double talkin jive mfkr Posted July 8, 2016 Share Posted July 8, 2016 53 minutes ago, Fitha_whiskey said: Obviously willing. Able is the question. I don't think there's any way he could handle it full time. Physically for one thing. Playing a 2.5 hour show of this intensity is a pretty tall order. He just doesn't look like he has much strength when he plays 2 songs, let alone 25. I don't think he would sound good at all on something like YCBM. Let's just pump the brakes a little here. It was an awesome moment, and it will be great if this continues like last night. But no way is the full time job ever gonna be all his again... no, you could be mine is one of the couple where sorum really is awesome along with Double Talkin - frank sucks on both Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THEJOBLIN Posted July 8, 2016 Share Posted July 8, 2016 I think he already knows the Illusions stuff, he was going to record it with them before he was fired, so he probably came up with alot of the drum parts himself. The only problem is, would he be dependable enough to do such a thing? I think it's a big thing that they brought him in, and not Matt Sorum to play a show with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom-Ass Posted July 8, 2016 Share Posted July 8, 2016 The intro to YCBM always reminded me of the little drum roll Steven does before starting this song here.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrayWyatt Posted July 8, 2016 Share Posted July 8, 2016 23 hours ago, Asdiz said: to learn uyi and chidem songs and become full-time drummer? if there's one thing i could ask him it would be that question. he's certainly capable - is he interested? i think that steven will be involved again during the tour but no way could i see him being asked to be full time drummer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
action Posted July 8, 2016 Share Posted July 8, 2016 (edited) 19 hours ago, fallglimmer said: Frank is probably the drummer of Guns n Roses until he makes the choice not to be, be it by stepping down or saying something stupid in the press. being the drummer in GNR is not a matter of choice: you can't "choose" to be fitting for GNR. you just "are" or you "are not" and no one can change a damn fact about it. at the end of the day, Frank isn't fit for GNR, on so many levels, and never will be. He's as much entitled to the drum kit as you and me. the situation today is, we are "forced" to accept frank as the drummer, cos Axl decided to, but the ears don't lie. there is only man who is the drummer of GNR: Steven. anyone else is a fraud and a detraction. Edited July 8, 2016 by action 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieselDaisy Posted July 8, 2016 Share Posted July 8, 2016 My drummer mate says there is nothing inherently complicated about the post-Adler Guns material. You lot act like Matt and the Nugnr drummers laid down incredibly complicated drum tracks, above and beyond Adler's addled mind, when in fact most of the stuff is fairly standard 4/4 rock drumming. There is no reason to believe Adler couldn't handle the Illusion stuff not to mention the Chinese stuff (if they insist). 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Juventino Posted July 8, 2016 Share Posted July 8, 2016 6 minutes ago, DieselDaisy said: My drummer mate says there is nothing inherently complicated about the post-Adler Guns material. You lot act like Matt and the Nugnr drummers laid down incredibly complicated drum tracks, above and beyond Adler's addled mind, when in fact most of the stuff is fairly standard 4/4 rock drumming. There is no reason to believe Adler couldn't handle the Illusion stuff not to mention the Chinese stuff (if they insist). Not to mention he has played on about half the Illusion songs already. Whether live during the 1980s, demos or rehearsals. Not as if it's alien to Adler. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fitha_whiskey Posted July 8, 2016 Share Posted July 8, 2016 (edited) 1 hour ago, DieselDaisy said: My drummer mate says there is nothing inherently complicated about the post-Adler Guns material. You lot act like Matt and the Nugnr drummers laid down incredibly complicated drum tracks, above and beyond Adler's addled mind, when in fact most of the stuff is fairly standard 4/4 rock drumming. There is no reason to believe Adler couldn't handle the Illusion stuff not to mention the Chinese stuff (if they insist). The fact remains, he has physical limitations from his strokes. I'm sorry, but he's not the drummer he once was. I'm not saying that shit is complicated, I'm saying I don't think he has the power to do it justice in a live setting. Not to mention how he will handle being a "big rock star" again. Can't we be satisfied with a couple songs and see how that goes for fuck sake? Edited July 8, 2016 by Fitha_whiskey Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
starlight Posted July 8, 2016 Share Posted July 8, 2016 I see Steven acting in a very professional way. He's keeping his mouth closed and playing what he has to play, so there is hope for him to be involved more with the band's plans in the future. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Modano09 Posted July 8, 2016 Share Posted July 8, 2016 If trotting him out for a couple of songs makes everyone happy, okay, but there's no way Adler should be the full-time drummer. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
