Gilby Clarke on the Reunion: "I don't think it's going to happen"

[DieselDaisy]

The Hall of Fame thing is a good example of what I mean, about creating something the closest one can get to legitimacy. Upon Stradlin not showing up, Slash could have quite easily had Myles play guitar - who was already there, singing - or drafted in David Kushner or somebody random, but he chose Gilby who was not even being inducted.

[ChineseIRS]

The Hall of Fame thing is a good example of what I mean, about creating something the closest one can get to legitimacy. Upon Stradlin not showing up, Slash could have quite easily had Myles play guitar - who was already there, singing - or drafted in David Kushner or somebody random, but he chose Gilby who was not even being inducted.

Ignoring the fact Axl would be involved in decision making and compromises for reunion tour. Not just Slash as in that case.

[Rustycage]

but he chose Gilby who was not even being inducted.

Focus on this part of your post............

Now, Axl, Slash, Duff, Izzy, Steven, Matt and Dizzy were inducted.

Focus on it again. Gilby was not inducted. Did anyone shake their finger at it?

[DieselDaisy]

but he chose Gilby who was not even being inducted.

Focus on this part of your post............

Now, Axl, Slash, Duff, Izzy, Steven, Matt and Dizzy were inducted.

Focus on it again. Gilby was not inducted. Did anyone shake their finger at it?

My argument at the time was, if you are going to induct Dizzy you should induct Gilby.

It is an academic point regardless as Fortus was not inducted.

[Rustycage]

but he chose Gilby who was not even being inducted.

Focus on this part of your post............

Now, Axl, Slash, Duff, Izzy, Steven, Matt and Dizzy were inducted.

Focus on it again. Gilby was not inducted. Did anyone shake their finger at it?

My argument at the time was, if you are going to induct Dizzy you should induct Gilby.

It is an academic point regardless as Fortus was not inducted.

And your argument then was also moot. No one cared.

Neither Gilby or Fortus were inducted. Thanks for furthering my point. Neither is important at all in a reunion and given the multiple circumstances Fortus is the most likely choice and it will be just fine.

Simple question that I'll ask you yet again!

Do you think a tour by the UYI lineup with Fortus instead of Izzy would sell less than the lineup with Gilby in place of Izzy?

[DieselDaisy]

but he chose Gilby who was not even being inducted.

Focus on this part of your post............

Now, Axl, Slash, Duff, Izzy, Steven, Matt and Dizzy were inducted.

Focus on it again. Gilby was not inducted. Did anyone shake their finger at it?

My argument at the time was, if you are going to induct Dizzy you should induct Gilby.

It is an academic point regardless as Fortus was not inducted.

And your argument then was also moot. No one cared.

Neither Gilby or Fortus were inducted. Thanks for furthering my point. Neither is important at all in a reunion and given the multiple circumstances Fortus is the most likely choice and it will be just fine.

Simple question that I'll ask you yet again!

Do you think a tour by the UYI lineup with Fortus instead of Izzy would sell less than the lineup with Gilby in place of Izzy?

Are we only concerned about sales?

But to answer your question, possibly in the sense that they could not possibly market it as a 'reunion' seeing as a Slash-Fortus line-up has never existed. I repeat, a reunion with Fortus is a misnomer. The only possible reunion which could legitimately be called an (old band) reunion would be a recreation of one of the line-ups that existed 1985-93.

Edited October 7, 2015 by DieselDaisy

[Rustycage]

but he chose Gilby who was not even being inducted.

Focus on this part of your post............

Now, Axl, Slash, Duff, Izzy, Steven, Matt and Dizzy were inducted.

Focus on it again. Gilby was not inducted. Did anyone shake their finger at it?

My argument at the time was, if you are going to induct Dizzy you should induct Gilby.

It is an academic point regardless as Fortus was not inducted.

And your argument then was also moot. No one cared.

Neither Gilby or Fortus were inducted. Thanks for furthering my point. Neither is important at all in a reunion and given the multiple circumstances Fortus is the most likely choice and it will be just fine.

Simple question that I'll ask you yet again!

Do you think a tour by the UYI lineup with Fortus instead of Izzy would sell less than the lineup with Gilby in place of Izzy?

