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The problems with talented footballer Raheem Sterling's black v white research (that most of the British media seemed to love and be mightily impressed with!), comparing the media's coverage of a first-team white player compared with a black player who hadn't played for the first-team:
Using a quantitative 1:1 research method, as Sterling did literally, yesterday, I'd criticise the media for giving the headlines to (black) Cori Gauff, who beat another unseeded player, over (blonde) Yulia Putintseva, who beat #2 seed Osaka.
Adding some qualitative perspective, I know it's mostly because Gauff is 15 and beat Venus Williams, who is a bigger name than Osaka.
The above is mostly to criticise the media jumping on any black complaints, as they did with Heather Watson's social media gripes yesterday, while ignoring people like me's class complaints!
I am an unemployed Doctor of Philosophy, majoring in Communications Studies. 

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Any sources you want to cite here? 

From an American perspective, British Liberal media could be anything from the Telegraph to the Morning Star. :lol:

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21 minutes ago, Gracii Guns said:

Any sources you want to cite here? 

From an American perspective, British Liberal media could be anything from the Telegraph to the Morning Star. :lol:

There's nowt wrong with t'Morning Star, I say there's nowt wrong with t'Morning Star lass.

EDIT: I'm sick to death of hearing about racism.  Yes its a worthy cause etc but I'm just fuckin' tired of it, I couldn't care less if a persons a racist or an institutions racist.  The latter is probably more important in terms of tackling but honestly, its just tiresome, a man could waste a life working this bollocks out.  As long as I ain't being pelted in the street I don't give a shit.

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29 minutes ago, Axl's Agony Aunt said:

I am an unemployed Doctor of Philosophy, majoring in Communications Studies. 

Well that explains the unemployment. :lol: 

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22 minutes ago, Len Cnut said:

There's nowt wrong with t'Morning Star, I say there's nowt wrong with t'Morning Star lass.

EDIT: I'm sick to death of hearing about racism.  Yes its a worthy cause etc but I'm just fuckin' tired of it, I couldn't care less if a persons a racist or an institutions racist.  The latter is probably more important in terms of tackling but honestly, its just tiresome, a man could waste a life working this bollocks out.  As long as I ain't being pelted in the street I don't give a shit.

Sounds like racist talk to me! *breaks chair over you*

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25 minutes ago, Len Cnut said:

EDIT: I'm sick to death of hearing about racism.  Yes its a worthy cause etc but I'm just fuckin' tired of it, I couldn't care less if a persons a racist or an institutions racist.  The latter is probably more important in terms of tackling but honestly, its just tiresome, a man could waste a life working this bollocks out.  As long as I ain't being pelted in the street I don't give a shit.

That's just because you feel it overshadows discrimination of lispians. But lithen up, thucker! It will always be socially acceptable to make fun of cottonmouths like you!

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British talk, fuck yeah! Been missing this!!

I do think that ‘centering’ has its place in editorial policy. It’s just almost never done right. And there’s seems to often be plenty of room to question the purity of intentions.

Just like dr King, Davis and Stokley taught us: race and class are an interlocked and indivisible structure of oppression. Centering doesn’t seem to apply that lens often, does it? Just POC to the front. I mean, divide and conquer much British liberal media!!?? (Disclaimer: I know nothing about your news media, lol)

Theres a stand out episode of the Sorkin tv series Sports Night about both the merits and difficulties of centering. Worth a watch imho.

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1 hour ago, Oldest Goat said:

Sounds like racist talk to me! *breaks chair over you*

 

1 hour ago, SoulMonster said:

That's just because you feel it overshadows discrimination of lispians. But lithen up, thucker! It will always be socially acceptable to make fun of cottonmouths like you!

You two are probably good test subjects actually cuz you're not right wing nutters, aren't yous also sick of fuckin' hearing about it?  I mean take you for example Soulie, say I think I've got some massive problem with Norwegians and you were a minority in the country we lived in, would you really give a fuck?  First of all, to me, racism, on an inter-personal level, its an impossible condition to diagnose.  How do you ever know someones a racist, really and truly?  I mean someone might read this forum and conclude that you or me or Dazey or Dies' was a racist.  Its like...a feeling inside you, its what your thinking...and how do you ever know what a persons really thinking?  I mean I could say umpteen racist things all day long and not mean a word, or I could be all right on and politically correct and say all the right things but deep down hate fuckin' blacks or whites or whatevers.  You just don't know.  Institutionally its a seperate thing, if people aren't getting oppertunities or whatever, if we're at fuckin' Warsaw ghettos and stars of david in the streets level obviously thats a massive problem but like this other shit...it just seems like such a fools errand.

