My email to KFAN AM Radio.

[Getizzyback]

I liked the email,it was really well pointed,letting those guys know that this group is more than just Appetite For Destruction,and Use Your Illusions.

I have never heard the Snakepit stuff,but as for Slash's "Revolver" involvement,I have no problem with his performance,just the song writing and the vocals keep me away.

[Almost Famous]

Slash hasnt been on a decline, put the spliff down AF.

I've actually been clean for almost 3 weeks now...

Anyways, this is based on what I've thought about the SS n' VR albums over time.

[muttyhc]

what you said about Axl's voice is bullshit. It's better than 02 for sure, but the band isn't better than 02 for obvious reasons. His voice in 87-91 was awesome, 92 and 93 at certain shows it was also absolutely superb. I think you've just compiled a complete fanboy mindset put it into an email and sent it to some dogshit radio station who don't care what you think anyway. Everything you've said isn't objective at all. Just because you're high as a kite over Axl being around again doesn't mean you have to disregard the previous work, rejoice over all of it and realise that at one point or another over the past 20 years, GnR in one shape or form have produced fucking amazing work. Yes even in 02 and Oh My God isn't as bad as everyone thinks.

[sweetness]

Slash hasnt been on a decline, put the spliff down AF.

I've actually been clean for almost 3 weeks now...

Anyways, this is based on what I've thought about the SS n' VR albums over time.

3 weeks? Damn...

But yeah, I know what you mean, different tastes is a bitch

[The Sandman]

SLash was an "original" member(so to speak)

He wasn't an original member, he replaced Tracii Guns. He wasn't even "original". Perhaps his playing style was (although that too is debatable). You, and I, can love Slash, but that doesn't stop him replacing Tracii Guns.

Oh please. When you turn to saying something like that, you're clutching at straws.

Clutching at straws? C'mon Chris, that's laughable and you know it. That, above, is the truth. Slash was not an original member.

[Ridin' the Nightrain]

It's being pedantic. 99.9% of the GNR community consider the 'originals' to the be the guys who put out AFD.

Anywho, the Slash bashing was not needed and made the whole thing look like trash. I could easily come up with more reasons why you should see the new GNR, without ever mentioning one of the ex-members. By trashing Slash it just made it look like you ran out of reasons and resorted to childish bashing.

[The Sandman]

It's being pedantic. 99.9% of the GNR community consider the 'originals' to the be the guys who put out AFD.

They may 'consider' that, but it doesn't change the facts.

[Zint]

Pete Best anyone?

[sweetness]

It's being pedantic. 99.9% of the GNR community consider the 'originals' to the be the guys who put out AFD.

They may 'consider' that, but it doesn't change the facts.

I dont think anybody is denying the facts here, not at all, and that phrase can be aplied to several arguments conserning Guns N' Roses, but in this case, who was in the band that made a name for Guns N' Roses? I'll give you a hint, Tracci Guns wasnt, hes part of the LA Guns legacy believe it or not.

[Poepsnoet]

Pete Best anyone?

And Stuart Sutcliffe, great point.

[tat2d1]

So yesterday at work my boss told me about KFAN AM radio ragging on this lineup and told me to email 'em n' put in my input about why they should go see this show.

Here is the email. Remember people, this is my opinion!

Hello there,

My boss mentioned to me that you were ragging on Guns N' Roses not being Guns N' Roses without Slash. Well, first off, let me introduce myself, I've been a fan of Guns N' Roses my whole life, I'm 17 now. Anyways, I've always been a die hard Guns N' Roses fan, I've got every live audio recording released so far, and a number of concerts in video/DVD. I've listened to each and everyone, and have came up with reasons to go and see this band live.

My Boss told me to either call or e-mail you guys about this little 'ragging' of the new band.

So, without further ado, here is my top 6 reasons why this upcoming concert at the Target Center would be worth going to.

