The truth, and the end.

[SoulMonster]

7 minutes ago, Sydney Fan said:

Its unfortunate that slash and others in SKMC are a fan friendly band and the main band that slash is in that pays the dollars dont give a fuck about their own fanbase. You would think how far technology has come the band could remaster alot of touring videos and release but nope....i really wonder what slash thinks of the bands management style and how much money could be, but isnt being made.

What makes you think the decision to not release classic live shows is Team Brazil's and not Axl's? Axl is the one who seems insecure about releasing old material, even to the extent of re-recording his vocals for Live Era. I see no reason why Team Brazil, as long as it didn't interfere with their t-shirt business, would object to releasing old shows.

[Sydney Fan]

54 minutes ago, SoulMonster said:

What makes you think the decision to not release classic live shows is Team Brazil's and not Axl's? Axl is the one who seems insecure about releasing old material, even to the extent of re-recording his vocals for Live Era. I see no reason why Team Brazil, as long as it didn't interfere with their t-shirt business, would object to releasing old shows.

If that were the case wouldnt axl object to making sure ritz and the Tokyo 92 dvds would be out of print so to speak so they can no longer be produced and sold ?.

[Sydney Fan]

10 hours ago, WhazUp said:

- No, feel free to not share my viewpoint, but it is stupid in the age of 2019 to consider de-monetized videos fans enjoy to be the enemy, and to let two knuckleheads in the GNR fandom disrupt that

- Nope, it isn't about getting things "their way", it is about decency and respecting a fanbase when the fanbase isn't getting much in terms of material anyways so we are using what we have in the form of concert footage to simply enjoy a band's music that we love and want more of.  

- Yes, the surrounding posts around the ones you made 

Why is it metallica have no issues remastering their catalogue with some live shows ( AJFA case in point) yet GNR seem to be backwards..... 

[SoulMonster]

5 minutes ago, Sydney Fan said:

If that were the case wouldnt axl object to making sure ritz and the Tokyo 92 dvds would be out of print so to speak so they can no longer be produced and sold ?.

For some reason he, at some time, approved of their releases. I would think he still has no problem with them being out there, or, perhaps, that he consider the damage done and there is little he can do about it now. Bootlegs that only some fans have heard might be a different case.

But I am not saying I know Axl is against officially releasing old live shows, just that I find it plausible since he is very much in charge. And that I don't fathom why people immediately assume it is Team Brazil's fault. They seem eager enough to release stuff, as evidenced by all the merch. 

[Powderfinger]

7 hours ago, Old_school_gnr_fan said:

Point proven. You want everything for free at the click of a button.

Another thing--capitalism is proven to work. Socialism, not so much.

If you want to be a socialist and have everything handed to you, go to Venezuela. 90% of that country is now dirt poor thanks to socialism.

Good luck.

 

Fuck it, I’ll just break into your gaff and take what I need. 

[Sydney Fan]

11 hours ago, fernomenoyde said:

Thanks man, it is certanly nothing like 15 minutes. Thanks.

 

The record company, UMG, was making money with our videos, not deleting them. The strikes against channels came from pleaople TB hired. There's fisical proof on this very same thread.

If this is true can we delete fernandos account to this forum as a protest? 

[SoulMonster]

Can someone point to the fiscal proof that proves TB hired people to take down unauthorized Youtube videos?

[SoulMonster]

14 hours ago, Pele said:

Beta supplies this guy info. 

Again, how do you know this? 

[SoulMonster]

14 hours ago, killuridols said:

Interesting. Unfortunately, it is one more proof of how 'amateur' TB are.... 

No, it isn't "proof" of anything until it is somehow verified. At the moment it is just someone claiming stuff on the Internet. We have may of those.

[killuridols]

3 hours ago, SoulMonster said:

No, it isn't "proof" of anything until it is somehow verified. At the moment it is just someone claiming stuff on the Internet. We have may of those.

Why are you defending TB? 

They are highly unprofessional and not because some anonymous fan here on the forum is saying it.

There's plenty of proof about them being, at the least, disrespectful to the fans. 

Do I have to remind how Beta lashed out at AC/DC fans because some of them made negative comments about Axl? Fernando has made awful unprofessional comments to people too. On Twitter and Instagram. They both have shown their true colors to the world. Everybody saw it with their own eyes.

[SoulMonster]

7 minutes ago, killuridols said:

Why are you defending TB? 

I am defending them against accusations that they are in league with those that take down UT videos simply because I have seen no evidence that they are and because there are other possible explanations. Until I see such evidence, or until no other plausible explanation exists, I will refuse to jump on the bandwagon. That being said, I am not saying they are innocent here, so I am not defending them for having done it, I am defending them against an unsubstantiated accusation.

