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Axl Rose On Why He Shouldn't Have Been On the Use Your Illusion Tour

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58 minutes ago, DieselDaisy said:

They'll defend Rose like a maiden defending her chastity!

I'm surprised Len got away so lightly. I have been pelted with abuse for far less than saying Rose basically fabricated that he was bummed as a kid. Few ''innits'' will do that. 

I haven't read everything in this thread, I was referring to what Leonard was trying to say about mental health issues. As much as regression therapy sounds like bullshit yeah I'd be wary to say Axl's fabricating something like that for the simple fact that I'm just some guy on The Innernette and have no idea about Axl's personal life other than snippets that are in the public eye. 

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Besides, no one gave Len grief for being reluctant to accept Axl's claims that he was raped by his father. The discussion wasn't about that at all.

The discussion was more about how to treat people who struggle mentally and people felt Len's comments were insensitive and backwards.

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26 minutes ago, SoulMonster said:

Besides, no one gave Len grief for being reluctant to accept Axl's claims that he was raped by his father. The discussion wasn't about that at all.

The discussion was more about how to treat people who struggle mentally and people felt Len's comments were insensitive and backwards.

I have not really been following the argument too closely in fairness. The psychology mutterings of Rose are nonsensical at the best of times.

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1 minute ago, DieselDaisy said:

I have not really been following the argument too closely in fairness. 

We know.

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11 hours ago, Oldest Goat said:

I haven't read everything in this thread, I was referring to what Leonard was trying to say about mental health issues. As much as regression therapy sounds like bullshit yeah I'd be wary to say Axl's fabricating something like that for the simple fact that I'm just some guy on The Innernette and have no idea about Axl's personal life other than snippets that are in the public eye. 

I agree, claiming someone has fabricated the story of being sexually abused as a child is a strong accusation. In my eyes, Axl truly believes that, despite it actually being true or not. And we have known him to be quite easily impressionable for these kind of things. 

By the way, can anyone post a link to an interview where he talks about it? I have never actually seen it myself

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3 hours ago, vikute91 said:

I agree, claiming someone has fabricated the story of being sexually abused as a child is a strong accusation. In my eyes, Axl truly believes that, despite it actually being true or not. And we have known him to be quite easily impressionable for these kind of things. 

By the way, can anyone post a link to an interview where he talks about it? I have never actually seen it myself

Even if he were wrong and it didn't happen I would then feel sorry for him for that(thinking it is real unnecessarily, of course lol), rather than feeling duped in some way.

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15 hours ago, killuridols said:

The guy was living in a cloud of mental farts. Really.

You've got a great way with words :lol:

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Just now, soon said:

You've got a great way with words :lol:

Blame it on Argentina :smiley-confused2:

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4 minutes ago, killuridols said:

Blame it on Argentina :smiley-confused2:

But I love it!

I mean sure, objectively speaking, Argies are the worst. :lol: But youre one of the greatest and redeem the entire Nation. It goes Evita, you, Paulo, jaguars.

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3 minutes ago, soon said:

But I love it!

I mean sure, objectively speaking, Argies are the worst. :lol: But youre one of the greatest and redeem the entire Nation. It goes Evita, you, Paulo, jaguars.

Aww, Paulo :hug:, my Jaguars eating your Evitas de 100 :lol:

What I meant is that the expression that sounded funny to you is just another "translation" of local sayings, hehe

 

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16 hours ago, vikute91 said:

I agree, claiming someone has fabricated the story of being sexually abused as a child is a strong accusation. In my eyes, Axl truly believes that, despite it actually being true or not. And we have known him to be quite easily impressionable for these kind of things. 

By the way, can anyone post a link to an interview where he talks about it? I have never actually seen it myself

https://www.rollingstone.com/music/music-features/axl-rose-the-rolling-stone-interview-99204/

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On 15.3.2019 at 2:25 PM, Len Cnut said:

I didn’t say he wasn’t raped, I said I don’t buy it, meaning I don’t believe it.  Quite frankly I think its ridiculous claiming to remember shit from when you were 2 years old.  These ‘therapists’ get paid a great deal of money per hour to tell famous crackpots what they want to hear.

How people can be so ignorant is beyond me. Doesn't speak for ones intellect

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12 minutes ago, RageKage said:

How people can be so ignorant is beyond me. Doesn't speak for ones intellect

Do I give a fuck?  Listening to GnR doesn't speak for ones intellect :lol: There's one born every minute I guess, thats how these fuckin' rackets tick over.   Fake pseudo therapy and fuckin' crystals and past life regression and 'oooh, I'm possessed by the spirit of John Bonham', yeah, course you are sweetheart :rolleyes:

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8 minutes ago, RageKage said:

You're just too cool for school. Everyone knows that by now.

I'm @Len Cnut biggest fan (but that doesn't mean I'm going to sleep over on his ranch).

he brings life to this place. 

I think the secret weapon of any message board is a "funny cunt" like Len. If it weren't for the occasional laugh, I don't know what I'd be doing here. I'd probably be looking for other places that do have them.

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25 minutes ago, RageKage said:

You're just too cool for school. Everyone knows that by now.

I think perhaps your labouring under the misapprehension that I'm excluding myself from the comment regarding GnR fans being considered as lacking in intellect, sorry that hurt your feelings but I think it might be valuable to remind you that you were the one who began slinging his dick about the place going on about intellect. 

