Randy Lahey Posted March 15, 2013 Share Posted March 15, 2013 (edited) Some Additional Guns N’ Roses Comments from Alan NivenAlan Niven followed up with Dropping The Needle with some additional comments (don’t shoot the messenger, lol).I have been made aware of some of the comments made on various GnR sites. Some are clearly of a prejudiced nature, and there are many who don’t seem to actually listen to what was actually said … but such is the nature of forums.The one comment I would respond to is the statement that there were obviously no meaningful [heart to heart] conversations between Axl and myself, or him and the others for that matter. That could not be further from the truth;There were countless such conversations and phone calls -one of the last ones I had with Axl, I was trying to explain to him the dynamic he was engendering – that he tended to intimidate people … that his method made people defensive and alienated, that he came off like a bit of a dick - even if that was not his intent and purpose … and I suggested he think thru how he talked to people … and for him to consider how fearful people were of him …. whether that was his fault or not – I tried to empower his communication skills by illuminating his understanding – the very next call I had from him, was his call to say he wouldn’t work with me anymore … so maybe that was his intent after all.When Izzy travelled to LA to try to talk Axl into attending the Hall Of Fame event, Axl failed to show for the pre-arranged meeting. Les plus sont changes les moins sont changes.This is the comment that Alan responded to: http://www.mygnrforum.com/index.php?/topic/197573-dropping-the-needle-alan-niven-talks-gnr/?p=3370764 Edited March 15, 2013 by Randy Lahey Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Glow Inc. Posted March 15, 2013 Share Posted March 15, 2013 "Les plus sont changes les moins sont changes"I'm french and that doesn't mean anything at all lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Facekicker Posted March 15, 2013 Share Posted March 15, 2013 Izzy traveled to LA and Axl didn't have the courtesy to show up to a pre-arranged meeting? What a cock. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randy Lahey Posted March 15, 2013 Author Share Posted March 15, 2013 The HOF was a lose-lose situation for Axl. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kapitch_77 Posted March 15, 2013 Share Posted March 15, 2013 "Les plus sont changes les moins sont changes"I'm french and that doesn't mean anything at all lolMaybe he meant "Plus ça change plus c'est pareil".. I wonder if Alan reads this forum. Marc Carter has his section, Alan could have his section too, that would be interesting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dariablue Posted March 15, 2013 Share Posted March 15, 2013 Pretty cool that he responded to that comment though. It seems Axl is a difficult person to communicate with and to give any kind of criticism to. Makes it hard to work out issues."Les plus sont changes les moins sont changes"I'm french and that doesn't mean anything at all lolThanks, I was wondering wtf that meant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
riot Posted March 15, 2013 Share Posted March 15, 2013 "Les plus sont changes les moins sont changes"I'm french and that doesn't mean anything at all lolil devait vouloir dire plus ca change plus c'est pareil, mais bon, google translation... haha Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
liers Posted March 16, 2013 Share Posted March 16, 2013 Les plus sont changes les moins sont changesTranslation according to Google translate: Most are changed are changed less Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
feconroses Posted March 16, 2013 Share Posted March 16, 2013 When Izzy travelled to LA to try to talk Axl into attending the Hall Of Fame event, Axl failed to show for the pre-arranged meeting. Les plus sont changes les moins sont changesDidnt know this. Shows that Izzy cared about HOF and finally didn´t went to not create any more drama.It sucks...imagine if Axl just showed up, and talked to Izzy...maybe things would have been different.Axl should grow some balls and stop escaping of situations that are not 100% comfortable, but are needed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amir Posted March 16, 2013 Share Posted March 16, 2013 News about Izzy/RRHOF is surprising, and makes the fact hat he played with Axl throughout 2012 interesting.Tempted by money? Or just glad to have his old friend from Lafayette back in his life? Who knows. But it's surprising he cared enough about RRHOF to go to LA to convince Axl to turn up.That photo of Axl and Izzy with Sasha in that club says a lot about the power dynamic in their relationship. Which is prob how Axl wants it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dariablue Posted March 16, 2013 Share Posted March 16, 2013 That photo of Axl and Izzy with Sasha in that club says a lot about the power dynamic in their relationship. Which is prob how Axl wants it.What photo? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dalsh327 Posted March 16, 2013 Share Posted March 16, 2013 (edited) Too bad he didn't say why Izzy didn't go. Thing I'm curious about is why Izzy never does live shows except with GNR, or if he's been making a living under an assumed name or as Jeff. Edited March 16, 2013 by dalsh327 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
