Slash's lies (no one really knows for sure though)

[Coma16]

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"Todd, all of twenty-one years old, died in my arms," said Slash, of Guns N' Roses.

Throughout his recently published biography, Slash describes Todd Crew, of Jetboy fame, as his drug addicted best friend--the best friend he fervently tried to protect, but in the end, could not keep away from the thrill of the rock star lifestyle.

Slash paints a picture of Todd as a pushy dope fiend, dragging him through the streets of New York to score heroin and other drugs. He explains that the day of Todd's death he had tried to thwart his drug use but was "overruled."He claims that, while later that night he did inject Todd with heroin, he only did so because he could "tell it wasn't strong at all" -- performing the injection with the intent of regulating how much heroin Todd was given.

Slash further goes on to say that Todd must have been shot up later by a fellow party go-er because "what I gave him wasn't strong enough to cause what happened."

However, Todd's former band mates and the members of a recently reunited Jetboy believe something entirely different happened that night.

I sat down with Jetboy who were close friends of Todd Crew, to get the band's opinion on the death of Todd, and the comments made by Slash about the rock band Jetboy.

Marion Pierson: In Slash's' biography he says he stayed with Todd while everyone left, and that "he died in his arms". I understand you were told different information?

Jetboy: Absolutely...Slash is a liar and he knows it. The few people that were there that night knows what really happened and that Slash is 100% full of shit. Todd OD'd twice that night, we were told. The first time Slash didn't even bother calling 911. After they revived him for a minute, everyone freaked out, being high on dope; and left (Slash included).

When they came back, Todd was dead. That's when Slash finally called 911 -- when it was too late. It's a perfect alibi: "I wasn't here. When I got back Todd was dead."

Slash only cared about saving his own ass from criminal charges; which is exactly what happened. Slash walked away with no repercussions.

MP: So you're saying that Slash killed Todd?

Jetboy: Todd was killing himself, but Slash definitely aided him in his demise. Just read what he wrote In his book. This is what we believe happened.

Todd, on arrival, was "fucking drunk," according to Slash, at his hotel at 7am. Todd had just broken up with his long time girl friend and was distraught.

Slash took him to a Western Union so he could get money to buy heroin.

Slash bought a bottle of Jim Beam (Todd's choice of booze), after Todd can't even stand up straight, and as he was falling down, drunk .

Slash shot Todd up with heroin after Todd was, according to Slash in his book, "in no state to be messing with drugs."

Slash and Todd went to the movies, where Slash smuggled in a case of beer; and where they continued to drink excessively.

Slash and Todd go back to the hotel where Slash proceeded to shoot Todd up with more heroin (Todd had been drinking for 18 hours straight).

Todd OD'd the first time, and Slash revived Todd temporarily; but Slash then panicked and left instead of calling 911.

Slash comes back to the hotel room, finds that Todd has overdosed again; and finally called 911, after it was too late. Now Slash has the perfect alibi "I wasn't here when it happened."

Jetboy: Slash claims in his book that he was the "only one who did everything possible to keep Todd alive" Well, If your doing everything you can to keep someone alive" the last thing you do is shoot them up with heroin especially if you know that they have been drinking for 18 hours straight. You don't have to be Dr. Drew to know that the combination of heroin with that level of alcohol is going to be bad news.

Slash even said Todd "was in no state to be messing with drugs," but yet Slash shot him up with heroin; and then abandoned him, when he overdosed; instead of calling 911, like he should have. We can't think of a more selfish act. Slash didn't care about anything but saving himself from criminal charges. Don't forget that Slash has a proven track record of freaking out in these types of the situations and not taking responsibility.

If you read the Heroin Diaries by Nikki Sixx, you will see that Slash freaks out and panics when Nikki Sixx OD' d, and did nothing to help. He was even screaming Todd's name while it happened. Bottom line: Slash is a coward, and it bothers us that Slash walked away with no repercussions; after enabling and providing drugs and alcohol to someone as he said was "in no state to be messing with drugs."

Slash knows the truth and he will have to live with the choices he made and the lies he told and is still telling to this day. He lied to us, he lied to the police, he lied to Todd's friends and family, and he lied to his fans in his book.

We think that Slash is in such denial that he probably believes his own "BS" because he has been telling these lies for so long. And to think he calls Todd all through his book, "my best friend'? That is more Bull Shit.

MP: I'm sure you've checked out Slash's' biography. Were you surprised when he labeled you guys "poseurs"?

Jetboy: "That's like the whole irony of everything when he says 'they [Jetboy] weren't as transparent' which is what I believe he says, because we had a singer with a 'Mohawk' the first thing that comes to mind is, 'Fuck you.'

That's not how it was back then and if you did feel that way then why did you do shows with us, and have both bands hang all the time. At the time, we backed each other up --the two bands were very close. The reason he said that in the book is because he wanted to put us down. It's what Slash has done ever since, because of the situation that happened with Todd; starting when Jetboy fired Todd, up to his passing away, which was six months after he was let go from Jetboy.