action Posted July 8, 2016 Share Posted July 8, 2016 31 minutes ago, Modano09 said: If trotting him out for a couple of songs makes everyone happy, okay, but there's no way Adler should be the full-time drummer. ok, let's check this post on fact-value, just for the hell of it. I'm going to presume some facts you made up here, since your statement lacks any apparent foundation whatsoever. => he was a former drug addict, and none of his bandmates have a drug history. oh, wait.... => ah, it's because he doesnt do justice to the songs eh? => or maybe you mean he can't perform a complete show anymore these days? nope. all of the above is found untrue. conclusion: i'm sorry buddy. your post makes as much sense as pitman on a drinking binge. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
action Posted July 8, 2016 Share Posted July 8, 2016 (edited) 1 hour ago, Fitha_whiskey said: The fact remains, he has physical limitations from his strokes. I'm sorry, but he's not the drummer he once was. I'm not saying that shit is complicated, I'm saying I don't think he has the power to do it justice in a live setting. Not to mention how he will handle being a "big rock star" again. Can't we be satisfied with a couple songs and see how that goes for fuck sake? Slash has the heart of an 80 year old and needs a pacemaker. Duff's pancreas has the size of a peanut these days Axl needs to lose at least a potato bag's weight in pounds. meanwhile, Steven looks like this (while frank is making a travesty of songs like RQ and screwing up concert after concert): Yep, Steven is the only one having physical limitations. Edited July 8, 2016 by action Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieselDaisy Posted July 8, 2016 Share Posted July 8, 2016 1 hour ago, Fitha_whiskey said: The fact remains, he has physical limitations from his strokes. I'm sorry, but he's not the drummer he once was. I'm not saying that shit is complicated, I'm saying I don't think he has the power to do it justice in a live setting. Not to mention how he will handle being a "big rock star" again. He sounds alright to me - infact his drumming is of an identical quality to his drumming in the '80s. The stroke seems to have only impeded his speech, not his drumming abilities. Quote Can't we be satisfied with a couple songs and see how that goes for fuck sake? Well to many - myself included - he is the GN'R drummer so Frank will always be the elephant in the room, and there will always be a sense that this reunion is not quite as good as it can be, so long as Adler and Stradlin are absent. That is just the way it is if you believe the Appetite line-up to be definitive, and all other line-ups poor substitutes. But the Adler appearance is the best thing since The Troubadour show: it is a sign in the right direction. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fitha_whiskey Posted July 8, 2016 Share Posted July 8, 2016 5 minutes ago, action said: Slash has the heart of an 80 year old and needs a pacemaker. Duff's pancreas has the size of a peanut these days Axl needs to lose at least a potato bag's weight in pounds. meanwhile, Steven looks like this (while frank is making a travesty of songs like RQ and screwing up concert after concert): Yep, Steven is the only one having physical limitations. They're physical problems don't affect their performance in my opinion. Some may argue Axl, but he's as good as you can expect at 54. Adler has clearly lost something in his playing to me due to his. Not a popular opinion, I know. Again, I love the guy and happy for him & us. I prefer Frank for the future. I don't want to say anymore on the topic, cuz it's bumming me out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
action Posted July 8, 2016 Share Posted July 8, 2016 1 minute ago, Fitha_whiskey said: They're physical problems don't affect their performance in my opinion. Some may argue Axl, but he's as good as you can expect at 54. Adler has clearly lost something in his playing to me due to his. Not a popular opinion, I know. Again, I love the guy and happy for him & us. I prefer Frank for the future. I don't want to say anymore on the topic, cuz it's bumming me out. ok, let me get this straight. you think frank does MORE justice to the songs than Steven then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fitha_whiskey Posted July 8, 2016 Share Posted July 8, 2016 11 minutes ago, action said: ok, let me get this straight. you think frank does MORE justice to the songs than Steven then? When I hear Steven do YCBM, I'll let you know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BOSSY78 Posted July 8, 2016 Share Posted July 8, 2016 (edited) 23 hours ago, default_ said: Some people seem to forget that most of the Illusions material already existed prior the recordings. Gosh, Steven even started to record the album with Civil War, there are dozens of demos or live versions of pretty much every song on Illusions with Steven on it. The guy probably doesnt need to learn anything because he created most of that shit, Matt just made his own arrangements. Some forget that he couldn't play much of the material. We might want to break out Stevens interviews right before reunion announced, he said many times Duff doesn't think he's a good drummer. Now again this was all Stevens words. And perhaps drugs played a huge part in why he couldn't evolve his drumming, but not even a year ago Steven at least thought, assumed or something they didn't like his drumming. I believe he even said Slash won't hang out with him. It was great being there and him playing a few songs. Stevens awesome but I don't see him back full time. It's risky for them all. They all seemed to enjoy having him there. Edited July 8, 2016 by BOSSY78 added Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fallglimmer Posted July 8, 2016 Share Posted July 8, 2016 4 hours ago, action said: being the drummer in GNR is not a matter of choice: you can't "choose" to be fitting for GNR. you just "are" or you "are