powerwave Posted March 16, 2013 Share Posted March 16, 2013 Too bad he didn't say why Izzy didn't go.Izzy didn't go because Axl would put him on the enemy list and never let him play with GNR again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amir Posted March 16, 2013 Share Posted March 16, 2013 That photo of Axl and Izzy with Sasha in that club says a lot about the power dynamic in their relationship. Which is prob how Axl wants it. What photo?This one (can't find a better quality version right now):http://t1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQwLA26pOoc9G_CXD5Ss3SwG-sapRwVD9Di2aSa4izzDyGOxkZM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Axl_morris Posted March 16, 2013 Share Posted March 16, 2013 (edited) There could have been numerous reasons, which were completely harmless why axl never met with izzy, perhaps izzy was made aware before he turned up wherever it was? I'm sure if Axl let izzy down, then Axl would have made up for it some how. I know I'm pro axl but it couldn't have offended izzy that badly for him to still play in europe and vages with the band after this event.That photo of Axl and Izzy with Sasha in that club says a lot about the power dynamic in their relationship. Which is prob how Axl wants it. What photo?This one (can't find a better quality version right now):http://t1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQwLA26pOoc9G_CXD5Ss3SwG-sapRwVD9Di2aSa4izzDyGOxkZMI always thought that was the clipper/boat that he travelled to and from the show? I could be wrong though. Edited March 16, 2013 by Axl_morris Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saber_ Posted March 16, 2013 Share Posted March 16, 2013 Randy, no offense, but you need to learn how to use "quotes." That's not me being a grammar nazi, it's just since you didn't provide any sort of link, it's not clear what is your editorial additions (the square brackets with 'heart to heart' in them?) and what's not. Just sayin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drtydane Posted March 16, 2013 Share Posted March 16, 2013 Beta threw the invitation to the meeting in the trash before axl knew about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nosaj Thing Posted March 16, 2013 Share Posted March 16, 2013 When Izzy travelled to LA to try to talk Axl into attending the Hall Of Fame event, Axl failed to show for the pre-arranged meeting. Les plus sont changes les moins sont changes.Goddamn. Oh, and thanks Randy for this! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZoSoRose Posted March 16, 2013 Share Posted March 16, 2013 Wow Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randy Lahey Posted March 16, 2013 Author Share Posted March 16, 2013 (edited) You can find the comments at droppingtheneedle.com. And the only thing I did was bold the heart to heart comment.Randy, no offense, but you need to learn how to use "quotes." That's not me being a grammar nazi, it's just since you didn't provide any sort of link, it's not clear what is your editorial additions (the square brackets with 'heart to heart' in them?) and what's not. Just sayin. Edited March 16, 2013 by Randy Lahey Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saber_ Posted March 16, 2013 Share Posted March 16, 2013 Hmmm.. the admins hinted someone formerly involved with the band might start posting here (they seemed to indicate a former member, but I can't remember exactly what Subs said, it's in Support for anyone who wants to dig it up, not that old). I wonder though... if the special guest might be Alan Niven?! Randy, you're a legend. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jman2000 Posted March 16, 2013 Share Posted March 16, 2013 Wow, I'm really surprised Axl n Izzy were actually gonna go. Sucks that Axl decided not to follow through, along with Izzy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coma16 Posted March 16, 2013 Share Posted March 16, 2013 When Izzy travelled to LA to try to talk Axl into attending the Hall Of Fame event, Axl failed to show for the pre-arranged meeting. Les plus sont changes les moins sont changes.Goddamn. Oh, and thanks Randy for this!Izzy couldn't have been that upset considering he played with the band multiple times after the rrhof. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iftheworld Posted March 16, 2013 Share Posted March 16, 2013 (edited) I'm sorry Alan but at this point it's he said she said. This type of information does nothing for either parties at this point. You're about twenty years too late. Do you think maybe the reason he was so intimidating and defensive was the fact that he had two alcoholics, a heroine junkie, and a shy rhythm guitar player that could split at any second threatening to tear down what he was trying to do? I would protect myself and my livelyhood as well. Let me ask you this. How many phonecalls did you make to Slash asking him to stop drinking and actually take it seriously? The man practically died infront of an elevator in a hotel. Do you not think this alienating as well? There are two sides to every coin. Try having a heart to heart with everyone before dumping the load on one man. Edited March 16, 2013 by iftheworld Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kapitch_77 Posted March 16, 2013 Share Posted March 16, 2013 I'm sorry Alan but at this point it's he said she said. This type of information does nothing for either parties at this point. You're about twenty years too late. Do you think maybe the reason he was so intimidating and defensive was the fact that he had two alcoholics, a heroine junkie, and a shy rhythm guitar player that could split at any second threatening to tear down what he was trying to do? I would protect myself and my livelyhood as well. Let me ask you this. How many phonecalls did you make to Slash asking him to stop drinking and actually take it seriously? The man practically died infront of an elevator in a hotel. Do you not think this alienating as well? There are two sides to every coin. Try having a heart to heart with everyone before dumping the load on one man.Please, you don't know Alan, neither Slash or Axl and you weren't there... Stop defending Axl at all cost for a moment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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