Are we only concerned about sales?

Obviously you aren't since you're only focusing on semantics. I can guarantee that is all the label and management care about. The agreeing band members will care about what makes it go more smoothly, including Axl. The general public doesn't care.

Only a select few hardcore fans really care and they won't be boycotting either set of reunion casts regardless of the chest beating. Like I said, much ado about nothing.

But to answer your question, possibly in the sense that they could not possibly market it as a 'reunion' seeing as a Slash-Fortus line-up has never existed. I repeat, a reunion with Fortus is a misnomer. The only possible reunion which could legitimately be called an (old band) reunion would be a recreation of one of the line-ups that existed 1985-93.

'Don't Damn Me'

But your delusions are yours and not mine.

[DieselDaisy]

Yes, I've heard it before: ''nobody cares about anything but the most casual of casual general public''. Nobody cares about anything seemingly? You may as well recruit a Spice Girl or two to take over drum and rhythm duties for all the care and consideration in this reunion - so runs your argument.

One further point, answering your above question. You can not over-estimate the disdain many feel towards new gnr. All you have to do to see these people, a significant demographic, is visit Metal Sludge or the Blabbermouth replies. There you will find whole swathes of potential (reunion) ticket buyers who hold Axl's new band, the era, the line-ups, Chinese Democracy, in complete and utter contempt. Fortus's presence would be a permanent reminder of that.

[Mr. Dude]

The Hall of Fame thing is a good example of what I mean, about creating something the closest one can get to legitimacy. Upon Stradlin not showing up, Slash could have quite easily had Myles play guitar - who was already there, singing - or drafted in David Kushner or somebody random, but he chose Gilby who was not even being inducted.

In order of importance and legitimacy I'd go

1-Izzy

2-Huge

3-Fortus

4-Gilby

[DieselDaisy]

The Hall of Fame thing is a good example of what I mean, about creating something the closest one can get to legitimacy. Upon Stradlin not showing up, Slash could have quite easily had Myles play guitar - who was already there, singing - or drafted in David Kushner or somebody random, but he chose Gilby who was not even being inducted.

In order of importance and legitimacy I'd go

1-Izzy

2-Huge

3-Fortus

4-Gilby

Yes but you are on heavy drugs.

[Rustycage]

Yes, I've heard it before: ''nobody cares about anything but the most casual of casual general public''. Nobody cares about anything seemingly? You may as well recruit a Spice Girl or two to take over drum and rhythm duties for all the care and consideration in this reunion - so runs your argument.

One further point, answering your above question. You can not over-estimate the disdain many feel towards new gnr. All you have to do to see these people, a significant demographic, is visit Metal Sludge or the Blabbermouth replies. There you will find whole swathes of potential (reunion) ticket buyers who hold Axl's new band, the era, the line-ups, Chinese Democracy, in complete and utter contempt. Fortus's presence would be a permanent reminder of that.

Surely you can find the outrage over Gilby not being inducted! Oh wait..... there isn't any.

As for your point about Metal Sludge(lol seriously?) and Blabbermouth. They will be fine with whatever the group as a whole decide on. If you think they will bash a GNR reunion if Fortus is there instead of Gilby if Izzy were to refuse, you don't seem to grasp what the focus of the whole reunion is even about.

Do you think I'm a nugnr fan or something?

[Słash]

The Hall of Fame thing is a good example of what I mean, about creating something the closest one can get to legitimacy. Upon Stradlin not showing up, Slash could have quite easily had Myles play guitar - who was already there, singing - or drafted in David Kushner or somebody random, but he chose Gilby who was not even being inducted.

In order of importance and legitimacy I'd go

1-Izzy

2-Huge

3-Fortus

4-Gilby

1. Izzy

2. Gilby

3. NO ONE ELSE

[DieselDaisy]

Yes, I've heard it before: ''nobody cares about anything but the most casual of casual general public''. Nobody cares about anything seemingly? You may as well recruit a Spice Girl or two to take over drum and rhythm duties for all the care and consideration in this reunion - so runs your argument.