not" and no one can change a damn fact about it. at the end of the day, Frank isn't fit for GNR, on so many levels, and never will be. He's as much entitled to the drum kit as you and me. the situation today is, we are "forced" to accept frank as the drummer, cos Axl decided to, but the ears don't lie. there is only man who is the drummer of GNR: Steven. anyone else is a fraud and a detraction. and Frank IS the drummer of Guns. Axl isn't going to fire him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dontdamnmeuyi2015 Posted July 8, 2016 Share Posted July 8, 2016 I would be so happy to see Steven play a few songs on the whole tour. I think GNR should consider it. I would love to see Steven play with Axl, Slash and Duff again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom-Ass Posted July 8, 2016 Share Posted July 8, 2016 Adler100x>Frankfurter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blackrose87 Posted July 8, 2016 Share Posted July 8, 2016 3 hours ago, Fitha_whiskey said: The fact remains, he has physical limitations from his strokes. I'm sorry, but he's not the drummer he once was. I'm not saying that shit is complicated, I'm saying I don't think he has the power to do it justice in a live setting. Not to mention how he will handle being a "big rock star" again. Can't we be satisfied with a couple songs and see how that goes for fuck sake? Ok please explain how these physical limitations of his have any effect on his drumming. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Modano09 Posted July 8, 2016 Share Posted July 8, 2016 2 hours ago, action said: ok, let's check this post on fact-value, just for the hell of it. I'm going to presume some facts you made up here, since your statement lacks any apparent foundation whatsoever. => he was a former drug addict, and none of his bandmates have a drug history. oh, wait.... => ah, it's because he doesnt do justice to the songs eh? => or maybe you mean he can't perform a complete show anymore these days? nope. all of the above is found untrue. conclusion: i'm sorry buddy. your post makes as much sense as pitman on a drinking binge. I'll go with these - He was fired a quarter of a decade ago, for reasons he brought upon himself, and spent the time since ranting and raving, blaming everyone but himself, while occasionally making a fool of himself and proving their decision to fire him to be the correct one. He, himself, had done nothing to to suggest he should be part of GNR in 2016, the only reason he was even considered is because Slash and Duff were back. I don't think he deserves it. The guy's shown zero ability to remain sober for any prolonged period of time. Last time he was given an opportunity (to tour with Duff's Loaded) he went off on a bender. He can't be trusted to be the drummer on a large scale tour like this and in the grand scheme of things he's not important enough to go through the hassle of plan b's and safety net's to keep him on track. Yes, Slash has a drug history. Do you think Adler and Slash are of equal importance to a GNR reunion? To the casual fans making up like 90% of the audience, not the 10% that follow GNR on message boards. Guesting on a couple of Appetite songs is the perfect role for him. He didn't even record Illusions and beyond so I don't get why people think he's entitled to those songs too. He's fine in a limited role but there are numerous valid reasons why Steven Adler isn't going to be the touring drummer for a stadium tour in 2016. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Babooshka Posted July 8, 2016 Share Posted July 8, 2016 Well we don't know what their plans are, maybe they're open to giving Steven a chance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rosesandguns Posted July 8, 2016 Share Posted July 8, 2016 5 hours ago, Fitha_whiskey said: The fact remains, he has physical limitations from his strokes. I'm sorry, but he's not the drummer he once was. I'm not saying that shit is complicated, I'm saying I don't think he has the power to do it justice in a live setting. Not to mention how he will handle being a "big rock star" again. Can't we be satisfied with a couple songs and see how that goes for fuck sake? I do agree with this. He doesn't have the same groove & power he used to. Love the guy, his my favourite drummer, but his playing way differently after the last overdose. He's playing better now than he did a few years back though, so that means he could improve. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
default_ Posted July 8, 2016 Share Posted July 8, 2016 4 hours ago, BOSSY78 said: Some forget that he couldn't play much of the material. We might want to break out Stevens interviews right before reunion announced, he said many times Duff doesn't think he's a good drummer. Now again this was all Stevens words. And perhaps drugs played a huge part in why he couldn't evolve his drumming, but not even a year ago Steven at least thought, assumed or something they didn't like his drumming. I believe he even said Slash won't hang out with him. It was great being there and him playing a few songs. Stevens awesome but I don't see him back full time. It's risky for them all. They all seemed to enjoy having him there. The guy is a drummer and can play everything GNR released if he wants to, GNR isnt hard to play even for beginners. The main issue other members had with him was because of drug abuse that went so far that affected his senses and playing. This is "just" rock n' roll, there isnt need for a fucking machinegun drumming playing lightspeed like all these whatever metal bands have these days. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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