STAR WARS: Convoluted Cash- Cow Disney Adventure Series That Will Never End Thread

[Iron MikeyJ]

1 hour ago, Jw224 said:

"Let me fix your opinion for you" 

You are more salty than crait my friend, people enjoy the sequel trilogy. 

Lmao

I am salty, salty that I had faith that Disney buying SW was a good thing. I'm salty that I thought the sequel trilogy would be any good. But I'm NOT salty about people enjoying the sequel trilogy. Honestly, I pity those people. I pity that they have deluded themselves into thinking these are actually good films. I'm old enough to remember a time when 4, 5, and 6 was ALL that existed. I saw TPM on day one, and I tried to talk myself into thinking it was "good." But I knew deep down inside something was "off" about it. I did the same thing for AOTC, tried to convince myself it was a good film, despite its many flaws. Then ROTS came out, and it was actually pretty decent. Still filled with problems, but at least it "felt" like SW after 2 films that didnt. 

After all the dust settled, I could finally be honest with myself and admit that the prequels were average at best. They were NOT the OT, but they still at least fit into the overall universe well (very few, if any plot holes). 

Then came the Disney Wars films... The first one was pretty decent. I was actually on board with it all, despite the fact that it basically rehashed previous movies. It at least set the stage for an interesting story going forward. Then came TLJ... There isnt a single redeeming quality about that film, I'm sorry. I understand some of you really defend it, and are entitied to that opinion. Having said that, having an opinion doesnt make it a good one or one worth sharing. I honestly feel bad for you, your film understanding must be so poor for you to think that's actually a good movie. I'm not saying that to be condescending, or mean, or anything of the sort. I'm saying it because I pity you. You must of missed out on some really quality films over the years. Either that or you are just blind to SW, and will accept any piece of garbage they throw your way. 

Which given the forum here (guns n Roses) I find it ironic that some or you wont accept certain things from guns anymore (lack of music, endless tours, no full reunion, etc). But you'll gloss over the NUgnr of SW films (Disney Wars), and even defend it. Rey=DJ Ashba of SW, there I said it.

Edited December 16, 2019 by Iron MikeyJ

[downzy]

I'd be careful with telling anyone you're going to "fix" their opinion, especially when it comes to art.

[RussTCB]

I strongly disliked TLJ but I cannot see being against all 3 movies just because I didn't like one (so far) of them. 

[downzy]

10 minutes ago, Iron MikeyJ said:

But I'm NOT salty about people enjoying the sequel trilogy. Honestly, I pity those people. I pity that they have deluded themselves into thinking these are actually good films.

You pity people who don't share the same opinion as you about a film franchise about space ships, lightsabers, and ewoks? 

Perhaps not everyone likes what you like and delusions have nothing to do with it.  

[Dazey]

2 minutes ago, downzy said:

You pity people who don't share the same opinion as you about a film franchise about space ships, lightsabers, and ewoks? 

See also, PC Gaming, Sony and Catholicism.  

[downzy]

12 minutes ago, Iron MikeyJ said:

Then ROTS came out, and it was actually pretty decent

See, I think this was actually the worst of the prequels.  It was the film that showed the actual transformation of Anakin to Darth Vader and it was terrible.  At least the previous two films were largely inconsequential to the greater narrative or storyline.  This was the film that was to setup the original trilogy and it did not stick the landing.  Terrible acting, dialogue, special effects (just like the first two), with the added shit of having a nonsensical "I have the high-ground" justification for how Anakin became part machine.  And nothing will erase Vader's "no" from my subconscious.  

So am I justified into thinking you're deluded for liking this film?  

Just now, Dazey said:

See also, PC Gaming, Sony and Catholicism.  

I guess looking down on others for having a difference in opinion is one way to get through life.  

[Dazey]

1 minute ago, downzy said:

I guess looking down on others for having a difference in opinion is one way to get through life.  

I repeat, Catholicism.  

[Iron MikeyJ]

42 minutes ago, downzy said:

I'd be careful with telling anyone you're going to "fix" their opinion, especially when it comes to art.

I'm not telling anyone to "fix" their opinions, I'm just saying I strongly disagree with them.

No different than when people on here argue back and forth about Adler, Izzy, Sorum, etc. 

Edited December 16, 2019 by Iron MikeyJ

[Iron MikeyJ]

40 minutes ago, RussTCB said:

I strongly disliked TLJ but I cannot see being against all 3 movies just because I didn't like one (so far) of them. 

It just caused SO MUCH damage to the franchise. I just dont see anyway to undo the damage it caused.

31 minutes ago, Dazey said:

I repeat, Catholicism.  

Why do you always go there man? It doesnt have anything to do with this conversation.

[Iron MikeyJ]

34 minutes ago, downzy said:

See, I think this was actually the worst of the prequels.  It was the film that showed the actual transformation of Anakin to Darth Vader and it was terrible.  At least the previous two films were largely inconsequential to the greater narrative or storyline.  This was the film that was to setup the original trilogy and it did not stick the landing.  Terrible acting, dialogue, special effects (just like the first two), with the added shit of having a nonsensical "I have the high-ground" justification for how Anakin became part machine.  And nothing will erase Vader's "no" from my subconscious.  