And then like, say you work out someone is a racist, if there was some sort of rectal racism thermometer you could shove up someones jacksie and give you an accurate reading...OK, now what?  What, shoot em?  Bung em in the stocks, put a yellow X on their front door?  I mean this is a free society, if you wanna hate pakis or zimbabwaens or jamaicans or swedes then you're free to do so, as long as you don't go fuckin' em up in the streets or whatever.

A lot of great men in history were racist, I know thats a really hard pill to swallow for some people but its true, Wagner was a racist, Churchill was a racist, it just is what it is.  I want to live my life and occupy my mind and time with fulfilling shit, not sit around arguing over or trying to work out whether someones a bellend or not.

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5 minutes ago, Len Cnut said:

 

You two are probably good test subjects actually cuz you're not right wing nutters, aren't yous also sick of fuckin' hearing about it?  I mean take you for example Soulie, say I think I've got some massive problem with Norwegians and you were a minority in the country we lived in, would you really give a fuck?  First of all, to me, racism, on an inter-personal level, its an impossible condition to diagnose.  How do you ever know someones a racist, really and truly?  I mean someone might read this forum and conclude that you or me or Dazey or Dies' was a racist.  Its like...a feeling inside you, its what your thinking...and how do you ever know what a persons really thinking?  I mean I could say umpteen racist things all day long and not mean a word, or I could be all right on and politically correct and say all the right things but deep down hate fuckin' blacks or whites or whatevers.  You just don't know.  Institutionally its a seperate thing, if people aren't getting oppertunities or whatever, if we're at fuckin' Warsaw ghettos and stars of david in the streets level obviously thats a massive problem but like this other shit...it just seems like such a fools errand.

And then like, say you work out someone is a racist, if there was some sort of rectal racism thermometer you could shove up someones jacksie and give you an accurate reading...OK, now what?  What, shoot em?  Bung em in the stocks, put a yellow X on their front door?  I mean this is a free society, if you wanna hate pakis or zimbabwaens or jamaicans or swedes then you're free to do so, as long as you don't go fuckin' em up in the streets or whatever.

A lot of great men in history were racist, I know thats a really hard pill to swallow for some people but its true, Wagner was a racist, Churchill was a racist, it just is what it is.  I want to live my life and occupy my mind and time with fulfilling shit, not sit around arguing over or trying to work out whether someones a bellend or not.

Churchill was more a Victorian imperialist who believed the Anglosphere, he included USA also, should steer the poorer nations towards representative parliamentarianism, democracy, jurisprudence, civilization, etc. He believed in ''the white man's burden'' in otherwords. By the context of his age he certainly wouldn't be thought of as a racist.

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12 minutes ago, DieselDaisy said:

Churchill was more a Victorian imperialist who believed the Anglosphere, he included USA also, should steer the poorer nations towards representative parliamentarianism, democracy, jurisprudence, civilization, etc. He believed in ''the white man's burden'' in otherwords. By the context of his age he certainly wouldn't be thought of as a racist.

Exactly, as a lot of other people wouldn't but they get decontextualized and put through the ringer because people sometimes have an issue with seeing beyond their own life and times. 

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2 minutes ago, Len Cnut said:

Exactly, as a lot of other people wouldn't but they get decontextualized and put through the ringer because people sometimes have an issue with seeing beyond their own life and times. 

Churchill thought racialist philosophies such as Nazism were abhorrent and of course it is his opposition to Nazism that is his greatest achievement - it is that age he should be judged by, the age of Hitler - but advocated a sort of paternal imperialism which I'm sure would be considered racist by today's politically correct age. He was deeply opposed to antisemitism.

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1 hour ago, Len Cnut said:

There's nowt wrong with t'Morning Star, I say there's nowt wrong with t'Morning Star lass.

EDIT: I'm sick to death of hearing about racism.  Yes its a worthy cause etc but I'm just fuckin' tired of it, I couldn't care less if a persons a racist or an institutions racist.  The latter is probably more important in terms of tackling but honestly, its just tiresome, a man could waste a life working this bollocks out.  As long as I ain't being pelted in the street I don't give a shit.

I can't shake the impression that those "fighting" against racism just want to make themselves interesting. As in, see, I'm fighting racism so I'm a nice person, and this can not be disputed.

It's like cheating in life. In life, you have to earn respect. Playing the racist card is like you have found some cheat code in a game: using the code gives you infinite continues or something.

I wonder how these people actually cope in real life...

