Official: Axl will join AC/DC for stadium tour/US dates

[supercool]

4 minutes ago, DieselDaisy said:

Well he is no Bon Scott - I can tell you that now.

he's no bon scott, but he's way better than brian.

[Asia]

10 minutes ago, Lies They Tell said:

In my country the GNR reunion has been much bigger news than the ACDC thing, so that's probably one reason why I can't see what your saying. Axl's broken foot and the bus breakdown has been the major news. But I trust you that in your country the ACDC news has been bigger. Still, I'm not exactly sure what your point is. Who says that the GNR reunion hype would be ANY bigger news than it is now, if there was no AC/DC hype?

Cause in all seriousness it's not even a reunion. The worst thing that could have happened would be if the band had just made a reunion concert and that's it. Nothing else. If that had happened, there would be absolutely no hype at all, cause people wouldn't have anything to talk about. As a matter of fact the big news would probably be that Izzy and Steven weren't there. So this whole reunion would have got a negative vibe to it. Now people have other things to talk about than just the absence of Izzy and Steven.

As much as some people try to make this all sound so negative, I just can't agree. You say that your friends know about Axl joining AC/DC, but they don't know about the reunion. Well, at least they know about the AC/DC thing, so at least there's some talk about GNR. I'm sure that many people who hear about Axl joining AC/DC, will want to read more about it, and then they find out that Slash is also back in GNR. So obviously this is GNR promotion as well. Axl's stirring up controversy again just like in the old days. I see that as a good thing.

Totally disagree. The attention should be on GN'R now. Instead of touring with AC/DC Axl should either be touring with Guns or sit down and write new songs. These two things would be the right promotion for GNR. GNR does not need AC/DC to promote them. People thinking Axl is an AC/DC singer will not get more interested in his reunion with Slash. One has nothing to do with the other. Plus what kind of a reunion is that and who gives a shit about it if even Axl doesn't because he chose AC/DC?

Edited April 19, 2016 by Asia

[DieselDaisy]

Just now, supercool said:

he's no bon scott, but he's way better than brian.

I disagree.

[The Archer]

20 minutes ago, GNRfan2008 said:

GN'R has barely promoted the gigs here in North America and yet they are selling very, very well. If Axl kicks ass with AC/DC and most importantly shows up on time to shut up all the critics on that point, the hype will be enormous for GN'R the rest of the year. Axl teaming up with AC/DC is a once in a lifetime chance for him to play with his heroes AND help restore his standing in the music world, especially when it comes to showing up on time. Angus being such a strict person to work for could really help Axl in that regard.

Then next year bring in Adler and Izzy for the Appetite 30th Anniversary to build up even more good will with the public. Suddenly GN'R is set up to be one of those legacy acts that just keeps on going for many years with huge popularity (Stones, AC/DC, etc). 

I'm going to go out on a limb here and say that AC/DC has more fans than GN'R does, at least in North America. Maybe even in South America and the rest of the world. Winning even some of the naysayers and the rock fans in the media can only mean good things. If things go well, people like Kimmel will be dying to get an interview with Axl/Axl+GN'R after he returns from the AC/DC dates in Europe.

Edited April 19, 2016 by The Archer

[GNRfan2008]

1 minute ago, DieselDaisy said:

I disagree.

Axl has him beat in songwriting and vocal talent. Brian's a nicer guy. That's about it. 

[PatrickS77]

2 hours ago, Asia said:

Thank you Eddie, I wish I could give you more likes. Yes, the announcement had horrible timing. It might be confusing in the US, here in Europe (Poland in this case) it's not even confusing. Noone simply knows about the reunion, even my friends and collegues who like GN'R but are not die hard fans had no idea Axl and Slash were back together and thought I was joking not beliving me for a long time. But Axl and AC/DC are in all media outlets, even in TV news. Right now everyone knows Axl is an AC/DC singer. I don't think any frontman that really cares about his band should ever allow for a situation like that to happen.

I also agree that the risk of ruining his voice is very serious with AC/DC material, AC/DC schdule and the way their show looks. There are no possibilities for Axl to stay cautious about his voice or to spare it in any way with this material. He has plenty of chances with the GNR repertoire but none with DC's. What's more, he won't want to because it will now be an ego thing to prove to the world he can do it, knowing Axl, at any cost.

Also I don't believe the hype Axl creates with AC/DC, even if it's positive in which I doubt, will actually be of any benefit for GN'R. This will only lead to even more confusion and a lot of people being sure Axl is commited to AC/DC.

You're right, there won't be any good reunion press or member driven promotion because with Axl being away in Europe and Slash having a gag, there is noone to do it. AC/DC will have great promotion now, Guns will have none. The DC will overshadow the reunion completely.