Furthermore, it does not help us, this forum or the fanbase, to perpetuate an already horrible relationship by assuming without evidence that TB has done this. There is plenty of good reasons to criticize them, but by piling on stuff that we don't know, as if we need more reasons, really just worsens the relation. It makes us seem out to take them and unreasonable. If we have any interest in building a working, mutually beneficial relationship with the band and its management -- and I would think that would make sense to us -- then we should refrain from this, while still criticizing them constructively on stuff they are undeniably guilty of (principally the amateurish communication with us).

[killuridols]

13 minutes ago, SoulMonster said:

Until I see such evidence, or until no other plausible explanation exists, I will refuse to jump on the bandwagon. That being said, I am not saying they are innocent here, so I am not defending them for having done it, I am defending them against an unsubstantiated accusation.

Why do you choose to believe them and not Gambit or Fernomenoyde? 

Why would these fans lie about what happened to them? 

Do you have any explanation for how easily it is to remove videos by a 'regular' user like #Alfred? Have you tried removing UT videos by yourself before? Have you succeeded?

17 minutes ago, SoulMonster said:

Furthermore, it does not help us, this forum or the fanbase, to perpetuate an already horrible relationship by assuming without evidence that TB has done this.

The relationship is broken by various reasons and I dont think it is going to change because they've shown they cannot be the better person.

They are in charge of a business, they have to be professional no matter what. I have worked in customer helpdesk and the number one rule is to soothe any client who is out of control. Of course, there are limits for toleration but for the most part, when you are representing a company you have to make much more effort than the client in trying to solve the situation. 

I know it is very hard for TB to deal with a starved fanbase but they could sooth any person by just talking in a civilized manner and explain things to them.

If it's a GN'R policy to not allow certain visual material to be online, then they should go upfront about it and make it explicit.

Fans would know that the band doesnt approve of those practices. If in spite of this petition, people still do it, then most of us would think those fans deserve to have their channels removed.

But the way it is now, a limbo, where we don't know why there is one person who apparently is not associated to the band, but displays such power that it is uncommon for a regular Joe user, it becomes highly suspicious, especially by the way Del James reacted to it and also Fernando.

[Legendador]

10 hours ago, Azifwekare said:

You always seem so mad about everything. Who hurt you?

The world, the topless chicks in the beach here in Brazil, Matt Sorum playing the same loop 189 times during November Rain, Paula Abdul, you know, the usual.

Come on, be a sport about it, don't take things so seriously, don't take me so seriously.

[steveysham]

10 hours ago, fernomenoyde said:

Hi, i'm a psychology student but thanks for your analysis about my human behavior. You've really lighten the truth here, IT IS ALL ABOUT ME HAVING NO LIFE AND FEELING OBSSESIVE ABOUT AXL'S INNER CLOTHES. Right? 

 

No I'm arguing the exact opposite. It's not about you in the slightest. No one cares if you're tired of the band.

[SoulMonster]

45 minutes ago, killuridols said:

Why do you choose to believe them and not Gambit or Fernomenoyde? 

I choose not to believe anyone who claims TB is behind this without any supporting evidence. 

Again, I am not saying TB isn't behind this, I am saying that until I see evidence for that, or there are no other plausible explanations, I won't join the mob.

[Tom2112]

16 hours ago, killuridols said:

Yes, this band is nowhere in the Top 40 of anywhere. They are irrelevant because they only live in the minds of Generation X.

The tour was successful because Slash was back (and Duff too) but it is purely nostalgia shit. People were willing to pay for the shows because most of us couldn't properly see them live in the 90s, as most of us were so young that we couldn't go by ourselves to the shows.

Now let's see if they will have such a successful tour in the following years. I'm not going to see them again. I know this very well. 

We will have to wait and see on all of the above.

I'm not going to see them again they have a drastically changed setlist it a new album that they can play songs from. But of course a couple of years for by and then end up I your country or reasonable travel distance, you and I may both be swayed. 

[killuridols]

11 minutes ago, SoulMonster said:

I choose not to believe anyone who claims TB is behind this without any supporting evidence. 

Again, I am not saying TB isn't behind this, I am saying that until I see evidence for that, or there are no other plausible explanations, I won't join the mob.

It is not a mob, it is people who have gone through bad experiences related to TB.

Their unprofessional behavior has been shown and proven many times.
By default, I would believe anyone who says they've been mistreated by TB because I know it is highly plausible.

[killuridols]

2 minutes ago, Tom2112 said:

I'm not going to see them again they have a drastically changed setlist it a new album that they can play songs from. But of course a couple of years for by and then end up I your country or reasonable travel distance, you and I may both be swayed. 

Fair enough.

But the way I feel about this band now tells me that I'm going a different path. They would have to release new music pretty soon and tour it within a year, so that I can still have some will inside of me to see them again.

Five years from now I'll be totally gone. I have almost two feet out of the door.

[SoulMonster]

4 minutes ago, killuridols said:

By default, I would believe anyone who says they've been mistreated by TB because I know it is highly plausible.

Okay.

