European Parliment Election Results 2019

[AtariLegend]

It's the most ant-democratic vote in the world, where voters are forced to vote for unelected bureaus. How did they vote? ...And will Europe be living out a right fantasy of wide spread goose-stepping?

Here're some projections:

https://europeelects.eu/ep2019/

[DieselDaisy]

Get us out of this cock and balls. 

[soon]

Its events like this that help me remember that Portugal exists. Hey Portuguese friends! My Azores former bandmate used to called you mean names, but I know y'all are great.

[Len Cnut]

1 hour ago, DieselDaisy said:

Get us out of this cock and balls. 

Why are we in this anyway, I mean we’re leaving Europe supposedly, aren’t we?

[Padme]

14 minutes ago, Len Cnut said:

Why are we in this anyway, I mean we’re leaving Europe supposedly, aren’t we?

That's exactly what I was thinking. Those elected MEP must stay there for four years.The UK is leaving this year. They can't represent a country that is not a member

 

[AtariLegend]

The elections would be invalid if a member state didn't participate, that's why.

As for leaving, it's as likely as it was 2 years ago. Parliament isn't going to back leaving without a deal short of an election. 

Anyway tldr for those that weren't reading/watching. Torries got almost wipped out, UKIP too... both sets voters went with Farage. 

Lib Dems and Green surged, on the back of Labour not backing a second Referendum and trying to fudge.

Brexit party is biggest party, but this is pr. Remain parties overall got more votes on a whole whether your dubious about the Labour fudge. 

Across Europe the centre left types (labour ect.) and centre right (conservatives ect.) got squeezed, but are still biggest blocs.Centre/soft liberal (see Lib Dems) got more votes this time and the greens (like the greens surged). The far right didn't surge despite the tabloid fantasies. However the loonies (national front, la pen) in France did pick up slightly more than Macron in France, despite lossing ground, but basically like the last election in 14. Nothing changed. In Germany the greens surged, no afd goose stepping (Farage fantasy) sweeping all (they came 4th).

Basically you can read whatever result you mean into whatever. Nothing really changed.

I'd voted Green if I had the chance fyi. Unfortunately in Northern Ireland we'll end up with 1 DUP/1 sinn Fein and probably alliance as the 3rd seat. I'm dubious on Alliance, but they're the much lesser evil.

Edited May 27, 2019 by AtariLegend

[DieselDaisy]

Yip, the UK has definitely changed its mind about Brexit,

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Le Pen defeated Macron. Good night for Orban and Law and Justice also. AfD did poorer than expected.

As in Britain, the two centre parties (EPP and S&D) are buggered. Europe is sick of centrist politics.

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2014,

Projected 2019.

 

The Commies only gaining 3 more MEPs is a surprise as the far-left were expected to do well. Good night for the right-wing Eurosceptics though, from 88 to 114. But the big talking point is the utter collapse of EPP.

Edited May 27, 2019 by DieselDaisy

[DieselDaisy]

9 hours ago, AtariLegend said:

The elections would be invalid if a member state didn't participate, that's why.

As for leaving, it's as likely as it was 2 years ago. Parliament isn't going to back leaving without a deal short of an election. 

Anyway tldr for those that weren't reading/watching. Torries got almost wipped out, UKIP too... both sets voters went with Farage. 

Lib Dems and Green surged, on the back of Labour not backing a second Referendum and trying to fudge.

Brexit party is biggest party, but this is pr. Remain parties overall got more votes on a whole whether your dubious about the Labour fudge. 

Across Europe the centre left types (labour ect.) and centre right (conservatives ect.) got squeezed, but are still biggest blocs.Centre/soft liberal (see Lib Dems) got more votes this time and the greens (like the greens surged). The far right didn't surge despite the tabloid fantasies. However the loonies (national front, la pen) in France did pick up slightly more than Macron in France, despite lossing ground, but basically like the last election in 14. Nothing changed. In Germany the greens surged, no afd goose stepping (Farage fantasy) sweeping all (they came 4th).

Basically you can read whatever result you mean into whatever. Nothing really changed.