 

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Nothing speaks more of lacking an intellect when someone does not have the ability to question what is said and done, even if the one saying it and doing it is Jesus.... or in this case, the Jesus of GN'R fandom >> Mr. Axl Rose

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I also don't believe the recollections of rape brought back through regression therapy. I think it is bullshit. And I don't care how many people get mad at me for not believing almighty Axl.
I ain't a 13 years old fan girl anymore.

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We’re discussion intellect! On a GnR forum. lol 

I know I’m late to the discussion but here’s my 2 cents. So, I don’t care whether Axl’s rape when he was only 2 years old or not because we cannot know. I do think he went through a lot of emotional, mental stress and whether the rape actually happened or not - the pain and trauma is real for the mind and therapists do take memories and traumas like that seriously, for a couple of reasons.

Regression therapy and the other therapies he did are not even medically/scientifically based therapies and thus not trustworthy. (I totally call bs on them.) He seems to be in better shape now and I’m sure he saw or is seeing better therapists later in life.

What seems plausible to me is that Axl is / was an emotionally and mentally damaged person. We cannot know why and if all is due to his childhood upbringing or due to his mental illness(es). Whatever the illness is, by the way.  

It makes perfect sense that Axl on the one hand wanted to go touring UYI while not feeling ready and trying to postpone the tour. Sometimes it is two opposite things one wants to do. Maybe Niven thought starting the tour is for the best. To end all procrastination and perfectionism on the album, to keep Slash (and probably Duff, too) occupied so they don’t bloody die and also to not loose the momentum of GnR.

We know Axl went through extensive „therapy“ while on tour. It’s plausible he didn’t feel ready to begin with. I don’t see the point to not believing him. 

 

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"Based on very little information - I don't believe Axl(aka stranger I don't know) was raped and I feel the need to state this publicly and deserve to do so because I once was a fan." *cringes*

Not directing this at you @Len Cnut but rather generally to anyone taking that stance. I think you were somewhat indelicate and so now misunderstood. 

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3 hours ago, Len Cnut said:

I think perhaps your labouring under the misapprehension that I'm excluding myself from the comment regarding GnR fans being considered as lacking in intellect, sorry that hurt your feelings but I think it might be valuable to remind you that you were the one who began slinging his dick about the place going on about intellect. 

 

Yoy have been here long enough to know your not allowed to say anything against axl, fuck iv had post deleted cause i told the truth about him lol

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57 minutes ago, Oldest Goat said:

"Based on very little information - I don't believe Axl(aka stranger I don't know) was raped and I feel the need to state this publicly and deserve to do so because I once was a fan." *cringes*

Not directing this at you @Len Cnut but rather generally to anyone taking that stance. I think you were somewhat indelicate and so now misunderstood. 

You know how to keep from people commenting about your life publicly if that shit bothers you?  Maybe like not put it out there?  Raped at 2 years old and remembers that shit?  And not from no personal memory either but because a therapist told him, I must be a fuckin’ sceptic or something but that shit sounds pretty thin to me and if my position on this is objectionable consider the idea that there’s a two way possibility in regards to victimhood in this case.

Lemme simplify it even further.  Guy goes into therapy, comes out finding he witnessed a murder when he was two years old with a therapists statement corroborating that shit based on his professional opinion...how admissible do you think that would be in a court of law?  And if the answer is ‘not very’ why do you think that is?

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Axl believes a hell of a lot of shit that most rational thinking people would not. He's been quoted (back in the day) about all this stuff but i wonder if he still believes it all as fact, or has his opinion changed on regression therapy. 

 

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1 hour ago, Len Cnut said:

You know how to keep from people commenting about your life publicly if that shit bothers you?  Maybe like not put it out there?  Raped at 2 years old and remembers that shit?  And not from no personal memory either but because a therapist told him, I must be a fuckin’ sceptic or something but that shit sounds pretty thin to me and if my position on this is objectionable consider the idea that there’s a two way possibility in regards to victimhood in this case.

Lemme simplify it even further.  Guy goes into therapy, comes out finding he witnessed a murder when he was two years old with a therapists statement corroborating that shit based on his professional opinion...how admissible do you think that would be in a court of law?  And if the answer is ‘not very’ why do you think that is?

You don't know if he has personal memories. If it's been corroborated by family members. Any details. You and myself and all of us ultimately don't know shit. So why try and call him out on it? 

Yes Axl is/was mental and I'd criticise him on other things, regression therapy seems to be bullshit, it was malpractice of that therapist following him around doing that much 'therapy' etc. But you still don't know so why pretend?

Tell me the truth, would you have the gal to walk up to Axl and say "You weren't raped were ya?" I hope you wouldn't. I operate on the principle of I don't say anything I don't mean, I've never said anything on here I wouldn't say in real life to peoples faces.

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21 minutes ago, Blackstar said:

Just for clarification, in regards to Axl's claims: He claimed that some of the stuff was his own direct memories, it didn't all come through regression therapy. 

And some of the things he said about the context of the story are facts that can be confirmed from other sources - unknown if they were among the stuff he had memories of or he was informed about it somehow (e.g. from members of his family). Maybe he had some real memories and some of them were "misled" which he believed as true. But definitely it isn't all a "made-up" story. It has also been implied that there's more to it than what he said.

Personally I believe that something happened, not necessarily what he said, mainly because of the other things that have been implied which are more believable. But there can't be evidence for things like that.

Anyway, I think he probably regretted that he went public about this because of the reaction and that's why he stopped talking.

He'll certainly never be coming back to the forum with threads like this lol. 

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