off Pulp Fiction. Like that is what shaped it, it was marketed like that anyway. The soundtracks are both iconic. 

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The Diary of a Teenage Girl creepy, disturbing movie. made me feel bad for this 15 year old girl whose mom was so busy partying she didn't see her daughter become a nymphomaniac drug addict :( no rating, it was too sad and disturbing...

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10 hours ago, bucketfoot said:

Just the general tone of it, mixing the grim subject matter with proper laugh out loud comedy and capers and also being massively uplifting, it's pretty unique what it does. Requiem for a Dream was just pure bleakness really, a brilliant and very powerful film no doubt but I wouldn't say I enjoyed it. I haven't seen Panic in Needle Park but I'll check it out. I suppose something like 'Spun' tried to do a similar kind of thing although it's nowhere near the level of Trainspotting, obviously.

I see what you mean about Goodfellas in that it mixes bleak subject matter with moments that have you laughing your head off but if you take Joe Pesci's Tommy out of it, you basically have a straight, serious gangster movie, I'd say 95% of the laughs are centred around him, he's almost the light relief which is something given that he's so psychotic. I saw Drugstore Cowboy when I was younger and although I can't remember too much of it, I remember I enjoyed it, I'll have to rewatch.  Haven't seen Basketball Diaries, I'll give that a watch as well. As I say, I think 'Spun' had a bit of a Trainspotting vibe about it.

I have to disagree about Danny Boyle though, he's far too talented to be accused of copying anyone, he's one of the best directors currently working in film imo. His range of stuff is really good as well if you think of things like Slumdog, 28 Days Later, Sunshine and 127 hours. He's had a couple of missteps like The Beach and A Life Less Ordinary but even they were decent/entertaining. I don't rate Guy Ritchie anywhere near Danny Boyle, I did really enjoy Snatch (much more than Lock, Stock) and his Sherlock Holmes movies were good. He's also done some complete and utter shite like Swept Away and Revolver.

Agree with this, overall it's uplifting and feelgood.

I think copied is bit loose but there's this window that opened up in the UK for a Scorsese/Tarantino and they filled that role. They are coming from similar influences. Even Shallow Grave has something of an American influence. Scosese has a spread of movies like Boyle too. Slumdog is his King of Comedy. He can do 127 Hours then comeback and do his Departed, T2. 

And then Simon Pegg is like the british stoner comedy director. 

I think there's a lot of Americanization and influence from Hollywood. They are probably working through the hollywood system too. They quickly get sucked into the machine. 

Can't think of any british movies, thing like Four Weddings and Bridget Jones, then Naked on the other end of the spectrum. 

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3 minutes ago, wasted said:

I think copied is bit loose but there's this window that opened up in the UK for a Scorsese/Tarantino and they filled that role. They are coming from similar influences. Even Shallow Grave has something of an American influence. Scosese has a spread of movies like Boyle too. Slumdog is his King of Comedy. He can do 127 Hours then comeback and do his Departed, T2. 

And then Simon Pegg is like the british stoner comedy director. 

I think there's a lot of Americanization and influence from Hollywood. They are probably working through the hollywood system too. They quickly get sucked into the machine. 

Can't think of any british movies, thing like Four Weddings and Bridget Jones, then Naked on the other end of the spectrum. 

I agree that he'll have been influenced by Scorsese to an extent, definitely. I mean Scorsese will have had some influence on virtually every serious director of the last 30-40 years, I guess it's that thing of at what point does influence spill over into plagiarism? I also agree with your earlier point that Tarantino/Pulp Fiction paved the way for a lot of directors as well, movies started to become hip again around that time and there's no doubt Boyle will have been influenced by him to an extent as well. I just think Danny deserves to be mentioned alongside those kind of names now because his stuff has been pretty consistently great.

23 minutes ago, wasted said:

And then Simon Pegg is like the british stoner comedy director.

You mean Edgar Wright?

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6 minutes ago, bucketfoot said:

I agree that he'll have been influenced by Scorsese to an extent, definitely. I mean Scorsese will have had some influence on virtually every serious director of the last 30-40 years, I guess it's that thing of at what point does influence spill over into plagiarism? I also agree with your earlier point that Tarantino/Pulp Fiction paved the way for a lot of directors as well, movies started to become hip again around that time and there's no doubt Boyle will have been influenced by him to an extent as well. I just think Danny deserves to be mentioned alongside those kind of names now because his stuff has been pretty consistently great.

You mean Edgar Wright?

Plaigarism no but this violence/comedy is a good place to start for a director. It's more about the audience maybe, there was Scorsese, then Tarantino, so I was ready for Trainspotting, and the industry was open to making it. I just don't think Boyle invented that style of movie. Even Oliver Stone was doing pulp crime stories with NBK after Tarantino, studios were giving the green light. So I wonder how much that played in Trainspotting. The fact that there was this new market after Tarantino might have oiled the wheels. I mean Sick Boy quoting Bond movies is just so Tarantino. I didn't even question the influence of Reservoir Dogs. The pop culture references, the characters and dialogue just seemed directly inspired from Tarantino. How the book is presented in the film is much more Tarantinoesque than the book. The book is a little less playful and more harrowing. You dwell more on the death of Tommy, you are more aware of the shithole and scumminess. Trainspotting the movie is lad-ed up and brings the witty doalogue and set pieces up. It's all more of a rush and in the movie bubble. Which I think was invented by Goodfellas. Here's these scary guys who are complete sociopaths, but they are also funny. To the ectent that the main point of Scorsese's movie that kids are born into being gangsters kind of gets overlooked for certain funny scenes. Trainspotting has a nihilistic pov but it's really all the dialogue and banter that gets the attention. 