The fact that any of the GNR dates were cancelled for this is sad from the point of view of any excited Guns N'Roses fans who waited for this chance 23 years and once it happens other things occur to be more important for Axl. It's kind of a real blow. Fuck, I thought this time it was for real, that this time Axl finally cares about GNR again the way he did back in the old days and... Nope. He doesn't. The old Axl wouldn't be rescheduling HIS BAND'S shows to join any other band! If Axl really believed in this incarnation of GNR and had high hopes regarding its future, he just wouldn't do it. Wouldn't cancel gigs, wouldn't allow for this confusion, wouldn't take chances of jeopardizing this.

All this makes you think that this is indeed a nostalgia reunion tour and nothing more. At least not at this point in time. Maybe it could change with the tour if things go right and everybody enjoys it but that AC/DC thing puts a serious threat to this anyway because, say what you will, I don't believe Slash is happy about this. The guy was very compromising, things are done exactly Axl's way and yet Axl wasn't even able to fully commit himself to this, in return. And commitment and fulfilling obligations are of major importance for Slash, mind you. Plus it was carried out in such a way that the  reunited GN'R served as a promotion for Axl's AC/DC gigs, actually Slash himself and the attention he draws through his achievements was used to promote Axl's new adventure. That is bad. At the very least, Axl should have taken all precautions not to make it seem like that. That way the massage he sends is clear - Slash has the same position in GNR as any other Ashba (former member right?). His role is limited to making Axl shine. People here were asking why Slash seems so reserved since the beginning of this. As far as I'm concerned this could just be the answer.

Yeah, AC/DC are their heroes, this might be Axl's boyhood dream but Guns has been his dream too. And he had 23 years to fulfill his dreams outside of GNR and will have even more. On the other hand it is unlikely he will ever have another chance like this to put GNR back on top. And he already undermined this reunion seriously, now if he additionally blows up his voice, it will be the end of that which hasn't even started.

I guess 23 years after the band has fallen apart the fanbase is very diversified. There are many Axl fans, not really just old GNR fans, and this people love the idea of Axl doing anything exciting regardless of it being related to GNR and Slash or not. Which is why he doesn't get bashed for it the way he should be. But anyone who thinks this will help GNR or that this won't hurt GNR in any way is simply fooling themselves big time, IMO. It already has hirt the reunited band, people. Now the question is how much worse will it get. What other Axl personal adventures will Slash be made to provide soundtrack for before he says once again - I'm done!

 

Oh. Boohooo. Seriously. None of you knows whether any dates have been cancelled. It's all speculation. And really, you don't announce stadium gigs that happen a week later. So 2 months seems about right. Most likely there was never gonna be any shows in may. And really to have the shows start in late june is a blessing, as by then he will be out of the cast and improved enough to walk around on stage again.

Edited April 19, 2016 by PatrickS77

[Asia]

Just now, The Archer said:

I'm going to go out on a limb here and say that AC/DC has more fans than GN'R does, at least in North America. Maybe even in South America and rest of the world. Winning even some of the naysayers and the rock fans in the media can only mean good things. People like Kimmel will be dying to get an interview with Axl/Axl+GN'R after he returns from the AC/DC dates in Europe.

He was dying already and before the AC/DC shit he would be talking about Guns, now the talk will all about the AC/DC experience cause it's more convenient for Axl. And one sentence about Guns most likely. A catastrophe.

[The Archer]

19 minutes ago, GNRfan2008 said:

GN'R has barely promoted the gigs here in North America and yet they are selling very, very well. If Axl kicks ass with AC/DC and most importantly shows up on time to shut up all the critics on that point, the hype will be enormous for GN'R the rest of the year. Axl teaming up with AC/DC is a once in a lifetime chance for him to play with his heroes AND help restore his standing in the music world, especially when it comes to showing up on time. Angus being such a strict person to work for could really help Axl in that regard.

Then next year bring in Adler and Izzy for the Appetite 30th Anniversary to build up even more good will with the public. Suddenly GN'R is set up to be one of those legacy acts that just keeps on going for many years with huge popularity (Stones, AC/DC, etc). 

I agree. I also think that regardless of whether the band does or doesn't bring back adler (aside:where is the poster by that name, who used to be here??) and izzy, any new music would tend towards more traditional hard rock. While I loved both the old stuff and CD and was excited for where we would go next, with or without Slash, I think that singing some good old Hard Rockin' Roll with AccaDacca and channeling the late great Bon Scott, might just push Axl towards a more traditional direction.

