DieselDaisy Posted January 4, 2017 Share Posted January 4, 2017 I'm the only neutral and unbiased person on here as I'm not a big football fan but American football is universally shite. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zurimor Posted January 4, 2017 Share Posted January 4, 2017 (edited) 45 minutes ago, DieselDaisy said: I'm the only neutral and unbiased person on here as I'm not a big football fan but American football is universally shite. And another comment from someone who doesn't know anything about football. On a serious note, you can't just watch football and understand it immediately and have fun unlike soccer. It needed one season for me to understand the most important rules and especially the mindgames. Football is a lot about that, you need to know what your opponent expects and then do something he isn't prepared for. Since this applies for both sides, you may mindgame yourself. Often time matches are won or lost by defensive/offensive coordinators and their calls, not by the players themselves. Of course a good quarterback can change a call, that's why someone like Peyton Manning is a god, he just has this ability to read the opponents' defense and change a play accordingly. It's a very, very strategic game. I'm at a point now that I understand the game, but still don't know every possible play in a particular situation. I'm getting better on that with every match I watch, think in 1 or 2 years I can actually enjoy the game with all its many different details. P.S: Found a nice link about calls, just in case someone actually wants to read it. ^^ If you do so, you'll probably understand the complexitiy of the game a bit better. https://usafootball.com/news/coaches/let%e2%80%99s-talk-football-defensive-play-calls Edited January 4, 2017 by Zurimor Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Len Cnut Posted January 4, 2017 Share Posted January 4, 2017 41 minutes ago, Zurimor said: That's a comment from someone who doesn't know anything about football, obviously. Or rugby for that matter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zurimor Posted January 4, 2017 Share Posted January 4, 2017 10 minutes ago, Len Cnut said: Or rugby for that matter Right! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieselDaisy Posted January 4, 2017 Share Posted January 4, 2017 This will end about as well as the one time I entered the wrestling thread. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Powerage5 Posted January 4, 2017 Share Posted January 4, 2017 I'm the only American who actively participates in this thread (I think). Our football fucking sucks. The pacing of a game is horrible - stopping after every play sucks the life right out of a game. I can't stand watching a game for four hours to see 60 minutes of play. That's why I like real football/soccer above all other sports; even the dullest matches are still more exciting to watch because the play never stops. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Len Cnut Posted January 4, 2017 Share Posted January 4, 2017 46 minutes ago, DieselDaisy said: This will end about as well as the one time I entered the wrestling thread. I must have a scroll through and have a gander at that 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieselDaisy Posted January 4, 2017 Share Posted January 4, 2017 5 minutes ago, Len Cnut said: I must have a scroll through and have a gander at that You will have to wade far. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moreblack Posted January 5, 2017 Share Posted January 5, 2017 I'm Canadian, our handegg sucks too. 5 hours ago, Len Cnut said: I must have a scroll through and have a gander at that Reminded me of you in the MMA thread. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wasted Posted January 5, 2017 Share Posted January 5, 2017 12 hours ago, DieselDaisy said: Rugby League is a working class northern thing though. Union is the toff one. I don't think Union is for toffs in Wales though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieselDaisy Posted January 5, 2017 Share Posted January 5, 2017 13 minutes ago, wasted said: I don't think Union is for toffs in Wales though. No. The split between Union and League is an interesting subject and it is to do with amateurism v professionalism, a debate which occurred in all sports, cricket, association football, tennis, etc. The amateur ethic of the unpaid 'gentlemen' v the paid working class professional. Worth reading about for anybody interested in sports. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wasted Posted January 5, 2017 Share Posted January 5, 2017 1 hour ago, DieselDaisy said: No. The split between Union and League is an interesting subject and it is to do with amateurism v professionalism, a debate which occurred in all sports, cricket, association football, tennis, etc. The amateur ethic of the unpaid 'gentlemen' v the paid working class professional. Worth reading about for anybody interested in sports. So is Union paid in Wales? Or is it that every Welsh person looks like a pleb to me? Anthony Hopkins looks like a classy miner. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieselDaisy Posted January 5, 2017 Share Posted January 5, 2017 7 minutes ago, wasted said: So is Union paid in Wales? Or is it that every Welsh person looks like a pleb to me? Anthony Hopkins looks like a classy miner. I haven't got a clue about Wales but Union finally ditched amateurism in the mid '90s I believe and this would have included Wales. English Cricket consisted of amateurs ('Gentlemen') and Professionals ('Players') since the sport was codified in the late-Victorian era. There was not enough public school boys to fill up a cricket team you see, so gentlemen resorted to allowing working men to bowl for them (amateurs were generally batsman, professionals bowlers). Amateurs and pros would eat separately, lodge in separate hotels and arrive on the field via different exits of the Pavilion. There was a huge furor over Len Hutton being the first professional captain of England (captains were exclusively amateur). It was basically a con anyway. The two wars had increasingly eroded class distinction and gentlemen 'of leisure' had become unsustainable in a modern world. Most of the amateurs were given faux jobs at the cricket club ('secretary'), from which they received a pay, thus sustaining the illusion that they were still playing amateur cricket. Some professionals upon receiving the captaincy were turned into amateurs. The distinction was abolished in 1963. With Tennis it was also a big thing. Lever was the first (and presumably only) man to win Wimbledon as both amateur and professional. Association Football went along a similar path as Rugby except there was never a schism. The earliest clubs were amateur and southern. Slightly later, working classes of various occupations in the north started forming their own clubs and the two basically competed against each other rather than split over the issue of amateurism. Many club names carry their origin ('Arsenal', formed from the artillery soldiers of the Woolwich barracks). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wasted Posted January 5, 2017 Share Posted January 5, 2017 Sounds quite racialist. Nowadays football and cricket go together. Shane Warne is a footballer in white. Union is still kind of public school. I stopped the 6 nations around the 90s. I remember players being accountants. But if you go on the lash by accident in Cardiff on a rugby weekend it doesn't seem very posh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieselDaisy Posted January 5, 2017 Share Posted January 5, 2017 (edited) The amount of cricketers who played football is gigantic, especially during the '40s and 50s: Denis and Leslie Compton (Arsenal), Willie Watson (Sunderland), Jack Dyson (Man City), Ken Taylor (Huddersfield). Most of Gloucestershire and Kent during the '50s were footballers. Micky Stewart, Surrey legend/England manager (and father of Alec) played for Charlton. In more recent history, Botham (Yeovil Town/Scunthorpe) and Phil Neale (Lincoln City) continued the tradition, albeit in an ad hoc way. The list goes on. They complemented each other: cricket in the summer, football in the winter. That is why it happened. Apparently Phil Neale was learning Russian on the Lincoln City team bus, reading his books ahead of his university exam, and Graham Taylor told him that he should ''act the peasant sometimes'' as footballers like to talk in the dressing room about ''football, sex and television'' (this was the '80s; now they would probably not be able to communicate with one-and-another as they all talk different languages, and even if they did, they'd probably talk about Ferraris and hair gel). Edited January 6, 2017 by DieselDaisy 'complicated each other... ' what an idiot Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Len Cnut Posted January 5, 2017 Share Posted January 5, 2017 3 hours ago, DieselDaisy said: The amount of cricketers who played football is gigantic, especially during the '40s and 50s: Denis and Leslie Compton (Arsenal), Willie Watson (Sunderland), Jack Dyson (Man City), Ken Taylor (Huddersfield). Most of Gloucestershire and Kent during the '50s were footballers. Micky Stewart, Surrey legend/England manager (and father of Alec) played for Charlton. In more recent history, Botham (Yeovil Town/Scunthorpe) and Phil Neale (Lincoln City) continued the tradition, albeit in an ad hoc way. The list goes on. They complicated each other: cricket in the summer, football in the winter. That is why it happened. Apparently Phil Neale was learning Russian on the Lincoln City team bus, reading his books ahead of his university exam, and Graham Taylor told him that he should ''act the peasant sometimes'' as footballers like to talk in the dressing room about ''football, sex and television'' (this was the '80s; now they would probably not be able to communicate with one-and-another as they all talk different languages, and even if they did, they'd probably talk about Ferraris and hair gel). Graeme Le Saux read a broadsheet newspaper and to this day hasn't been able to live down the accusations of being a bender, thats how anti-intellectual football is Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spunko12345 Posted January 5, 2017 Share Posted January 5, 2017 2 hours ago, Len Cnut said: Graeme Le Saux read a broadsheet newspaper and to this day hasn't been able to live down the accusations of being a bender, thats how anti-intellectual football is David Beckham famously left school with no GCSE's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Len Cnut Posted January 5, 2017 Share Posted January 5, 2017 17 minutes ago, spunko12345 said: David Beckham famously left school with no GCSE's. David Beckham left his mothers womb without a frontal lobe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PappyTron Posted January 5, 2017 Author Share Posted January 5, 2017 2 hours ago, Len Cnut said: David Beckham left his mothers womb without a frontal lobe. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zurimor Posted January 6, 2017 Share Posted January 6, 2017 8 hours ago, Len Cnut said: Graeme Le Saux read a broadsheet newspaper and to this day hasn't been able to live down the accusations of being a bender, thats how anti-intellectual football is Just the link I posted about calls proofs that football is everything else than anti-intellectual. If you can't use your brain, you can't play football. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Len Cnut Posted January 6, 2017 Share Posted January 6, 2017 Just now, Zurimor said: Just the link I posted about calls proofs that football is everything else than anti-intellectual. If you can't use your brain, you can't play football. There's types of intellectualism though, isn't there? The same thing that makes you see a pass between 4 defenders is not the same thing that gives you brains enough to not call a black man a n!gger because it's prejudiced. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zurimor Posted January 6, 2017 Share Posted January 6, 2017 1 minute ago, Len Cnut said: There's types of intellectualism though, isn't there? The same thing that makes you see a pass between 4 defenders is not the same thing that gives you brains enough to not call a black man a n!gger because it's prejudiced. Ok, you didn't read that link. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Len Cnut Posted January 6, 2017 Share Posted January 6, 2017 2 minutes ago, Zurimor said: Ok, you didn't read that link. Nope, i don't even know what you're talking about Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zurimor Posted January 6, 2017 Share Posted January 6, 2017 1 minute ago, Len Cnut said: Nope, i don't even know what you're talking about You can find it further up in this thread, one of my posts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieselDaisy Posted January 6, 2017 Share Posted January 6, 2017 Football fans have always struck me as ''pie and pint and a few racists chants'' type people. Very plebeian. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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