I'd voted Green if I had the chance fyi. Unfortunately in Northern Ireland we'll end up with 1 DUP/1 sinn Fein and probably alliance as the 3rd seat. I'm dubious on Alliance, but they're the much lesser evil.

I disagree with this. I'd say a lot has changed. The EPP, which has dominated European elections since 1979, has lost circa 100 MEPs and will have to go into coalition with ALDE and/or the Greens. For the first time in its history the European Parliament will not be dominated by EPP/S&D. That is quite a significant change indeed. 

Edited May 27, 2019 by DieselDaisy

[Padme]

11 minutes ago, DieselDaisy said:

Yip, the UK has definitely changed its mind about Brexit, 

 

Brexiters went from 52% in 2016 to 31% this time around. Brexit won 28 seats. Lib. Democrats 15, Labour 10, Greens 7= 32 seats. I wouldn't call that a huge win for Remain because it is not. But things has changed since 2016

9 hours ago, AtariLegend said:

The elections would be invalid if a member state didn't participate, that's why.

It's all too much of a technicality. The UK  already signed the necessary documents to leave. All that is left is a plan that UK Parliament need to pass.  Those people who were elected won't be around EU Parliament one year from now. Because the UK won't be a EU member

[DieselDaisy]

34 minutes ago, Padme said:

Brexiters went from 52% in 2016 to 31% this time around. Brexit won 28 seats. Lib. Democrats 15, Labour 10, Greens 7= 32 seats. I wouldn't call that a huge win for Remain because it is not. But things has changed since 2016

- Labour are remainer haha! You are also forgetting Plaid Cymru which would give you 1 extra remainer MEP. 

- 34.9% (you are forgetting UKIP, albeit they did not provide any additional seats).

Poor analogy, a European Parliamentary election in which the traditional Labour-Conservative binary tribal divisions compete, and a (non-party) referendum.

 

Edited May 27, 2019 by DieselDaisy

[DieselDaisy]

- Tommy Robinson lost his £5,000 deposit haha!

- Le Pen's National Rally (24%) Macron (22.5%) is truly seismic. How can anyone claim '' nothing really changed''?

Edited May 27, 2019 by DieselDaisy

[EvanG]

Glad to see so many pro-EU parties doing well. The UK is a fucking embarrassment and has been for too long now. Enough is enough, get the fuck out.

[DieselDaisy]

2 minutes ago, EvanG said:

Glad to see so many pro-EU parties doing well. The UK is a fucking embarrassment and has been for too long now. Enough is enough, get the fuck out.

There is nothing I personally would like more - trust me - but you should assign blame towards the EUphile Members of Parliament, at odds with the population who voted to leave in a national plebiscite, for the reason we are still stuck in the wretched organisation. 

[EvanG]

This is all your fault. Just get out, no deal, I don't care anymore. This is your last warning. 

[Dazey]

10 minutes ago, EvanG said:

Glad to see so many pro-EU parties doing well. The UK is a fucking embarrassment and has been for too long now. Enough is enough, get the fuck out.

Not all of us want to be out of the EU.  

[DieselDaisy]

1 minute ago, Dazey said:

Not all of us want to be out of the EU.  

True. Just not enough of you in the 2016 Referendum.

[Len Cnut]

18 minutes ago, EvanG said:

The UK is a fucking embarrassment

Go fuck yourself.

Edited May 27, 2019 by Len Cnut

[SoulMonster]

15 minutes ago, EvanG said:

Glad to see so many pro-EU parties doing well. The UK is a fucking embarrassment and has been for too long now. Enough is enough, get the fuck out.

Yes, happy to see that the prophesized end to the EU was greatly exaggerated.

But no, Britain should be part of the EU. They belong there. It makes them and the EU stronger. The Brits shouldn't be held hostage to a ridiculous referendum made under lies and threats and to the workings of racist demagogs and nostalgia for a bygone era. 

[DieselDaisy]

I don't know how anyone can spin this as a victory for the EU? Le Pen and Salvini (29%) have both won their national European elections! The Swedish Democrats (SD) also took a remarkable 17% (up from 7%). Poland and Hungary's (Orban) Eurosceptics, both in government, won. At first glance it is only really Alternative für Deutschland which has under-performed, but even here they have increased their percentage, 10% (up from 7%). 

