SoulMonster Posted May 27, 2019 Share Posted May 27, 2019 57 minutes ago, DieselDaisy said: I would have thought you'd agree with many of his criticisms of the Qur'an, its incitement of terrorism, its advocacy for subjugation of women and homosexuals for example. Why do you think I don't? But I also fiercely disagree with his hatred of Muslims, his desire to throw them out of Europe and belief in Eurabia conspiracies, his pro-Israel stance in regards to Arabs and Muslims, and the fact that his opposition towards Islam seems to have little to do with its inherent irrationality but more as a protection of European culture/Christianity. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoulMonster Posted May 27, 2019 Share Posted May 27, 2019 27 minutes ago, DieselDaisy said: Love him or loath him, Farage is certainly the most charismatic and revolutionary persona in British politics today. Loath him. And I find him about as charismatic as a particularly repulsive toad. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post downzy Posted May 27, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted May 27, 2019 52 minutes ago, DieselDaisy said: Love him or loath him, Farage is certainly the most charismatic and revolutionary persona in British politics today. Regardless, and to use a British reference, he's still a twat. The same could be said about a lot of shitty leaders: Trump, Mussolini, Duterte, Reagan, Thatcher. 4 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieselDaisy Posted May 27, 2019 Share Posted May 27, 2019 2 minutes ago, downzy said: Regardless, and to use a British reference, he's still a twat. The same could be said about a lot of shitty leaders: Trump, Mussolini, Duterte, Reagan, Thatcher. That is why I included ''loath him'' in my post. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieselDaisy Posted May 27, 2019 Share Posted May 27, 2019 From this 2019 EU election, my area is officially the most Brexity area in Great Britain! Quote (Votes for Brexit Party), National: 31.6% North East: 38.73% East-Midlands: 38.23% East: 37% West Midlands: 37.66% Yorkshire: 36.5% South East: 36% South West: 36% North West: 31.23% Wales: 31% London: 17% Scotland: 14.8% We were beaten by the Midlands in the actual EU Referendum of 2016. Now we are top. So proud. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieselDaisy Posted May 27, 2019 Share Posted May 27, 2019 43 minutes ago, SoulMonster said: Loath him. And I find him about as charismatic as a particularly repulsive toad. I have to say I like him. I wouldn't vote for him but I like him. This is one of my favourites Farage speeches, Haha. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoulMonster Posted May 27, 2019 Share Posted May 27, 2019 Just now, DieselDaisy said: I have to say I like him. Of course you like him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieselDaisy Posted May 27, 2019 Share Posted May 27, 2019 Just now, SoulMonster said: Of course you like him. You'd be a Verhofstadt fan I suspect on account of his Gary Neville hair and patronising brand of politics? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoulMonster Posted May 27, 2019 Share Posted May 27, 2019 3 minutes ago, DieselDaisy said: You'd be a Verhofstadt fan I suspect on account of his Gary Neville hair and patronising brand of politics? Never heard of him. I don't like politicians based on how they look. And I can't think of any politician as patronising as Farage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieselDaisy Posted May 27, 2019 Share Posted May 27, 2019 1 minute ago, SoulMonster said: Never heard of him. I don't like politicians based on how they look. And I can't think of any politician as patronising as Farage. Well you mustn't know much about the European Union then as he is basically the most famous European Parliamentarian outside Farage, his nemesis. The two are famous for their spats. Funny looking bugger. Leads ALDE. Zealous Eurofederalist. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoulMonster Posted May 27, 2019 Share Posted May 27, 2019 3 minutes ago, DieselDaisy said: Well you mustn't know much about the European Union then as he is basically the most famous European Parliamentarian outside Farage, his nemesis. The two are famous for their spats. Funny looking bugger. Leads ALDE. Zealous Eurofederalist. I can afford not to, Norway unfortunately not being part of the EU. Besides, just like I don't care about how politicians look, I also don't put too much importance on individuals when assessing the value of a perpetual organization as the EU. People come and people go. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieselDaisy Posted May 27, 2019 Share Posted May 27, 2019 (edited) 5 hours ago, Padme said: Those who voted Labour are remainers. That little group who voted Tories are remainers. All those who voted Brexit Party are, well... Brexiters. UKIP is irrelevant because as you said they don't have not even one MEP. For that same reason I'm not counting remainers SNP voters. If you want Brexit and you have a Brexit party. Why would you bother to vote Labour, Lib.Dem, Green or Tories? The overall elecion results around EU members is still showing that Conservatives(People's Party) and Socialist Party are the two main forces despite LePen, Orban, Farage, Green or any other party that won something. Further on this, technically Labour (as Tories) are a party supporting Brexit, albeit a fudgy/ambiguous soft-Brexit. Their manifesto, No Labour supporter should be under any illusions that they are voting for a party of remain. Indeed, the BBC aren't regarding them as ''remain'' when collating the data of the election, nor are any of the newspapers, nor wikipedia. For process of completion, the Tory manifesto, Spoiler Edited May 27, 2019 by DieselDaisy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