1. Axl Rose's voice:

Currently, his vocals are the best that they've been at since December of 1991 to January of 1992. His voice was shot through out most of the two and a half year Use Your Illusion tour. During their 'stint' during 2002, Axl's voice was not up to par, he sounded more so like an early 1984/1985 Axl. In 2006, Axl's vocals are actually the best that they have ever been.

2. Guest appearances by Izzy Stradlin and Sebastain Bach:

Axl and Izzy got together on stage for the first time since May 30th, 1993, at the final show, May 17th 2006 of the four sold out shows at the Hammerstein Ballroom in New York City. And, through out the European Tour, from June 11th, 2006 to the final show of the tour, on July 30st 2006 at Wembley Stadium in London, was a guest on anywhere from 3 to 5 songs a night.

Also, Sebastain Bach has been doing a duet with Axl on 'My Michelle'. Baz totally kicks ass on the song. From all the reviews I've read about the shows with Baz and Axl on vocals, almost everyone has said that it's been one of the highlights of the concert.

3. The combination of Ron 'Bumblefoot' Thal, Robin Finck, and Richard Fortus:

Richard Fortus and Robin Finck are the two tightest guitarist's in any band right now. They've both got amazing onstage charisma, and they're tighter then Slash n' Izzy were back in their heyday. Also, with the recent addition of Ron Thal, the three of them are the most talented, close nit guitarists currently out there. Ron's got amazing abilities, he's got the talent of Slash, and the ability to shred like ex-guitarist Buckethead.

Robin Finck worked with Nine Inch Nails and Cirque Du Soleil in the past. His got an on-stage presence that matches the likes of Angus Young. Richard Fortus did a lot of session work back before replacing longtime friend of Axl's and guitarist, Paul 'Huge' Tobias. Since the addition of Richard in the summer of 2002, Guns N' Roses have became even better. Richard and Robin are today's Slash and Izzy. They're a great team together.

4. A highly successful European Tour.

The European Tour consisted of a number of festival shows, including Download Festival at Castle Donnington, Gods Of Metal in Milan, Italy, Rock In Rio 2006, and the NovaRock festival.

This tour included 10 sold out shows, and was the most successful tour in the UK during the summer. This tour was the best tour for Guns N' Roses since the 1987/1988 tour for Appetite For Destruction. No riots like in 1991 and 1992, no walk offs in the middle of the show (There was one, but an audience member kept throwing shit at Axl after being told not to, but the show was ended without an encore. They finished their normal set, and skipped the two song encore, so that doesn't really count.)

Also, songs that haven't been played in years, for example Used To Love Her was played a few times during the tour.

And, we can't forget the live performances of some of the material from the upcoming album Chinese Democracy. (Chinese Democracy, The Blues, Better, IRS, There Was A Time and Madagascar)

5. May 12,14,15, and 17 shows at the Hammerstein Ballroom in New York City.

Well, the shows speak for themselves, seeing as they sold out in under 3 minutes. If no one wanted to see GnR because they don't have Slash, why would there be 10 sold out shows during the European Tour, and the 4 NYC shows selling out in under 3 minutes?

6. Slash:

Have you heard his playing in the last 10 years or so? He's lost a lot of the emotion he used to put into playing when he was with Guns N' Roses, frankly, I think he should 'retire' because, since leaving Guns N' Roses, his playing has went downhill. Velvet Revolver isn't worth even seeing live, or even listening to. The level that Slash used to play at, is no longer there, he will not be as good as he was before. Since 1993, his work has been going downhill. Listen to his Solo albums from Slash's Snakepit, they're mediocre at best, but hardly even that. But, don't get me wrong, I do like Slash, but since 1993 his work has not been to his full potential. Even the second Slash's Snakepit album, was hardly mentionable, and should not have been released. It was a huge flop on Slash's part. And, with the Velvet Revolver album, I couldn't make it through the first 4 tracks without turning it off, it was a very big letdown, not only for me, but other people who thought that VR might be up to par with GnR. Frankly, that is NOT the case. I haven't listened to the VR record since I turned it off, I was hugely let down, because it did not even come close to matching the hype that was made about it.