So am I justified into thinking you're deluded for liking this film?  

No, I can actually respect that opinion. To MANY people its OT or nothing. While I dont agree, I can accept it. I'm just of the opinion that it's the Lucas films ir nothing, but I can't accept the Disney Wars films, just like OT people cant accept anything other than those. 

[ZoSoRose]

2 hours ago, rocknroll41 said:

Slash is gonna be at the red carpet premiere of the movie tonight!

That's awesome

[DieselDaisy]

The only reason I elevate The Phantom Menace above the other two prequels (and the two sequels we currently have) is because of one light-saber sequence . It is by such fine margins we define such appalling films. But III, most people's pick for ''best prequel'', is utterly appalling. From General Grievious with about 5 million light-sabers to that ''nooo'' moment, it never relents in its awfulness. 

Edited December 16, 2019 by DieselDaisy

[ZoSoRose]

1 hour ago, Iron MikeyJ said:

 But I'm NOT salty about people enjoying the sequel trilogy. Honestly, I pity those people. I pity that they have deluded themselves into thinking these are actually good films.

That is so dumb and condescending

[Jw224]

12 minutes ago, Iron MikeyJ said:

It just caused SO MUCH damage to the franchise. I just dont see anyway to undo the damage it caused.

Why do you always go there man? It doesnt have anything to do with this conversation.

It really didn't, if you didn't like the film that's fine, but you really are over reacting. It wasn't a bad film, you just didn't like some choices it made, which (whilst I don't necessarily agree with the reasons most fans give for disliking TLJ and feel a lot of them are just misunderstanding the movie) is your right. Even I have some gripes with the film and I thought it was great, but let's not pretend everyone or even most people feel that way.

[rocknroll41]

7 minutes ago, DieselDaisy said:

The only reason I elevate The Phantom Menace above the other two prequels (and the two sequels we currently have) is because of one light-saber sequence . It is by such fine margins we define such appalling films. But III, most people's pick for ''best prequel'', is utterly appalling. From General Grievious with about 5 million light-sabers to that ''nooo'' moment, it never relents in its awfulness. 

Sometimes I consider Phantom to be my favorite prequel cause it was the only one shot on film, and with real locations. So it actually LOOKS like a movie! Also, Maul’s design is iconic, and you can’t go wrong with Liam Neeson! Further, some of the sequences seemed rooted in interesting ideas, like the entire underwater sequence, or the pod race. They were just poorly executed, is all.

That being said, while Revenge does have some awful stuff in it (Portman’s acting being the worst of them all), it at least tells an important story in the starwars mythos, whereas Phantom is just kinda going thru the motions (aside of Anakin meeting Kenobi).

[Jw224]

3 minutes ago, ZoSoRose said:

That is so dumb and condescending

There is a large vocal minority of the fanbase that act like this, it is why a lot of people don't want to work on star wars anymore. Too scared of the backlash and negativity they will receive no matter what they do. 

[Jw224]

1 hour ago, Iron MikeyJ said:

I am salty, salty that I had faith that Disney buying SW was a good thing. I'm salty that I thought the sequel trilogy would be any good. But I'm NOT salty about people enjoying the sequel trilogy. Honestly, I pity those people. I pity that they have deluded themselves into thinking these are actually good films. I'm old enough to remember a time when 4, 5, and 6 was ALL that existed. I saw TPM on day one, and I tried to talk myself into thinking it was "good." But I knew deep down inside something was "off" about it. I did the same thing for AOTC, tried to convince myself it was a good film, despite its many flaws. Then ROTS came out, and it was actually pretty decent. Still filled with problems, but at least it "felt" like SW after 2 films that didnt. 

After all the dust settled, I could finally be honest with myself and admit that the prequels were average at best. They were NOT the OT, but they still at least fit into the overall universe well (very few, if any plot holes). 

Then came the Disney Wars films... The first one was pretty decent. I was actually on board with it all, despite the fact that it basically rehashed previous movies. It at least set the stage for an interesting story going forward. Then came TLJ... There isnt a single redeeming quality about that film, I'm sorry. I understand some of you really defend it, and are entitied to that opinion. Having said that, having an opinion doesnt make it a good one or one worth sharing. I honestly feel bad for you, your film understanding must be so poor for you to think that's actually a good movie. I'm not saying that to be condescending, or mean, or anything of the sort. I'm saying it because I pity you. You must of missed out on some really quality films over the years. Either that or you are just blind to SW, and will accept any piece of garbage they throw your way. 

Which given the forum here (guns n Roses) I find it ironic that some or you wont accept certain things from guns anymore (lack of music, endless tours, no full reunion, etc). But you'll gloss over the NUgnr of SW films (Disney Wars), and even defend it. Rey=DJ Ashba of SW, there I said it.