Jetboy 2008
Jetboy in 2008
MP: Slash says in his book that you [Jetboy] kicked Todd out of the band, and replaced him with Sam Yaffa from Hanoi Rocks with little or nor discussion. Why was Todd kicked out of the band?

Jetboy: We did fire Todd from the band. It was the choice we made after many talks with him over his alcohol abuse. When Todd joined the band, he was not a very big partier: wine coolers was his drink of choice.

As time went on and the band started to do well Todd's drinking got worse and ended up with a bottle of Jim Beam everyday.

Before we let Todd go, our manager at the time approached Guns N' Roses to ask if they would join us to have an intervention and get him help. Their answer was, 'he's fine, you guys just don't like to party as much?'

After our last attempt to talk with Todd, who ended up with no change, we then made the decision to let him go. Our management then contacted Sam Yaffa, and he was into the offer. Sam was in, Todd was out. This is where the feud began and it would never be the same between Guns N' Roses and Jetboy ever again.

Right after Todd had been fired from Jetboy, things got really ugly between both bands - not all of the members; it was really just three of them. When we would see each other out at clubs or shows, it was just a bad vibe. Even friends, the G 'N' R hanger-oners, would give us attitude.

It amazed us on how people just involved themselves with other people's business when they had no fucking clue what went on. And what the real fucked up part is, none of those people really knew the real Todd; the guy who was a good friend, smart, loving, caring; and who came from a very good family. All they knew was that Todd loved to party, and that's really sad.

MP: Slash also says that you stole Todd's equipment and refused to give it back. Any truth to that?

Jetboy: What happened was we had gotten an advance from Elektra records and each member bought some new gear. When Todd was fired, our manager let him take everything but the gear the label had just paid for. He got all his stuff back other than a new amp or something Second, this was not our choice, nor were we Involved in it. Our management did all this. What's funny about this part of Slash's twisted little fairy tale: in his book, maybe two years later, Guns N' Roses fired their original drummer Steven Adler for drug abuse and they had Matt Sorum already set up to replace him.

They then had Steven sign a contract which forfeited all his earnings from the day he was fired onward. We've always wondered what amount of money that added up to.

We bet it was way more than some bass gear. So again, who the fuck is this guy to judge us with something that Is none of his business ? Talk about the pot calling the kettle black! Look what his band did to his high school buddy Steven.

MP: Did Slash know Todd had a problem with heroin? Wasn't that why Todd was kicked out of the band?

Jetboy: The first thing Is, Todd did not have a problem with heroin, he had a problem with alcohol. Todd would dabble in drugs, but his choice was booze. So when they scored dope it was Slash who was the experienced one and was a dope user. He says this in his book. To think that Slash is looked up to by so many people out there is fucking disgusting.

MP: Slash talks about a Goth band being there when Todd overdosed. Do you know who that was? Anyone Famous?

Jetboy: This we don't know anything about.

MP: Slash also alludes to possibly scoring the heroin that killed Todd at Chosei Funahara's [bass player of the Plasmatics] house. Do you know anything about that? Would you blame Chosei in any way had that been the heroin that killed Todd?

Jetboy: This Is something we are not to sure enough to comment on.

MP: Did Todd parents sue Slash? If so, what happened with that?

Jetboy: I don't think so. It says In the book they had him investigated; but after Todd was fired, we had little, then no contact with Slash or Todd's parents from then on.

MP: Did you ever see a police report about this?

Jetboy: No, but it sure would be interesting to see. With how things are today, twenty years later, I'm sure many questions about Todd's death could be answered.

MP: What would you say to Slash if you saw him today?

Jetboy: Hmmm, that's a tough one for us. It would be nice to have something positive said about Todd after all these years and drug stories, at the end of all this we lost a good friend who just took things a little to far and could not handle it. As for Slash, shame on you for going down this road twenty years ago with who you considered your best friend and for all the shit you've said about Jetboy on your way to the top and back down, fuck you ! Why don't ya say it to our faces ? Again, because he is the same coward now that he was back then.



By Marion Pierson. Courtesy of indiemusicreviews.net

[AndreCC]

Oh Great... now we have the Axl right wing fans accusing Slash of murderer...

How ridiculous has this community gone to try to defend Axl from his own self destruction...

[Coma16]

Oh Great... now we have the Axl right wing fans accusing Slash of murderer...

How ridiculous has this community gone to try to defend Axl from his own self destruction...

Not sure you read the article or not but I doubt Jetboy is a right-wing Axl fan who posts on mygnrforum.

Edit: or are you refering to the author of the article? Marion Pierson. Courtesy of indiemusicreviews.net

Edited October 28, 2013 by Coma16

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*mods leave here please* main gnr section.

[CoolRanchDressing]

Does anyone now doubt that slash would have tried to murder Axl too if it weren't for beta protecting him?

Not to split hairs, but wasn't murdering Jetboy just a side project for Slash?