One further point, answering your above question. You can not over-estimate the disdain many feel towards new gnr. All you have to do to see these people, a significant demographic, is visit Metal Sludge or the Blabbermouth replies. There you will find whole swathes of potential (reunion) ticket buyers who hold Axl's new band, the era, the line-ups, Chinese Democracy, in complete and utter contempt. Fortus's presence would be a permanent reminder of that.

Surely you can find the outrage over Gilby not being inducted! Oh wait..... there isn't any.

I'm sure you can search my replies from the time in which I argued that if Dizzy is going to be abducted, Gilby should also. One or two thought similar as I recall.

As for your point about Metal Sludge(lol seriously?) and Blabbermouth. They will be fine with whatever the group as a whole decide on. If you think they will bash a GNR reunion if Fortus is there instead of Gilby if Izzy were to refuse, you don't seem to grasp what the focus of the whole reunion is even about.

Do you think I'm a nugnr fan or something?

A reunion is a reunion of a former line-up. Since we are discussing an old band reunion it presupposes that that line-up should have existed sometime 1985-1993. Seeing as Fortus did not play for Guns N' Roses 1985-93, he has no place in an old band reunion.

It is really that simple.

You cannot reunite a line-up which has never existed!

Look at The Supremes reunion which got roundly criticised for having members who had joined The Supremes after Diana Ross had left the band. The reunion struggled for legitimacy as it did not contain Mary Wilson.

[bacardimayne]

I'm sure you can search my replies from the time in which I argued that if Dizzy is going to be abducted, Gilby should also. One or two thought similar as I recall.

Dizzy played on original material, including two of GNR's three major full length studio albums.

Gilby filled in for Izzy on a tour and played on a horribly received covers album. Surely you can understand why one went in and the other didn't?

[DieselDaisy]

I'm sure you can search my replies from the time in which I argued that if Dizzy is going to be abducted, Gilby should also. One or two thought similar as I recall.

Dizzy played on original material, including two of GNR's three major full length studio albums.

Gilby filled in for Izzy on a tour and played on a horribly received covers album. Surely you can understand why one went in and the other didn't?

Dizzy does not even play on November Rain or Estranged! His entire contribution to Illusion consists of some honky tonk piano on some of the rockers.

[Mr. Dude]

Yes, I've heard it before: ''nobody cares about anything but the most casual of casual general public''. Nobody cares about anything seemingly? You may as well recruit a Spice Girl or two to take over drum and rhythm duties for all the care and consideration in this reunion - so runs your argument.

One further point, answering your above question. You can not over-estimate the disdain many feel towards new gnr. All you have to do to see these people, a significant demographic, is visit Metal Sludge or the Blabbermouth replies. There you will find whole swathes of potential (reunion) ticket buyers who hold Axl's new band, the era, the line-ups, Chinese Democracy, in complete and utter contempt. Fortus's presence would be a permanent reminder of that.

Surely you can find the outrage over Gilby not being inducted! Oh wait..... there isn't any.

I'm sure you can search my replies from the time in which I argued that if Dizzy is going to be abducted, Gilby should also. One or two thought similar as I recall.

As for your point about Metal Sludge(lol seriously?) and Blabbermouth. They will be fine with whatever the group as a whole%

[Rustycage]

Yes, I've heard it before: ''nobody cares about anything but the most casual of casual general public''. Nobody cares about anything seemingly? You may as well recruit a Spice Girl or two to take over drum and rhythm duties for all the care and consideration in this reunion - so runs your argument.

One further point, answering your above question. You can not over-estimate the disdain many feel towards new gnr. All you have to do to see these people, a significant demographic, is visit Metal Sludge or the Blabbermouth replies. There you will find whole swathes of potential (reunion) ticket buyers who hold Axl's new band, the era, the line-ups, Chinese Democracy, in complete and utter contempt. Fortus's presence would be a permanent reminder of that.

Surely you can find the outrage over Gilby not being inducted! Oh wait..... there isn't any.

I'm sure you can search my replies from the time in which I argued that if Dizzy is going to be abducted, Gilby should also. One or two thought similar as I recall.

As for your point about Metal Sludge(lol seriously?) and Blabbermouth. They will be fine with whatever the group as a whole decide on. If you think they will bash a GNR reunion if Fortus is there instead of Gilby if Izzy were to refuse, you don't seem to grasp what the focus of the whole reunion is even about.