Lmao you lost me when you said your opinion is the right one and mine isn't worth sharing. TLJ has plenty of redeeming qualities. 

[ZoSoRose]

Just now, Jw224 said:

There is a large vocal minority of the fanbase that act like this, it is why a lot of people don't want to work on star wars anymore. Too scared of the backlash and negativity they will receive no matter what they do. 

I totally see why people don't like TLJ, so it doesn't bother me at all when people say they don't like it. It is a huge, messy, bloated film with a lot of downs. Despite that, the highs were very high for me and a lot of the story has really stuck with me over the past few years. TFA is a much cleaner and consistent movie, but I appreciate how TLJ gets weird. That being said, I understand why people dislike it.

To "pity" people for having different opinions on movies is childish and something a teenager would say

[Jw224]

This video is very good. He does a great job describing the behaviour I have seen in the SW fanbase since TFA and points out a lot of holes in their points for hating TLJ. 

 

[ZoSoRose]

1 hour ago, Iron MikeyJ said:

Having said that, having an opinion doesnt make it a good one or one worth sharing. I honestly feel bad for you, your film understanding must be so poor for you to think that's actually a good movie.

 

I missed that part

 

Yes, Mikey, I forgot about your vast film knowledge of high art like the Marvel and Godzilla cinematic Universes. I only like junk like Star Wars

[Jw224]

1 minute ago, ZoSoRose said:

I totally see why people don't like TLJ, so it doesn't bother me at all when people say they don't like it. It is a huge, messy, bloated film with a lot of downs. Despite that, the highs were very high for me and a lot of the story has really stuck with me over the past few years. TFA is a much cleaner and consistent movie, but I appreciate how TLJ gets weird. That being said, I understand why people dislike it.

To "pity" people for having different opinions on movies is childish and something a teenager would say

Yeah it doesn't bother me when people say they don't like it. I just feel like a lot of the reasons given are misunderstanding at best and purposely finding ways to hate the film at worst. It definitely has its problems. The entire casino planet scene did not need to be in the film and some of the comedy didn't really land. These are things I would agree with. 

[ZoSoRose]

Just now, Jw224 said:

Yeah it doesn't bother me when people say they don't like it. I just feel like a lot of the reasons given are misunderstanding at best and purposely finding ways to hate the film at worst. It definitely has its problems. The entire casino planet scene did not need to be in the film and some of the comedy didn't really land. These are things I would agree with. 

Yeah, Finn and Rose's story is my biggest complaint with the film. Their story brought the movie down and was a disservice to their characters. Finn had really good chemistry with Rey so I hope they are together more in the new movie

[RussTCB]

25 minutes ago, ZoSoRose said:

Yeah, Finn and Rose's story is my biggest complaint with the film. Their story brought the movie down and was a disservice to their characters. Finn had really good chemistry with Rey so I hope they are together more in the new movie

I had 4 complaints overall but Rose & Finn was one of them. 

My complaints as a whole were:

It ended meaning nothing that we wasted so much time on them going to the casino planet. 

Flying Leia 

Rose / Finn supposedly being in love after spending roughly 16 1/2 minutes together 

And my biggest complaint with that around an hour of the movie was wasted right in the middle by a completely unnecessary slow speed chase

[ZoSoRose]

Just now, RussTCB said:

I had 4 complaints overall but Rose & Finn was one of them. 

My complaints as a whole were:

It ended meaning nothing that we wasted so much time on them going to the casino planet. 

Flying Leia 

Rose / Finn supposedly being in love after spending roughly 16 1/2 minutes together 

And my biggest complaint with that around an hour of the movie was wasted right in the middle by a completely unnecessary slow speed chase

Those are all valid complaints and I totally understand and agree with pretty much all of them

Leia saving herself with the force was a great idea but it looked really silly on screen. If they just had her floating in the hanger and then flying a couple of fleet back to the door, it would have worked way better imo

 

[Jw224]

1 hour ago, RussTCB said:

I had 4 complaints overall but Rose & Finn was one of them. 

My complaints as a whole were:

It ended meaning nothing that we wasted so much time on them going to the casino planet. 

Flying Leia 

Rose / Finn supposedly being in love after spending roughly 16 1/2 minutes together 

And my biggest complaint with that around an hour of the movie was wasted right in the middle by a completely unnecessary slow speed chase

Yeah the casino part was a drag tbh. I could have done without that part being in the film. I thought the flying Leia part was really pretty but I can totally understand why fans thought it was really strange and out of place. The way she floats could have been executed to look less strange overall. As ZoSoRose I think the idea was fine but the execution could have been better. I honestly interpreted the Rose kissing Finn thing as her kissing him and him being surprised as to why she did it, maybe it wasn't intended that way but Finn's face definitely conveys that to me. The speed chase complaint is valid even though it didn't personally bother me when I watched it. I'll need to re watch it soon. 

Edited December 17, 2019 by Jw224