Edited April 19, 2016 by The Archer

[GNRfan2008]

5 minutes ago, Asia said:

Totally disagree. The attention should be on GN'R now. Instead of touring with AC/DC Axl should either be touring with Guns or sit down and write new songs. These two things would be the right promotion for GNR. GNR does not need AC/DC to promote them. People thinking Axl is an AC/DC singer will not get more interested in his reunion with Slash. One has nothing to do with the other. Plus what kind of a reunion is that and who gives a shit about it if even Axl doesn't because he chose AC/DC?

 

Another way to look at it is that he is using AC/DC to help him rehearse for the GN'R tour. In 2014 he was mostly terrible, but at the very end you could tell he was starting to get his shit together. He generally gets better with more and more singing. If he went from Coachella to the couch in his mansion for two months, I'm giving it around a 95% chance that he would show up at the Detroit show in full Mickey Mouse mode. 

[Asia]

1 minute ago, PatrickS77 said:

Oh. Boohooo. Seriously.

Yes, seriously. If you don't care about Guns and prefer Axl in AC/DC that's your choice. But this is a GNR forum so it's more than justified to be pissed about Axl trying to fuck up the only chance of GNR to be big again. Which is exactly what he's doing and you'll see it for yourself.

[The Archer]

6 minutes ago, DieselDaisy said:

I disagree.

 

7 minutes ago, supercool said:

he's no bon scott, but he's way better than brian.

He's neither. He is Axl Rose. Great in his own way but different from both those other two very, very great singers.

[DieselDaisy]

4 minutes ago, GNRfan2008 said:

Axl has him beat in songwriting and vocal talent. Brian's a nicer guy. That's about it. 

Axl has sounded like Mickey Mouse since 2001 and never releases records, let alone writes songs? Brian wrote many of the lyrics to those great Brian era DC songs. Brian has some of the best rock n' roll lungs in the industry. Listen to his singing on Black Ice and Rock Or Bust.

[The Archer]

1 minute ago, DieselDaisy said:

Axl has sounded like Mickey Mouse since 2001 and never releases records, let alone writes songs? Brian wrote many of the lyrics to those great Brian era DC songs. Brian has some of the best rock n' roll lungs in the industry. Listen to his singing on Black Ice and Rock Or Bust.

Axl hasn't always sounded like Mickey but all the stuff about Brian is true.

[PatrickS77]

6 minutes ago, Asia said:

Yes, seriously. If you don't care about Guns and prefer Axl in AC/DC that's your choice. But this is a GNR forum so it's more than justified to be pissed about Axl trying to fuck up the only chance of GNR to be big again. Which is exactly what he's doing and you'll see it for yourself.

I care about GNR as much as the next guy, so probably not much less than you, but your verbal diarrhea based on your assumptions and narrow minded view is just pathetic. You have no idea what went on behind the scenes.

Edited April 19, 2016 by PatrickS77

[Bumblefeet]

Some of the things I keep reading in this thread that I find totally insane:

• That Axl will lose his voice during/after the AC/DC gigs, his tonsils will explode on stage from singing Thunderstruck.
• That with the news of Axl/DC, people might get confused that Axl is done with GnR.
• That the additional publicity generated by Axl/DC wont benefit the reunion and sales of those concerts.
• That it's still an issue people can't spell Axl's name

 

[God of Thunder]

7 minutes ago, Asia said:

Yes, seriously. If you don't care about Guns and prefer Axl in AC/DC that's your choice. But this is a GNR forum so it's more than justified to be pissed about Axl trying to fuck up the only chance of GNR to be big again. Which is exactly what he's doing and you'll see it for yourself.

this whole discussion is so useless.... Didn`t Axl once say: "This ain`t Burger King, you can`t have it your way"..... all this "Axl should do this, Axl needs to do that, Guns should have done that, they need to do this to be big again...." 

It is what it is, and it is the biggest year for Guns in decades. Personally I think it is awesome that I at least get to see Axl in Europe this year. Really do not get the complaining, the Americans get the full Reunion tour AND Axl/DC shows and we Europeans at least get Axl/DC.

Edited April 19, 2016 by God of Thunder

[GNRfan2008]

6 minutes ago, DieselDaisy said:

Axl has sounded like Mickey Mouse since 2001 and never releases records, let alone writes songs? Brian wrote many of the lyrics to those great Brian era DC songs. Brian has some of the best rock n' roll lungs in the industry. Listen to his singing on Black Ice and Rock Or Bust.

 

Brian hasn't written any AC/DC lyrics since 1988. I am aware he had a great voice at one time. I will put this question to you: in his prime, could he do a good job covering something like Mr. Brownstone? Could he do a good job on something like Sweet Child O' Mine? We heard prime Axl do great covers of Bon Scott, Bob Dylan, Paul McCartney, Steven Tyler, Tom Petty, Mick Jagger, and on and on. The dude had an unbelievable voice, not just a great voice. And he was a hell of a songwriter. Far more versatile than the lyrics Brian gave us in the early to mid 80's with AC/DC. Where is Brian's Coma or Estranged? 