Do you think I'm a nugnr fan or something?

A reunion is a reunion of a former line-up. Since we are discussing an old band reunion it presupposes that that line-up should have existed sometime 1985-1993. Seeing as Fortus did not play for Guns N' Roses 1985-93, he has no place in an old band reunion.

It is really that simple.

You cannot reunite a line-up which has never existed!

Look at The Supremes reunion which got roundly criticised for having members who had joined The Supremes after Diana Ross had left the band. The reunion struggled for legitimacy as it did not contain Mary Wilson.

The point about no outrage of Gilby is an example of no one caring but a few on these boards. It does not matter!

Again, you are ignoring what the true focus of the reunion is and arguing semantics that only you care about. This isn't about technicality. This is about reality and which options matter and which don't in terms of success. What will be successful and recognized as great is the reconciliation of Axl and Slash. Also, it is about weighing what is logical given all of the circumstances. With equal ground of working with Fortus and the necessity of compromise, Fortus makes the most sense for the whole.

You're delusional if you think Axl would ever completely surrender and bring back everyone he has grudges against along with a member(Gilby) that he didn't consider to be on the same level as the others and did not pursue anything with outside of a tour.

Reality and objectivity are the issues at hand. Not your definition of what you think a reunion is.

I'm sure you can search my replies from the time in which I argued that if Dizzy is going to be abducted, Gilby should also. One or two thought similar as I recall.

Dizzy played on original material, including two of GNR's three major full length studio albums.

Gilby filled in for Izzy on a tour and played on a horribly received covers album. Surely you can understand why one went in and the other didn't?

Dizzy does not even play on November Rain or Estranged! His entire contribution to Illusion consists of some honky tonk piano on some of the rockers.

So you think NR and Estranged are the only tracks with piano? lol

[Free Bird]

The Hall of Fame thing is a good example of what I mean, about creating something the closest one can get to legitimacy. Upon Stradlin not showing up, Slash could have quite easily had Myles play guitar - who was already there, singing - or drafted in David Kushner or somebody random, but he chose Gilby who was not even being inducted.

In order of importance and legitimacy I'd go

1-Izzy

2-Huge

3-Fortus

4-Gilby

Yes but you are on heavy drugs.

Best post of the topic!

Could you guys please agree that you disagree? It starts to get a little bit boring to read the same every second post.

[-W.A.R-]

Gilby/Fortus who cares

lets all hope Izzy is down

[Rustycage]

The Hall of Fame thing is a good example of what I mean, about creating something the closest one can get to legitimacy. Upon Stradlin not showing up, Slash could have quite easily had Myles play guitar - who was already there, singing - or drafted in David Kushner or somebody random, but he chose Gilby who was not even being inducted.

In order of importance and legitimacy I'd go

1-Izzy

2-Huge

3-Fortus

4-Gilby

Yes but you are on heavy drugs.

Best post of the topic!

Could you guys please agree that you disagree? It starts to get a little bit boring to read the same every second post.

I'm fine with that. I've already said that I don't care if he disagrees and that my mind isn't going to change on this. I'm not the one making it a daily mission to overstate Gilby's place in the band.

[-W.A.R-]

The Hall of Fame thing is a good example of what I mean, about creating something the closest one can get to legitimacy. Upon Stradlin not showing up, Slash could have quite easily had Myles play guitar - who was already there, singing - or drafted in David Kushner or somebody random, but he chose Gilby who was not even being inducted.

In order of importance and legitimacy I'd go

1-Izzy

2-Huge

3-Fortus

4-Gilby

Yes but you are on heavy drugs.

i think Mr Dude is saying outlandish stuff because hes getting a kick out of it

[DieselDaisy]

Yes, I've heard it before: ''nobody cares about anything but the most casual of casual general public''. Nobody cares about anything seemingly? You may as well recruit a Spice Girl or two to take over drum and rhythm duties for all the care and consideration in this reunion - so runs your argument.

One further point, answering your above question. You can not over-estimate the disdain many feel towards new gnr. All you have to do to see these people, a significant demographic, is visit Metal Sludge or the Blabbermouth replies. There you will find whole swathes of potential (reunion) ticket buyers who hold Axl's new band, the era, the line-ups, Chinese Democracy, in complete and utter contempt. Fortus's presence would be a permanent reminder of that.

