AncientEvil80 Posted May 5, 2018 Share Posted May 5, 2018 4 minutes ago, -W.A.R- said: Patience wasn't a b-side. The acoustic version of You're Crazy was also exclusive to Lies. Yea, I take it back, after looking again at the track list of the package. OIAM should have by all means been included, if the Lies stuff was to be - strangely, it's not. Suspicious and potentially disappointing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
killuridols Posted May 5, 2018 Share Posted May 5, 2018 19 minutes ago, Blackstar said: I didn't say they are comparable, because Patti Smith's song is clearly not racist, whereas Axl's, even if it wasn't conceived as such, is problematic for its context mostly, not the use of a couple of controversial words (and that's why people believing in certain ideas or confused people identified with it). The main reason though both songs have been perceived as offensive by the public opinion is the use of certain words, not so much the context. Of course GnR were a very commercially successful band so the backlash was bigger. And if you read the articles I posted, you'll see that the level of education of the people arguing there is -at least- above average. Yeah, I agree. I did read some of it, the discussions are very lengthy but I'm on mobile! I will save it for further deeper reading as I found it amazing. Thanks for sharing 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackstar Posted May 5, 2018 Share Posted May 5, 2018 (edited) For people who haven't watched it, the famous Oprah show about rock and rap lyrics (incl. OIAM) with Tipper Gore, Ice-T and Jello Biafra Edited May 5, 2018 by Blackstar 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EvanG Posted May 5, 2018 Share Posted May 5, 2018 (edited) My interpretation of this song has always been that it was written from the point of view of a small town white kid with a religious upbringing and having been taught to see the world like that, much like Axl himself and a lot of other people growing up under certain circumstances, but that it wasn't his point of view anymore at the time he wrote those lyrics. If I'm correct, then I don't find that offensive, just like I don't find Tarantino to be offensive when he makes movies that have a bunch of white people saying the N-word about 200 times. Edited May 5, 2018 by EvanG 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
estrangedtwat Posted May 5, 2018 Share Posted May 5, 2018 (edited) I don't get offended if Axl or Tarantino run around saying "nigggg nigg nigggg" all the time every day and MEAN it. Cause who gives a fuck? That's their right as human beings to love or hate whoever they want. Makes no difference to my life. Just cause they're famous they're not allowed to have opinions, stances, or feelings? OK. Edited May 5, 2018 by estrangedtwat Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Len Cnut Posted May 5, 2018 Share Posted May 5, 2018 35 minutes ago, username said: What if a group like NWA would remove all their songs containing the N-word from their catalogue. Damn. I'd be interested to listen to Efil4Zaggin bereft of all the 'n!ggas' actually, it would be comedy gold Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom-Ass Posted May 5, 2018 Author Share Posted May 5, 2018 9 hours ago, BOSSY78 said: It's not been erased. It's still on the album it was intended for which isn't AFD. Well the pretty much re-released LIES as part of this witha different name.. Added a song and removed One In A Million.. Patience, Used To Love her and You're Crazy all made it.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gambit83 Posted May 5, 2018 Share Posted May 5, 2018 Ernie C from BodyCount has the best response about it when I asked him in an interview. Alt Nation transcribed it. https://www.alternativenation.net/guns-n-roses-song-with-racial-slur-erased-from-history/ Also love Ernie's relationship with Duff.... 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackstar Posted May 5, 2018 Share Posted May 5, 2018 (edited) Some of the artists I like, e.g. David Bowie and Eric Clapton, have publicly said equally bad or worse things than what Axl said in OIAM. And what makes them even worse is that they said that stuff in plain statements, not in songs using their "poetic license" - because, like in literature, in the process of writing a song, the writer becomes a narrator, that is a character, even if the content is autobiographical and narrated/sung in the first person. But that doesn't prevent me from liking them all. Edited May 5, 2018 by Blackstar 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
donny Posted May 5, 2018 Share Posted May 5, 2018 i always thought hooray for tolerance! was a bigger issue than the N word in the song. at least it was when he sang bohemian rhapsody at the freddy mercury tribute show with Elton john. caused bit of a stink in the UK press that did Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soon Posted May 5, 2018 Share Posted May 5, 2018 56 minutes ago, username said: What if a group like NWA would remove all their songs containing the N-word from their catalogue. Damn. It would be interesting to revisit how censored and rejected NWA were for their track Fuck Tha Police. To compare and contrast the initial backlash to FTP and OIAM. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Download Posted May 5, 2018 Share Posted May 5, 2018 (edited) When did conservative values of free speech and limited government become a fringe political belief? If Axl is so liberal why not give the original members each 20% ownership and redistribute the GnR wealth? Or Did axl Capitalize on his position? Does Axl believe in personal responsibility? Seems like he does to me Nothing about Axl Rose seems liberal to me Its easy to get on twitter and shout "liberalism" from the keyboard but he seems to be very much a capitalist by action. Edited May 5, 2018 by Download Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