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1 hour ago, Len Cnut said:

 

You two are probably good test subjects actually cuz you're not right wing nutters, aren't yous also sick of fuckin' hearing about it?  I mean take you for example Soulie, say I think I've got some massive problem with Norwegians and you were a minority in the country we lived in, would you really give a fuck?  First of all, to me, racism, on an inter-personal level, its an impossible condition to diagnose.  How do you ever know someones a racist, really and truly?  I mean someone might read this forum and conclude that you or me or Dazey or Dies' was a racist.  Its like...a feeling inside you, its what your thinking...and how do you ever know what a persons really thinking?  I mean I could say umpteen racist things all day long and not mean a word, or I could be all right on and politically correct and say all the right things but deep down hate fuckin' blacks or whites or whatevers.  You just don't know.  Institutionally its a seperate thing, if people aren't getting oppertunities or whatever, if we're at fuckin' Warsaw ghettos and stars of david in the streets level obviously thats a massive problem but like this other shit...it just seems like such a fools errand.

And then like, say you work out someone is a racist, if there was some sort of rectal racism thermometer you could shove up someones jacksie and give you an accurate reading...OK, now what?  What, shoot em?  Bung em in the stocks, put a yellow X on their front door?  I mean this is a free society, if you wanna hate pakis or zimbabwaens or jamaicans or swedes then you're free to do so, as long as you don't go fuckin' em up in the streets or whatever.

A lot of great men in history were racist, I know thats a really hard pill to swallow for some people but its true, Wagner was a racist, Churchill was a racist, it just is what it is.  I want to live my life and occupy my mind and time with fulfilling shit, not sit around arguing over or trying to work out whether someones a bellend or not.

I'm a white kiwi, British/Greek. Generally speaking I couldn't care less if some moron was racist toward me - so long as I wasn't impeded or disadvantaged in any way, I'd possibly be amused by it and/or pity them. What astounds me about racism isn't just how obviously hateful and damaging it is but how boring it is "I think we should talk more, a lot more actually, about how much I hate their skin tone and hair etc. Makes me mad!" Like holy fuck shut the fuck up give it a rest. It's surreal people still think this way.

That being said I'm not racist 'but' in parts of Africa I don't remember where they mutilate female genitalia. They snip their clits off. Which is so vile and disgusting and vicious and cruel just the thought of it is enough to make me wince and almost dry-heave. I think it's abhorrent and unacceptable. When I heard about it I wept and have ever since thought their culture is backwards trash for savages who need to be reeducated. Does that make me racist?

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33 minutes ago, Oldest Goat said:

I'm a white kiwi, British/Greek. Generally speaking I couldn't care less if some moron was racist toward me - so long as I wasn't impeded or disadvantaged in any way, I'd possibly be amused by it and/or pity them. What astounds me about racism isn't just how obviously hateful and damaging it is but how boring it is "I think we should talk more, a lot more actually, about how much I hate their skin tone and hair etc. Makes me mad!" Like holy fuck shut the fuck up give it a rest. It's surreal people still think this way.

That being said I'm not racist 'but' in parts of Africa I don't remember where they mutilate female genitalia. They snip their clits off. Which is so vile and disgusting and vicious and cruel just the thought of it is enough to make me wince and almost dry-heave. I think it's abhorrent and unacceptable. When I heard about it I wept and have ever since thought their culture is backwards trash for savages who need to be reeducated. Does that make me racist?

Prejudice is something you feel in your heart, no one can tell you if you're racist, you have to do that.  How different is it than circumcision though, which is prevalent in England, America, are our cultures backward trash for savages who need to be re-educated?  I mean circumcision, like clit mutilation, it lessens a feeling in your nob, doesn't it?  The religious like...notion that it comes from, if I'm not mistaken, is the idea that recreational sex is sinful, much the same as female genital mutilation.  Though I have heard there are medical benefits of circumcision I'm not exactly sure about the validity of them.

Even outside of religion though, so I hear, its kinda standard practise or approaching standard practise in America. 

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19 minutes ago, Oldest Goat said:

I'm a white kiwi, British/Greek. Generally speaking I couldn't care less if some moron was racist toward me - so long as I wasn't impeded or disadvantaged in any way, I'd possibly be amused by it and/or pity them. What astounds me about racism isn't just how obviously hateful and damaging it is but how boring it is "I think we should talk more, a lot more actually, about how much I hate their skin tone and hair etc. Makes me mad!" Like holy fuck shut the fuck up give it a rest. It's surreal people still think this way.

That being said I'm not racist 'but' in parts of Africa I don't remember where they mutilate female genitalia. They snip their clits off. Which is so vile and disgusting and vicious and cruel just the thought of it is enough to make me wince and almost dry-heave. I think it's abhorrent and unacceptable. When I heard about it I wept and have ever since thought their culture is backwards trash for savages who need to be reeducated. Does that make me racist?