Edited October 28, 2013 by CoolRanchDressing

[Coma16]

Does anyone now doubt that slash would have tried to murder Axl too if it weren't for beta protecting him?

Very doubtful. I think the point of the article isn't that Slash is a murderer but rather that you can't believe everything he says (2 sides to every story) as he likes to make himself look "cool".

[CoolRanchDressing]

I think it's entirely possible Axl hired slash to kill Todd because he was afraid Jetboy would be bigger than guns one day.

[Dazey]

Newsflash! Junkie tells lies trying to cover his ass!

Move along people, nothing more to see here.

[WhazUp]

It's kinda hard to discuss this as we weren't there and apparently these interviewees weren't even there. So I can't really think of any accusation that wouldn't be arguing over a moot point in this respect.

[Rdeyahlxp]

We'll probably never know. End of story.

[EvH]

Oh, I thought it would be an interesting and well documented thread. As always, it's just opportunism as its finest from the usual Slash bashers.

[Dazey]

Oh, I thought it would be an interesting and well documented thread. As always, it's just opportunism as its finest from the usual Slash bashers.

Of course it isn't! Obviously posting unsubstantiated stories from people who weren't present at an incident from 26 years ago is totally relevant to Slash's integrity in 2013.

[Guest NGOG]

Oh Great... now we have the Axl right wing fans accusing Slash of murderer...

No - you have the former bandmates of Todd Crew accusing Slash of enabling an OD.

[volcano62]

Sick

[Facekicker]

It is all speculation. But people sure love to post that story on this forum for some reason.

[Coma16]

It is all speculation. But people sure love to post that story on this forum for some reason.

It's definitely all speculation - but it is a discussion forum after all .

I posted this as I wasn't aware it was already posted. Mods: feel free to merge into the existing thread.

[wfuckinga]

Of course he's a liar, we all know that

Sick

That's a horrid thing to do

[SoulMonster]

Todd being primarily an alcoholic and not a drug user is corroborated by Del James. Sure, he used lots of drugs, too, but in the period before his OD and death he, according to Del, hadn't used much. He was more off and off in regards to drugs, but drank heavily (which is why he was booted from Jetboy). So at the time of the OD he had no resilience towards the potency of the heroin that Slash gave him. Slash, on the other hand, was a full-blown junkie at the time.

Is Slash to blame for what happened? I am sure he could have handled things differently, both in regards to giving Todd the drugs but also in how he handled the OD. But he was strung-out, too. And it is water under the bridge.

[Guest NGOG]

For me, it's not about whether Slash could have prevented Todd's death by acting more responsibly. I'm more disturbed by Slash's subsequent narrative.

Todd was not Slash's "best friend"; he just happened to end up in his company when things were going rapidly downhill.

[trqster]

Axl has warned the world about Slash when he said: "...I consider him a cancer and better removed, avoided and the less anyone heard of him or his supporters, the better."

Moral of the story: If Todd had avoided Slash he'd probably be alive and healthy person nowadays. Shame on you Slash!

[Russel Nash]

Axl has warned the world about Slash when he said: "...I consider him a cancer and better removed, avoided and the less anyone heard of him or his supporters, the better."

Moral of the story: If Todd had avoided Slash he'd probably be alive and healthy person nowadays. Shame on you Slash!

If Todd had avoided Slash he'd probably be alive and healthy person nowadays.

I agree with this. But then again, if Slash has a dirty asshole is non of GNR D&N biz.

[Guest NGOG]

If Todd had avoided Slash he'd probably be alive and healthy person nowadays.

Now that's just crazy talk. Nobody can determine the future of an addict, that's their own destiny. Had Slash not gave Todd all those materials that night, he probably would have got them some other night.

He was clearly in self-destruct after losing his girl. The odds are he wanted the company of somebody like Slash -- not someone who would steer him back into security.

[SoulMonster]

No one knows what would have happened to Todd. He could easily have died in another drug or booze incident.

[DieselDaisy]

The moral of the story is, two junkies in a hotel room. Slash was involved a few of these near death junkie escapades with Nikki Sixx also. If we believe Axl's version of events, Adler shot up Erin. All these people are/were junkies with addled brains.

[Apollo]

Some of you people are really f*cking sick and need to seriously get a life.

This is somebody's death you are making light of in your ongoing twisted obsession of trying to make Axl look better by finding ways to insult Slash.

People making light of a subject matter like this, just to try and prove that Slash has lied in the past........disgusting.

Coma I've always thought of you as a step above that crap. But I guess I was wrong.

You people are like the kids who are obsessed with Justin Bieber and the clowns who are addicted to following the Kardashians and shows like that. Your SO obsessed with Axl Rose that you will do anything to "hate" the people he hates.

And just so nobody is confused. Having a discussion about the tragedy is one thing and perfectly reasonable, even criticizing Slash for his role in it. But making this a topic JUST to try and prove that Slash is a "liar"..............disgusting.

I get a topic closed by a Mod for using the word "nutter".........but they allow crap like this? Unreal.

Edited October 28, 2013 by Groghan