[DieselDaisy]

I've been convinced for awhile that TB have something to do with it, if only a tacit acceptance (of removals).

[RussTCB]

59 minutes ago, SoulMonster said:

I choose not to believe anyone who claims TB is behind this without any supporting evidence. 

Again, I am not saying TB isn't behind this, I am saying that until I see evidence for that, or there are no other plausible explanations, I won't join the mob.

 

3 minutes ago, DieselDaisy said:

I've been convinced for awhile that TB have something to do with it, if only a tacit acceptance (of removals).

For what it's worth, I've seen both of the threats that were made from the people who said clearly that they were working with and for TB to take the videos down.

Here's my thing though; I do not want to believe TB has anything to do with the two people claiming to work on their behalf. The only thing I've wanted this whole time is for TB to come out and say that directly; "we have nothing to do with these two people. None of their actions are 'on our behalf' up an to and especially including threatening people's families".

A simple statement is all it would take for me to say "Ok, they say they're not involved with these two, so I will take them at their word". However, their silence is a real problem for me given the fact that I am 100% certain they are aware of the situation. Not only did Del acknowledge it (by insulting the fan base) but I know for certain the whole situation was brought to Fernando's attention, yet they've still said nothing. That's very troubling for me. 

[RussTCB]

Removed some posts. Sorry, but we are not going to allow suggestions that race and/or nationality have anything whatsoever to do with this issue.

Again; this issue has to do with a couple of people claiming they are working on behalf of Team Brazil. They've removed videos and threatened two families all while claiming they're doing so on behalf of Team Brazil. So, again; THAT'S the issue. There's absolutely nothing else going on here.

[SoulMonster]

1 hour ago, RussTCB said:

 

For what it's worth, I've seen both of the threats that were made from the people who said clearly that they were working with and for TB to take the videos down.

Here's my thing though; I do not want to believe TB has anything to do with the two people claiming to work on their behalf. The only thing I've wanted this whole time is for TB to come out and say that directly; "we have nothing to do with these two people. None of their actions are 'on our behalf' up an to and especially including threatening people's families".

A simple statement is all it would take for me to say "Ok, they say they're not involved with these two, so I will take them at their word". However, their silence is a real problem for me given the fact that I am 100% certain they are aware of the situation. Not only did Del acknowledge it (by insulting the fan base) but I know for certain the whole situation was brought to Fernando's attention, yet they've still said nothing. That's very troubling for me. 

It certainly is disconcerting. Still, there is no love lost between TB and parts of the fanbase and they might simply consider the accusation so ludicrous it is beneath them to even respond, especially since it is "just" us who asks. If someone like Blabbermouth questioned TB's role in this, and they still kept silent, then I would be worried. But I don't know.... We don't know they have anything to do with it, at best some of us believe it, yet they are getting flak as if they did it, and, just consider the alternative where they have nothing to do with it, threads like this will just continue to sour the relationship between us and them. Again, not saying there aren't much to criticize them for, and in this case also the radio silence when we ask them to refute the rumour, just that any jumping to conclusions, especially when it is something as grave as threats of violence, cannot possible do any good. Just consider the questions: Would you expect Team Brazil to handle an accusation that they have done something vile in a professional manner? None of us would, I think, so maybe it isn't surprising they aren't able or bothered to go on record and say they have nothing to do with what is happening (besides allowing it to happen)?

[RussTCB]

2 minutes ago, SoulMonster said:

It certainly is disconcerting. Still, there is no love lost between TB and parts of the fanbase and they might simply consider the accusation so ludicrous it is beneath them to even respond, especially since it is "just" us who asks. If someone like Blabbermouth questioned TB's role in this, and they still kept silent, then I would be worried. But I don't know.... We don't know they have anything to do with it, at best some of us believe it, yet they are getting flak as if they did it, and, just consider the alternative where they have nothing to do with it, threads like this will just continue to sour the relationship between us and them. Again, not saying there aren't much to criticize them for, and in this case also the radio silence when we ask them to refute the rumour, just that any jumping to conclusions, especially when it is something as grave as threats of violence, cannot possible do any good. Just consider the questions: Would you expect Team Brazil to handle an accusation that they have done something vile in a professional manner? None of us would, I think, so maybe it isn't surprising they aren't able or bothered to go on record and say they have nothing to do with what is happening (besides allowing it to happen)?

If someone was saying I was working with people who were threatening families, I'd be more than happy to respond no matter who said it. The moment I found out about it, I'd make it clear to anyone who would listen that I would never associate with people who threaten families on my behalf. Like I said before, I know for certain TB is aware of this whole situation. A simple "We have nothing to do with the people making these claims" would put the whole matter to rest. 

[SoulMonster]

27 minutes ago, RussTCB said:

If someone was saying I was working with people who were threatening families, I'd be more than happy to respond no matter who said it. 

So would I. But we are professional throughout, right?