Edited April 19, 2016 by GNRfan2008

[The Archer]

6 minutes ago, Asia said:

He was dying already and before the AC/DC shit he would be talking about Guns, now the talk will all about the AC/DC experience cause it's more convenient for Axl. And one sentence about Guns most likely. A catastrophe.

He may not be dying for it as much after Axl cancelled on him the last time. The point is, if Axl does well, a lot of the media and industry players (who are more favorably disposed towards AC/DC) will be more favorably disposed towards Axl and even more excited to interview GN'R or do business with them. See, even in a GN'R with Slash and Duff, the biggest PR problem is still Axl. There are a lot of negative feelings towards him that persist all around and removing them only helps GN'R. 

[PatrickS77]

46 minutes ago, Lio said:

The reason why GNR isn't getting any coverage is that there's no European shows scheduled yet. AC/DC on the other hand, is coming to Europe in a few weeks. Bit logical it gets more coverage in Europe than GNR. Plus, this is a huge band that gets another (controversial) singer from another huge band. That doesn't happen every day.

If Axl pulls this off, I'm sure lots more Europeans will be interested in GNR. Right now, all everyone thinks about Axl is what you read all over: lost his voice, always late, prima ballerina... If he shows he's on it, a professional and GREAT singer and frontman, I am sure it can only be positive for GNR. As far as I'm concerned, Axl/DC is promotion for GNR.

Out of likes. Damn. To people who don't know, Axl is a washed up has been. Him fronting AC/DC can only help his and GNR's repution, because really, why would AC/DC hire a washed up has been, who, as we speak, can't even walk?

Edited April 19, 2016 by PatrickS77

[Lies They Tell]

7 minutes ago, Asia said:

Totally disagree. The attention should be on GN'R now. Instead of touring with AC/DC Axl should either be touring with Guns or sit down and write new songs. These two things would be the right promotion for GNR. GNR does not need AC/DC to promote them. People thinking Axl is an AC/DC singer will not get more interested in his reunion with Slash. One has nothing to do with the other. Plus what kind of a reunion is that and who gives a shit about it if even Axl doesn't because he chose AC/DC?

Well let's agree to disagree. I'm just glad that you're not managing Guns N' Roses. If GNR would just tour like a normal band right now, nobody would care except people who already are GNR fans. That would be the most predictable and boring way to do this. By helping out AC/DC, GNR will gain shitloads of new fans and public interest. Besides, they already have tons of material written. They don't need to write new songs. Now is the time to build up hype. Being boring and predictable is not the way to do it.

[Asia]

Just now, PatrickS77 said:

I care about GNR as much as the next guy, but you're verbal diarrhea based on your assumptions and narrow minded view is just pathetic. You have no idea what went on behind the scenes.

You've just proven who is really pathehtic here. Learn to use your brain or arguments before you start discussing.

[DieselDaisy]

1 minute ago, GNRfan2008 said:

 

Brian hasn't written any AC/DC lyrics since 1988. I am aware he had a great voice at one time. I will put this question to you: in his prime, could he do a good job covering something like Mr. Brownstone? Could he do a good job on something like Sweet Child O' Mine? We heard prime Axl do great covers of Bon Scott, Bob Dylan, Paul McCartney, Steven Tyler, and on and on. The dude had an unbelievable voice, not just a great voice. And he was a hell of a songwriter. Far more versatile than the lyrics Brian gave us in the early to mid 80's with AC/DC. Where is Brian's Coma or Estranged? 

Brian can handle any rock n' roll vocal you care to throw at him.

[GNRfan2008]

Just now, DieselDaisy said:

Brian can handle any rock n' roll vocal you care to throw at him.

Prime Brian, maybe. I don't know though. Current Brian? Absolutely not. 

[supercool]

14 minutes ago, The Archer said:

 

He's neither. He is Axl Rose. Great in his own way but different from both those other two very, very great singers.

bon scott and axl are more versatile than brian.

all the songs sound the same with brian, he lacks subtlety.

Edited April 19, 2016 by supercool

[The Archer]

9 minutes ago, Bumblefeet said:

Some of the things I keep reading in this thread that I find totally insane:

• That Axl will lose his voice during/after the AC/DC gigs, his tonsils will explode on stage from singing Thunderstruck.
• That with the news of Axl/DC, people might get confused that Axl is done with GnR.
• That the additional publicity generated by Axl/DC wont benefit the reunion and sales of those concerts.
• That it's still an issue people can't spell Axl's name

 

Post of the thread. I laughed loudly after each point.