Surely you can find the outrage over Gilby not being inducted! Oh wait..... there isn't any.

I'm sure you can search my replies from the time in which I argued that if Dizzy is going to be abducted, Gilby should also. One or two thought similar as I recall.

As for your point about Metal Sludge(lol seriously?) and Blabbermouth. They will be fine with whatever the group as a whole decide on. If you think they will bash a GNR reunion if Fortus is there instead of Gilby if Izzy were to refuse, you don't seem to grasp what the focus of the whole reunion is even about.

Do you think I'm a nugnr fan or something?

A reunion is a reunion of a former line-up. Since we are discussing an old band reunion it presupposes that that line-up should have existed sometime 1985-1993. Seeing as Fortus did not play for Guns N' Roses 1985-93, he has no place in an old band reunion.

It is really that simple.

You cannot reunite a line-up which has never existed!

Look at The Supremes reunion which got roundly criticised for having members who had joined The Supremes after Diana Ross had left the band. The reunion struggled for legitimacy as it did not contain Mary Wilson.

The point about no outrage of Gilby is an example of no one caring but a few on these boards. It does not matter!

Again, you are ignoring what the true focus of the reunion is and arguing semantics that only you care about. This isn't about technicality. This is about reality and which options matter and which don't in terms of success. What will be successful and recognized as great is the reconciliation of Axl and Slash. Also, it is about weighing what is logical given all of the circumstances. With equal ground of working with Fortus and the necessity of compromise, Fortus makes the most sense for the whole.

You're delusional if you think Axl would ever completely surrender and bring back everyone he has grudges against along with a member(Gilby) that he didn't consider to be on the same level as the others and did not pursue anything with outside of a tour.

Reality and objectivity are the issues at hand. Not your definition of what you think a reunion is.

I'm not even sure a reunion will ever take place. I'm merely pointing out that a reunion with Fortus is an inherent contradiction - if we are using the term 'reunion' here. For something to be reunited it has to have existed formally at some point in the past. Since there has never been a line-up featuring Slash and Fortus, it cannot very well be reunited.

[Mr. Dude]

Yes, I've heard it before: ''nobody cares about anything but the most casual of casual general public''. Nobody cares about anything seemingly? You may as well recruit a Spice Girl or two to take over drum and rhythm duties for all the care and consideration in this reunion - so runs your argument.

One further point, answering your above question. You can not over-estimate the disdain many feel towards new gnr. All you have to do to see these people, a significant demographic, is visit Metal Sludge or the Blabbermouth replies. There you will find whole swathes of potential (reunion) ticket buyers who hold Axl's new band, the era, the line-ups, Chinese Democracy, in complete and utter contempt. Fortus's presence would be a permanent reminder of that.

Surely you can find the outrage over Gilby not being inducted! Oh wait..... there isn't any.

I'm sure you can search my replies from the time in which I argued that if Dizzy is going to be abducted, Gilby should also. One or two thought similar as I recall.

As for your point about Metal Sludge(lol seriously?) and Blabbermouth. They will be fine with whatever the group as a whole decide on. If you think they will bash a GNR reunion if Fortus is there instead of Gilby if Izzy were to refuse, you don't seem to grasp what the focus of the whole reunion is even about.

Do you think I'm a nugnr fan or something?

A reunion is a reunion of a former line-up. Since we are discussing an old band reunion it presupposes that that line-up should have existed sometime 1985-1993. Seeing as Fortus did not play for Guns N' Roses 1985-93, he has no place in an old band reunion.

It is really that simple.

You cannot reunite a line-up which has never existed!

Look at The Supremes reunion which got roundly criticised for having members who had joined The Supremes after Diana Ross had left the band. The reunion struggled for legitimacy as it did not contain Mary Wilson.

That's a little strong. I don't hope they're abducted.

[WAR41]

Wait a minute guys... I just realized that there isn't a Gilby emoji on MyGNR. I am fine with Fortus now

[Rustycage]

Comparing The Supremes to GNR. You've jumped the shark.