DieselDaisy Posted September 3, 2019 Share Posted September 3, 2019 44 minutes ago, Graeme said: "The Johnson" doesn't exactly have an amazing ring to it. Shouldn't the Salmon proposal really be called the Groper? That will be 2 Gropes for a bottle of Iron-Bru. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieselDaisy Posted September 3, 2019 Share Posted September 3, 2019 (edited) 17 Tory rebels. That will be a majority of 16 then as Kate Hooey will definitely vote against the motion. Probably 1-2 more from Labour also. I suspect it will pass with a circa 15 majority. - Emily Thornberry has been on the pies. Her face is now so fat she is developing Chinese eyes. - Laid back bugger, Edited September 3, 2019 by DieselDaisy 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieselDaisy Posted September 3, 2019 Share Posted September 3, 2019 (edited) General Election. 2/3rds majority required under fixed terms - the Rebels will want tomorrow's bill passed so Brexit won't occur after election. Brenda from Bristol will be happy! Edited September 3, 2019 by DieselDaisy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Padme Posted September 3, 2019 Share Posted September 3, 2019 2 minutes ago, DieselDaisy said: General Election. 2/3rds majority required under fixed terms - the Rebels will want tomorrow's bill passed so Brexit won't occur after election. Brenda from Bristol will be happy! This is the Theresa May soap opera all over again. I have said this many times. People who want hard Brexit should vote for UKIP or this new Brexit Party. They must stop wasting their and the whole world time voting for Tories or Labour. It's clear that the majority of Tories and Labour MP don't want hard Brexit. And some don't want Brexit at all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieselDaisy Posted September 3, 2019 Share Posted September 3, 2019 (edited) 8 minutes ago, Padme said: This is the Theresa May soap opera all over again. I have said this many times. People who want hard Brexit should vote for UKIP or this new Brexit Party. They must stop wasting their and the whole world time voting for Tories or Labour. It's clear that the majority of Tories and Labour MP don't want hard Brexit. And some don't want Brexit at all. Only 21 Tories defied Whip and will almost probably face deselection ahead of general election. EDIT: reports emerging that the 21 have just been booted out of party. Edited September 3, 2019 by DieselDaisy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Padme Posted September 3, 2019 Share Posted September 3, 2019 4 minutes ago, DieselDaisy said: Only 21 Tories defied Whip and will almost probably face deselection ahead of general election. EDIT: reports emerging that the 21 have just been booted out of party. They obviously don't give a shit about facing deselection. Those "only 21" were enough. The fact remains that we are back to square 1. So you and your 52% Leavers vote for UPIK or Brexit Party. There is no other way Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieselDaisy Posted September 3, 2019 Share Posted September 3, 2019 (edited) 13 minutes ago, Padme said: They obviously don't give a shit about facing deselection. Those "only 21" were enough. The fact remains that we are back to square 1. So you and your 52% Leavers vote for UPIK or Brexit Party. There is no other way The Brexit Party - UKIP are dead - cannot compete with a Conservative Party going into a general election with a Brexiteer as leader and a manifesto based on Brexit haha. The only really issue here is whether or not Farage goes into a coalition with the Conservatives, which might occur as The Brexit Party runs the risk of splitting the Conservative/leave vote. This is where we are currently at with this proposal: https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/9851382/nigel-farage-price-election-pact-boris-johnson-no-deal-brexit/ Edited September 3, 2019 by DieselDaisy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Padme Posted September 3, 2019 Share Posted September 3, 2019 15 minutes ago, DieselDaisy said: The Brexit Party - UKIP are dead - cannot compete with a Conservative Party going into a general election with a Brexiteer as leader and a manifesto based on Brexit haha. The only really issue here is whether or not Farage goes into a coalition with the Conservatives, which might occur as The Brexit Party runs the risk of splitting the Conservative/leave vote. This is where we are currently at with this proposal: https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/9851382/nigel-farage-price-election-pact-boris-johnson-no-deal-brexit/ What you mean dead? The Brexit Party won the EU election. But if you are right it means Brexit is dead since there is no Brexit Party. It's obvious that Tories couldn't get it done with a hard Brexit PM. Neither May with her Norway like deal. The Tories don't like anything. They tried twice with two different PM. What is it that they want? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieselDaisy Posted September 3, 2019 Share Posted September 3, 2019 (edited) 16 minutes ago, Padme said: What you mean dead? The Brexit Party won the EU election. But if you are right it means Brexit is dead since there is no Brexit Party. It's obvious that Tories couldn't get it done with a hard Brexit PM. Neither May with her Norway like deal. The Tories don't like anything. They tried twice with two different PM. What is it that they want? UKIP are dead. The previous two Conservatives were remainers. Boris is a Brexiteer. Key difference. PS Just to how much of a sizable shift this motion is pertaining to the Tories, Ken Clarke, scion, father of the house, is no longer a Conservative MP - nor is Churchill's grandson. Edited September 3, 2019 by DieselDaisy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bucketfoot Posted September 3, 2019 Share Posted September 3, 2019 1 hour ago, DieselDaisy said: 17 Tory rebels. That will be a majority of 16 then as Kate Hooey will definitely vote against the motion. Probably 1-2 more from Labour also. I suspect it will pass with a circa 15 majority. - Emily Thornberry has been on the pies. Her face is now so fat she is developing Chinese eyes. - Laid back bugger, Rees-Mogg should have his own reality show, the bloke is terrific entertainment. Tory rebels deselected. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Padme Posted September 3, 2019 Share Posted September 3, 2019 8 minutes ago, DieselDaisy said: UKIP are dead. The previous two Conservatives were remainers. Boris is a Brexiteer. Key difference. The Brexit Party is not dead. Key difference? Where? May came up with a Soft Brexit plan. It didn't pass. She is gone. Boris just tried with Hard Brexit. It didn't pass either. Tories are divided no matter what. The only way out is Brexit Party winning the election. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieselDaisy Posted September 3, 2019 Share Posted September 3, 2019 1 minute ago, Padme said: The Brexit Party is not dead. I never claimed ''The Brexit Party is dead'' though; this is what I wrote, 43 minutes ago, DieselDaisy said: The Brexit Party - UKIP are dead - cannot... ''UKIP are dead'' placed in a hyphenated subordinate clause. 2 minutes ago, Padme said: Boris just tried with Hard Brexit. It didn't pass either. Tories are divided no matter what. The only way out is Brexit Party winning the election. With the exact same 2017 Parliament which had every possible outcome of the referendum put to it, from revoking Article 50 and staying in the EU, to various soft-Brexit positions, to a hard-Brexit no deal, and voted against all. A general election will supply us with a new House reflecting the current General Will. 6 minutes ago, Padme said: The only way out is Brexit Party winning the election. The Brexit Party will never win a general election haha. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bucketfoot Posted September 3, 2019 Share Posted September 3, 2019 Corbyn ducking the General Election he's been crying out for. After his flip-flopping on Brexit, he now has zero credibility. Absolute coward. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieselDaisy Posted September 3, 2019 Share Posted September 3, 2019 1 minute ago, bucketfoot said: Corbyn ducking the General Election he's been crying out for. After his flip-flopping on Brexit, he now has zero credibility. Absolute coward. ''Now'' you say? Quote We have a European bureaucracy totally unaccountable to anybody, powers have gone from national parliaments - they haven't gone to the European Parliament, they've gone to the Commission and to some extent the Council of Ministers. These are quite serious matters. - Jeremy ''Remainer'' Corbyn. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AtariLegend Posted September 3, 2019 Share Posted September 3, 2019 Churchill's grandson branded traitor with whip removed by man who spends his time mis quoting churchill. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Padme Posted September 3, 2019 Share Posted September 3, 2019 10 minutes ago, DieselDaisy said: The Brexit Party will never win a general election haha. If that is the case, Hard Brexit will never happened. I don't think a general election will fix the division among Tories. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieselDaisy Posted September 3, 2019 Share Posted September 3, 2019 1 minute ago, AtariLegend said: Churchill's grandson branded traitor with whip removed by man who spends his time mis quoting churchill. I should point out that Churchill himself did a similar thing, famously crossing the floor and joining the Liberals in 1904, before returning to the Conservatives in 1924 where he remained a marginalised/mistrusted figure during the 1930s. 3 minutes ago, Padme said: If that is the case, Hard Brexit will never happened. I don't think a general election will fix the division among Tories. 21. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bucketfoot Posted September 3, 2019 Share Posted September 3, 2019 6 minutes ago, DieselDaisy said: ''Now'' you say? - Jeremy ''Remainer'' Corbyn. To think a lot of people thought he was a man of integrity, whether you agreed with his politics or not. He's a complete and utter joke. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieselDaisy Posted September 3, 2019 Share Posted September 3, 2019 2 minutes ago, bucketfoot said: To think a lot of people thought he was a man of integrity, whether you agreed with his politics or not. He's a complete and utter joke. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bucketfoot Posted September 3, 2019 Share Posted September 3, 2019 "You dirty old man!" 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MillionsOfSpiders Posted September 3, 2019 Share Posted September 3, 2019 The resemblance is uncanny, Corbyn’s even got the rank yellow teeth 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EvanG Posted September 3, 2019 Share Posted September 3, 2019 10 minutes ago, MillionsOfSpiders said: The resemblance is uncanny, Corbyn’s even got the rank yellow teeth Yeah, but so does everyone in England. *leaves thread* 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dazey Posted September 4, 2019 Share Posted September 4, 2019 (edited) “Mr Speaker, tonight’s vote made even the Leader of the House sit up,” Anna Soubry. Edited September 4, 2019 by Dazey Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Padme Posted September 4, 2019 Share Posted September 4, 2019 10 hours ago, DieselDaisy said: 21. You're assuming the 21 will be replaced by Hard Brexit Tories. We don't know what the outcome of the election is going to be. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieselDaisy Posted September 4, 2019 Share Posted September 4, 2019 (edited) If I was the conservatives I would form an electoral alliance with The Brexit Party, desisting from running in northern and midland Labour heartlands for a vice versa arrangement, Brexit Party refraining from contesting strong conservative constituencies so as not to split the ''leave'' vote. Unleash the dogs of war (i.e., The Brexit Party) on the midlands and the north!! Here you have constituencies that overwhelmingly voted leave (North East and East Midlands both 58%, West Midlands 59%, Yorkshire 57%) yet are represented by MPs who have done everything to stifle Brexit. The Labour Party is seen as no longer representative of the working classes but a metrocentric elitist middle class project. But these are still constituencies with a natural aversion to the Tories. The Brexit Party can cause havoc with the Labour vote. 9 minutes ago, Padme said: You're assuming the 21 will be replaced by Hard Brexit Tories. We don't know what the outcome of the election is going to be. I think that will be an extremely good bet somehow given Boris's inclination - certainly they'll be conservatives willing to countenance a ''no deal''. Edited September 4, 2019 by DieselDaisy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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