Media to help prove my point even more then already stated above:

Videos from Download Festival, Donnington, England can be found on the bands official website. I would link to the videos, but I can not.

So, go to www.gunsnroses.com and then click on watch video. There is three videos there, My Michelle featuring Sebastain Bach, Paradise City featuring Izzy, and Nightrain, also with Izzy Stradlin.

And, some audio; these are tracks that were leaked onto the Internet in February. (Please do not spread this link, I am hosting it on my own web space and I only have a small amount of bandwidth per month)

LINK Removed.

If you need some live stuff to even further prove my point, give me an address and I'll send out the complete recording of Download Festival, recorded from Axl's Monitor feed.

Hope you enjoyed the read;

Alex Anderson, a 17 year old die hard GnR fan from Bloomington.

You made some good points, until you had to resort to putting down Slash. If you have to diss former members in an attempt to put the new band over, that's just weak, IMO.

You said in your post that VR isn't even worth seeing live. Have you seen them? If not, then how would you know? And if you have, why would you go see a band you don't like? After all, you couldn't even listen to Contraband all the way through, right? So why go see a band you dislike?

Most of your other points were pretty spot on though.

[Almost Famous]

You made some good points, until you had to resort to putting down Slash. If you have to diss former members in an attempt to put the new band over, that's just weak, IMO.

You said in your post that VR isn't even worth seeing live. Have you seen them? If not, then how would you know? And if you have, why would you go see a band you don't like? After all, you couldn't even listen to Contraband all the way through, right? So why go see a band you dislike?

Most of your other points were pretty spot on though.

First off, like I've said in this thread already, I put the Slash part in there because of the DJ saying Guns isn't shit without him.

And, I've got 3 or 4 VR bootlegs. Mainly the ones from the shows in MPLS, I collect hometown shows for the most part. And, yes I have listened to them all the way through, and they, for lack of a better term suck.

It took me two weeks to make it all the way through the Xcel Energy Center show, two or three songs a day.

[moreblack]

How do you know that dj wouldn't like them tho?

[Iceman24]

Good text

But what I don't agree with is, that the second Snakepit album shouldn't have been released. It's an amazing album.

[ssiscool]

Good text

But what I don't agree with is, that the second Snakepit album shouldn't have been released. It's an amazing album.

from what i've heard its a great album

[Chris 55]

ok, you wrote an email to a radio station. now what? why should they care about what you have to say?

[lina]

nice read

I agree with you 100% ,

I love Slash but if you look at his work since he left GNR I dont see something special

and outstanding . I listed to whole VR albom and I liked it more than you , but still........

good work!

[Marky]

I thought it was good post on myspace, and as soon as i saw this topic, i knew that some people who are so far up Slash's left arse cheek would complain, when all of the points made are valid.

[highvoltage]

SLash was an "original" member(so to speak)

He wasn't an original member, he replaced Tracii Guns. He wasn't even "original". Perhaps his playing style was (although that too is debatable). You, and I, can love Slash, but that doesn't stop him replacing Tracii Guns.

Oh please. When you turn to saying something like that, you're clutching at straws.

Clutching at straws? C'mon Chris, that's laughable and you know it. That, above, is the truth. Slash was not an original member.

No. Slash is an original member. Tracii Guns did absolutely nothing for Guns N' Roses, and you know it.

[The Sandman]

SLash was an "original" member(so to speak)

He wasn't an original member, he replaced Tracii Guns. He wasn't even "original". Perhaps his playing style was (although that too is debatable). You, and I, can love Slash, but that doesn't stop him replacing Tracii Guns.

Oh please. When you turn to saying something like that, you're clutching at straws.

Clutching at straws? C'mon Chris, that's laughable and you know it. That, above, is the truth. Slash was not an original member.

No. Slash is an original member. Tracii Guns did absolutely nothing for Guns N' Roses, and you know it.

Once more, laughable.

Where did the name Guns N' Roses come from? :xmasschef2:

Slash didn't bring it, that's for sure. It probably would've been Slash N' Roses instead.