killuridols Posted May 5, 2018 Share Posted May 5, 2018 6 minutes ago, Gambit83 said: Ernie C from BodyCount has the best response about it when I asked him in an interview. Alt Nation transcribed it. https://www.alternativenation.net/guns-n-roses-song-with-racial-slur-erased-from-history/ Also love Ernie's relationship with Duff.... Of course it doesn't bother him because he's not the kind of N**** Axl is referring to in the song. He is a priviledged black person, not a gold chain seller in the streets. He's in equal power to a white powerful person and he's above someone else from his race and even above a bunch of white people. It doesn't bother him because he has his own share of mysogyny and other polemic lyrics about killing cops, etc. It'd be like the pot calling the kettle black if he was to go against Axl regarding this topic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
estrangedtwat Posted May 5, 2018 Share Posted May 5, 2018 1 minute ago, killuridols said: . It'd be like the pot calling the kettle black if he was to go against Axl regarding this topic. How dare you. Racist. Such intolerance. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
killuridols Posted May 5, 2018 Share Posted May 5, 2018 Just now, estrangedtwat said: How dare you. Racist. Such intolerance. You are a sad clown. Can't even do your job well as a clown. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gambit83 Posted May 5, 2018 Share Posted May 5, 2018 4 minutes ago, killuridols said: Of course it doesn't bother him because he's not the kind of N**** Axl is referring to in the song. He is a priviledged black person, not a gold chain seller in the streets. He's in equal power to a white powerful person and he's above someone else from his race and even above a bunch of white people. It doesn't bother him because he has his own share of mysogyny and other polemic lyrics about killing cops, etc. It'd be like the pot calling the kettle black if he was to go against Axl regarding this topic. Listen to Ernie's story. Very sad you have this view. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
estrangedtwat Posted May 5, 2018 Share Posted May 5, 2018 Well, I don't know about me, but I think your high and mighty act is getting a lot of laughs from plenty of posters. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Modano09 Posted May 5, 2018 Share Posted May 5, 2018 Maybe Axl isn't proud of it these days? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
killuridols Posted May 5, 2018 Share Posted May 5, 2018 6 minutes ago, Download said: When did conservative values of free speech and limited government become a fringe political belief? If Axl is so liberal why not give the original members each 20% ownership and redistribute the GnR wealth? Or Did axl Capitalize on his position? Does Axl believe in personal responsibility? Seems like he does to me Nothing about Axl Rose seems liberal to me Its easy to get on twitter and shout "liberalism" from the keyboard but he seems to be very much a capitalist by action. He always wanted to become a rich and powerful guy, probably as a revenge to his bullies. There's nothing socialist about Axl. He is as much of a capitalist as one can get. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tsinindy Posted May 5, 2018 Share Posted May 5, 2018 2 minutes ago, killuridols said: He always wanted to become a rich and powerful guy, probably as a revenge to his bullies. There's nothing socialist about Axl. He is as much of a capitalist as one can get. This is often the problem we have in America, people confuse someone being a liberal with being a socialist. In other words they think if someone is liberal (As Axl is nowadays) then they are also a socialist. It's ignorance really, but it is what it is. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AncientEvil80 Posted May 5, 2018 Share Posted May 5, 2018 Yes, people, let's make this topic and OIAM about politics. Pathetic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackstar Posted May 5, 2018 Share Posted May 5, 2018 12 minutes ago, Download said: When did conservative values of free speech and limited government become a fringe political belief? If Axl is so liberal why not give the original members each 20% ownership and redistribute the GnR wealth? Or Did axl Capitalize on his position? Does Axl believe in personal responsibility? Seems like he does to me Nothing about Axl Rose seems liberal to me Its easy to get on twitter and shout "liberalism" from the keyboard but he seems to be very much a capitalist by action. Redistribution of wealth (which is associated with socialism) and liberalism are two different things. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Download Posted May 5, 2018 Share Posted May 5, 2018 4 minutes ago, Blackstar said: Redistribution of wealth (which is associated with socialism) and liberalism are two different things. Not in the Bernie Sanders/ Tom Perez/ Elizabeth Warren Democratic party of 2018 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BadRain Posted May 5, 2018 Share Posted May 5, 2018 On 5/4/2018 at 9:26 AM, TMAC20 said: Bad ass song -Killer lyrics and bad ass Guitar by Slash =AXL telling the world what he thinks at that time in his life -I love this song -if it offends -grow a set -it was a true statement whether u agree with it or not is your own take - I have always loved this song Having the balls to include lyrics like that in a song (whether you like them or not) is the kind of ballsiness (combined with great songs) that made GNR a legend back in the late 80's. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackstar Posted May 5, 2018 Share Posted May 5, 2018 Just now, Download said: Not in the Bernie Sanders/ Tom Perez/ Elizabeth Warren Democratic party of 2018 Politicians with those views are not considered socialists, let alone marxists, where I come from - moderate social-democrats, at most. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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