No, it doesn't. There are an estimated 17,000 circumcized women and girls in Belgium, through immigration. It's illegal, but very hard to do anything against. Because of course it happens at home. And girls won't file a complaint against their mothers. There's a politician here who was mutilated as a little girl and still struggles with it, obviously. I think in France, there's a doctor who tries to 'repair' the damage. Needless to say, that isn't a nice thing to have done either. She was thinking about bringing her mother to the doctor, so she could witness what she has to go through to repair the damage done to her all those years ago. I read this woman's account of how she got mutilated and it's absolutely heartbreaking. As a mother of a girl myself, I cannot imagine bringing my 5 year old daughter to a woman with a scrap of metal and just have her mutilate my child. I think I'd rather die myself.

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11 minutes ago, Len Cnut said:

Prejudice is something you feel in your heart, no one can tell you if you're racist, you have to do that.  How different is it than circumcision though, which is prevalent in England, America, are our cultures backward trash for savages who need to be re-educated?  I mean circumcision, like clit mutilation, it lessens a feeling in your nob, doesn't it?  The religious like...notion that it comes from, if I'm not mistaken, is the idea that recreational sex is sinful, much the same as female genital mutilation.  Though I have heard there are medical benefits of circumcision I'm not exactly sure about the validity of them.

Even outside of religion though, so I hear, its kinda standard practise or approaching standard practise in America. 

Circumcision is wrong too, but it's far less mutilation than what they do to girls.

Now I'm just waiting for Dazey to post the pic of the rabbi biting the foreskin of that baby. Must have been one of my first forum traumas.

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Yeah, many people snip the tip over here. "So it looks like Dads" is the most common reason I hear. Come to think of it, I hate varks. Am I a varkist? Anti-Varker?? But I like y'all so how can I be a varkist?

Down with varks! Down with varks!

And thats how easy it is to form a hateful ideology, now we just need a flag:

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3 hours ago, Len Cnut said:

You two are probably good test subjects actually cuz you're not right wing nutters, aren't yous also sick of fuckin' hearing about it?  I mean take you for example Soulie, say I think I've got some massive problem with Norwegians and you were a minority in the country we lived in, would you really give a fuck? 

Yes, I am sure I would give a fuck. I hope and suspect I would. Accepting being the victim of racism and not fighting back seems very odd to me.

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33 minutes ago, SoulMonster said:

Yes, I am sure I would give a fuck. I hope and suspect I would. Accepting being the victim of racism and not fighting back seems very odd to me.

Disagreeable Norwegian slag :lol:  Maybe I'm just weird or something.

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28 minutes ago, SoulMonster said:

Yes, I am sure I would give a fuck. I hope and suspect I would. Accepting being the victim of racism and not fighting back seems very odd to me.

Good point.

@Len Cnut I've changed my mind you god forsaken lispy bigot! *breaks chair over you*

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1 hour ago, Len Cnut said:

Disagreeable Norwegian slag :lol:  Maybe I'm just weird or something.

Nah, you are probably just so used to being discriminated against that it is a self-preservation thing. It would be like fighting windmills. After all you are a lisping swarthy lamppost of an Arsenal supporter.

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1 hour ago, SoulMonster said:

Nah, you are probably just so used to being discriminated against that it is a self-preservation thing. It would be like fighting windmills. After all you are a lisping swarthy lamppost of an Arsenal supporter.

:lol:

You should write self help books man, thats done me the power of good :lol:  I don’t think I’m discriminated against.

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8 hours ago, Gracii Guns said:

Any sources you want to cite here? 

From an American perspective, British Liberal media could be anything from the Telegraph to the Morning Star. :lol:

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/media/press/the-sun-and-daily-mail-fuelling-prejudice-racist-violence-hate-crime-speech-uk-ecri-report-a7351856.html

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/39601728

https://www.trtworld.com/europe/meghan-markle-headlines-in-uk-tabloids-a-lesson-in-british-racism-17669

In recent times just a few examples 

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Wow a lot of this thread is giving me a headache. I can understand that no culture or belief should be exempt from criticism (the example of Female Genital Mutilation is a very powerful one) but if the basic concept of multiculturalism, of people from different places and backgrounds aiming to coexist peacefully and respectfully is what's drawing your ire in today's world, you probably need to readjust your priorities.

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@AtariLegend the TRT world article rehashes The Mail verbatim. Hardly lefty Liberal, is it?

I don't disagree that white privileged people are badly informed when writing about a subject which is as sensitive as race. I'm glad that this is being called out.

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