Slash ISN'T an original member. Guns N' Roses was founded by:

W.Axl Rose

Izzy Straddlin'

Tracii Guns

Ole Beich

Rob Gardner.

Tracii Guns obviously did so little for Guns N' Roses, aside from founding it I suppose. Irrelevant detail?

It's insulting to this group of musicians that you don't 'consider' them to have started something you love twenty or so years on. Especially when one of them is dead and can't defend himself.

[King Dick]

Great post Sandman. I share your sentiments 100%.

[highvoltage]

SLash was an "original" member(so to speak)

He wasn't an original member, he replaced Tracii Guns. He wasn't even "original". Perhaps his playing style was (although that too is debatable). You, and I, can love Slash, but that doesn't stop him replacing Tracii Guns.

Oh please. When you turn to saying something like that, you're clutching at straws.

Clutching at straws? C'mon Chris, that's laughable and you know it. That, above, is the truth. Slash was not an original member.

No. Slash is an original member. Tracii Guns did absolutely nothing for Guns N' Roses, and you know it.

Once more, laughable.

Where did the name Guns N' Roses come from? :xmasschef2:

Slash didn't bring it, that's for sure. It probably would've been Slash N' Roses instead.

Slash ISN'T an original member. Guns N' Roses was founded by:

W.Axl Rose

Izzy Straddlin'

Tracii Guns

Ole Beich

Rob Gardner.

Tracii Guns obviously did so little for Guns N' Roses, aside from founding it I suppose. Irrelevant detail?

It's insulting to this group of musicians that you don't 'consider' them to have started something you love twenty or so years on. Especially when one of them is dead and can't defend himself.

No, you're missing the point. You're treating Guns N' Roses as a name, as an entity. You need to look at them as a band - a creative force who made something together. Saying that guys like Tracii, Ole and Rob are Original members is an insult to the real original band. They played a couple shows together in '85... whoopdiedoo. They had no impact on the band whatsoever. Chris Weber has a couple of joint writing credits on songs - but if you make him a band member on that logic, then so is West Arkeen, Teddy Zig Zag, etc.

It's like saying that Dave Evans is the original vocalist for AC/DC. He cut a couple of demos with them, and toured with them for 6 months - yet in no way are any AC/DC fans dumb enough to say that he was the original vocalist.

The original band is Axl, Slash, Duff, Izzy and Steven. No technicality is going to change that. Axl himself would probably say the same thing.

[Ridin' the Nightrain]

Exactly.

Edited October 16, 2006 by Slash's Appetite

[Wando]

SLash was an "original" member(so to speak)

He wasn't an original member, he replaced Tracii Guns. He wasn't even "original". Perhaps his playing style was (although that too is debatable). You, and I, can love Slash, but that doesn't stop him replacing Tracii Guns.

Oh please. When you turn to saying something like that, you're clutching at straws.

Clutching at straws? C'mon Chris, that's laughable and you know it. That, above, is the truth. Slash was not an original member.

No. Slash is an original member. Tracii Guns did absolutely nothing for Guns N' Roses, and you know it.

Once more, laughable.

Where did the name Guns N' Roses come from? :xmasschef2:

Slash didn't bring it, that's for sure. It probably would've been Slash N' Roses instead.

Slash ISN'T an original member. Guns N' Roses was founded by:

W.Axl Rose

Izzy Straddlin'

Tracii Guns

Ole Beich

Rob Gardner.

Tracii Guns obviously did so little for Guns N' Roses, aside from founding it I suppose. Irrelevant detail?

It's insulting to this group of musicians that you don't 'consider' them to have started something you love twenty or so years on. Especially when one of them is dead and can't defend himself.

Oh well. You still get what highvoltage meant..

Tracii Guns is just in a siderole in GN'R's history, yes he/someone created GN'R's name from his and Ax's names but that's irrelevant when you dig a bit deeper, Appetite would have been great even if this band had been called Slash N' Roses.

[highvoltage]

Exactly. A bandname is nothing without musicians behind it.

The name Guns N' Roses has nothing to do with the music. Surely you can see that.