 

[Padme]

33 minutes ago, DieselDaisy said:

- Labour are remainer haha! You are also forgetting Plaid Cymru which would give you 1 extra remainer MEP. 

- 34.9% (you are forgetting UKIP, albeit they did not provide any additional seats).

Poor analogy, a European Parliamentary election in which the traditional Labour-Conservative binary tribal divisions compete, and a (non-party) referendum.

 

Those who voted Labour are remainers. That little group who voted Tories are remainers. All those who voted Brexit Party are, well... Brexiters. UKIP is irrelevant because as you said they don't have not even one MEP. For that same reason I'm not counting remainers SNP voters. If you want Brexit and you have a Brexit party. Why would you bother to vote Labour, Lib.Dem, Green or Tories?

The overall elecion results around EU members is still showing that Conservatives(People's Party) and Socialist Party are the two main forces despite LePen, Orban, Farage, Green or any other party that won something.

[SoulMonster]

4 minutes ago, DieselDaisy said:

I don't know how anyone can spin this as a victory for the EU?

Has anyone said it was a "victory for the EU"? This is what I am talking about:  

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3. The far right didn’t reach expectations

Despite a strong showing in countries such as Poland, Hungary and Italy, the widely predicted far-right surge did not fully materialise. A strong showing for the pro-EU middle ground, typified by Spain’s socialist PSOE, dented the hopes of far-right leaders that the polls would provide a final breakthrough and present an opportunity to shape policy in Strasbourg. Matteo Salvini, leader of Italy’s far-right League and deputy prime minister, called the elections a mandate for a shake-up in Brussels. Although the Nationalists bloc to which the League belongs increased their seats in Strasbourg to 58, the result fell short of expectations.

And:

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5. Turnout: the big winner

EU officials were delighted by an increase in turnout to 51%, up from 43% in 2014. It was the first reverse in a trend of falling participation since the first direct EU vote in 1979. The turnout may muffle talk of a “democratic deficit” undermining the legitimacy of the EU. Luxembourg’s liberal prime minister, Xavier Bettel, tweeted: “Europe wins! Voter turnout very high and pro-European parties are strongest.”

Source: https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/may/27/five-things-we-have-learned-from-the-election-results-across-europe

 

 

Edited May 27, 2019 by SoulMonster

[DieselDaisy]

3 minutes ago, Padme said:

Those who voted Labour are remainers. That little group who voted Tories are remainers. All those who voted Brexit Party are, well... Brexiters. UKIP is irrelevant because as you said they don't have not even one MEP. For that same reason I'm not counting remainers SNP voters. If you want Brexit and you have a Brexit party. Why would you bother to vote Labour, Lib.Dem, Green or Tories?

The overall elecion results around EU members is still showing that Conservatives(People's Party) and Socialist Party are the two main forces despite LePen, Orban, Farage, Green or any other party that won something.

I don't think you understand Britain's political culture. I suspect those who voted Labour voted Labour because they're in Labour heartlands and are ''Labour people''.

[DieselDaisy]

2 minutes ago, SoulMonster said:

Has anyone said it was a "victory for the EU"? This is what I am talking about:  

And:

Source: https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/may/27/five-things-we-have-learned-from-the-election-results-across-europe

 

Fair enough but it is hard to see it as a victory for pro-EU parties when Eurosceptics have increased their MEPs by circa 30 and have won in France and Italy. Broadly, it is a defeat for centrism with that vote being reallocated to Eurosceptics on one hand, and ALDE/Greens on the other.  

[EvanG]

2 minutes ago, SoulMonster said:

Has anyone said it was a "victory for the EU"? This is what I am talking about:  

Exactly. And here the three parties that won are all very pro-EU and two out of three parties that are very Eurosceptic went from several seats to no seats at all!

[DieselDaisy]

1 minute ago, EvanG said:

Exactly. And here the three parties that won are all very pro-EU and two out of three parties that are very Eurosceptic went from several seats to no seats at all!

That is fair enough but elsewhere Le Pen beat Macron and France are a more important player in the European Union than Holland. Macron is a poster boy for Europhile-centrism whereas Le Pen is Europe's most famous right-wing nationalist. This is truly an important event.