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John Wick 2

It's probably better than the first, but I like the first better - if that makes any sense.

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9 hours ago, wasted said:

Plaigarism no but this violence/comedy is a good place to start for a director. It's more about the audience maybe, there was Scorsese, then Tarantino, so I was ready for Trainspotting, and the industry was open to making it. I just don't think Boyle invented that style of movie. Even Oliver Stone was doing pulp crime stories with NBK after Tarantino, studios were giving the green light. So I wonder how much that played in Trainspotting. The fact that there was this new market after Tarantino might have oiled the wheels. I mean Sick Boy quoting Bond movies is just so Tarantino. I didn't even question the influence of Reservoir Dogs. The pop culture references, the characters and dialogue just seemed directly inspired from Tarantino. How the book is presented in the film is much more Tarantinoesque than the book. The book is a little less playful and more harrowing. You dwell more on the death of Tommy, you are more aware of the shithole and scumminess. Trainspotting the movie is lad-ed up and brings the witty doalogue and set pieces up. It's all more of a rush and in the movie bubble. Which I think was invented by Goodfellas. Here's these scary guys who are complete sociopaths, but they are also funny. To the ectent that the main point of Scorsese's movie that kids are born into being gangsters kind of gets overlooked for certain funny scenes. Trainspotting has a nihilistic pov but it's really all the dialogue and banter that gets the attention. 

Great points. Yeah, Trainspotting was definitely aimed with one eye on the lad-mag market in the UK. I remember it being promoted very heavily in those kinds of magazines during that era. They knew they could tap into that market and find an audience for it. Also, the movie and music magazines really pushed it, that iconic poster was everywhere, it had the cool soundtrack. It became this thing that you had to see if you were of a certain age.

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10 hours ago, bucketfoot said:

Great points. Yeah, Trainspotting was definitely aimed with one eye on the lad-mag market in the UK. I remember it being promoted very heavily in those kinds of magazines during that era. They knew they could tap into that market and find an audience for it. Also, the movie and music magazines really pushed it, that iconic poster was everywhere, it had the cool soundtrack. It became this thing that you had to see if you were of a certain age.

I havent seen the first one for a while but I remember the one liners and certain scenes and the trailer and the posters. For it had that Pulp Fiction marketing. I see some paralells between them and Scorsese but havent really scene by scene checked it. But the stop frames are Scosese. The gritty situations off set by amusing or irreverent humor is kind of a common. I feel like Boyle knew what he was doing in a good way. 

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11 hours ago, James Bond said:

John Wick 2

It's probably better than the first, but I like the first better - if that makes any sense.

ok i have John Wick on my DVR, i want to see it before i see 2 but does his dog really die??? :( 

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11 hours ago, James Bond said:

John Wick 2

It's probably better than the first, but I like the first better - if that makes any sense.

1st one was easily the better movie for me. 2nd was just a rehash where they ramped the action up even further and it lost a bit of the impact of the 1st. Still enjoyed it though.

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1 hour ago, AxlsFavoriteRose said:

ok i have John Wick on my DVR, i want to see it before i see 2 but does his dog really die??? :( 

Yeah but don't worry, he gets sweet revenge. ;)

1 hour ago, bucketfoot said:

1st one was easily the better movie for me. 2nd was just a rehash where they ramped the action up even further and it lost a bit of the impact of the 1st. Still enjoyed it though.

Yeah I liked it a lot and from a technical perspective it was perhaps even better, but you summed it up nicely - not as impactful.

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2 minutes ago, James Bond said:

Yeah but don't worry, he gets sweet revenge. ;)

this is still too much for me :(

i can't watch anything or read any book that has animal death, unless it's an old dog,cat, horse whatever and it passes peacefully. 

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Baby Driver - 4.5/5

"It looks like a rip-off of Drive." It's not. What a great movie! Totally recommended. Great performances all around.

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2 hours ago, AxlsFavoriteRose said:

this is still too much for me :(

i can't watch anything or read any book that has animal death, unless it's an old dog,cat, horse whatever and it passes peacefully. 

It's hard to watch, but the way it's handled is part of what makes the film so effective. We don't even know who or what John Wick is at that point but immediately we're on his side. There's more to it than that but obviously I don't want to spoil the film!

Give it a chance. The payoff is beyond satisfying. Easily one of the best action films ever made.

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Dazed and Confused meh. it was ok. Matthew was the best part but this is no American Graffitti IMO 5.5/10

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Slacker is the real masterpiece from Linklater. 

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Rewatched John Wick last night after all the discussion. I was not disappointed.

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