downzy Posted May 27, 2019 Share Posted May 27, 2019 At this point, the UK should just get one with it and leave the EU, negotiations or not. Some people need to learn the hard way. No rational response is going to change their minds. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AtariLegend Posted May 27, 2019 Author Share Posted May 27, 2019 17 minutes ago, downzy said: At this point, the UK should just get one with it and leave the EU, negotiations or not. Some people need to learn the hard way. No rational response is going to change their minds. I think we need to just deport all the right wing basket cases and pensioners fed on a diet of Rupert Murdoch tabloids, the Daily Mail/Express/Telegraph like Diesel to their own island, then rename it anglo-saxon England. It would solve alot of problems. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieselDaisy Posted May 27, 2019 Share Posted May 27, 2019 34 minutes ago, downzy said: At this point, the UK should just get one with it and leave the EU, negotiations or not. Some people need to learn the hard way. No rational response is going to change their minds. You are sort of generalising by saying ''the UK''. The British population democratically (52%) voted to leave the organisation in 2016. The British population have just, by a 10% margin, elected a party called ''The Brexit Party'' last night. There is a majority that desires nothing more than to leave the organisation. Blame the Members of Parliament, especially among the centrist Conservatives and Labour Parties, for Britain not leaving, not the United Kingdom writ large. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieselDaisy Posted May 27, 2019 Share Posted May 27, 2019 24 minutes ago, AtariLegend said: I think we need to just deport all the right wing basket cases and pensioners fed on a diet of Rupert Murdoch tabloids, the Daily Mail/Express/Telegraph like Diesel to their own island, then rename it anglo-saxon England. It would solve alot of problems. What would the wickets be like on this island? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graeme Posted May 27, 2019 Share Posted May 27, 2019 Fuck yer Brexit. Scotland is European. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Padme Posted May 27, 2019 Share Posted May 27, 2019 2 hours ago, DieselDaisy said: Further on this, technically Labour (as Tories) are a party supporting Brexit, albeit a fudgy/ambiguous soft-Brexit. Their manifesto, No Labour supporter should be under any illusions that they are voting for a party of remain. Indeed, the BBC aren't regarding them as ''remain'' when collating the data of the election, nor are any of the newspapers, nor wikipedia. For process of completion, the Tory manifesto, Reveal hidden contents I understand that they want to respect the result of the referendum. They have said that from day one. BUT they are AGAINST hard Brexit. So IF you and people living in your area want hard Brexit DO NOT vote for a Labour candidate. Besides there are many Labour members with deferent ideas. A lot of them want a second referendum and/or people's vote. Yet others don't want any Brexit at all. For example Tony Blair and his fans (Call them names you want) within Labour Party Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dazey Posted May 27, 2019 Share Posted May 27, 2019 (edited) 57 minutes ago, downzy said: At this point, the UK should just get one with it and leave the EU, negotiations or not. Some people need to learn the hard way. No rational response is going to change their minds. I’d prefer not learn the hard way. My company has already made two full departments on our site redundant and moved all jobs to Rotterdam. I’d rather not be next. Edited May 27, 2019 by Dazey Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieselDaisy Posted May 27, 2019 Share Posted May 27, 2019 2 minutes ago, Padme said: I understand that they want to respect the result of the referendum. They have said that from day one. BUT they are AGAINST hard Brexit. So IF you and people living in your area want hard Brexit DO NOT vote for a Labour candidate. Besides there are many Labour members with deferent ideas. A lot of them want a second referendum and/or people's vote. Yet others don't want any Brexit at all. For example Tony Blair and his fans (Call them names you want) within Labour Party The Labour MP for my very own constituency proves that is incorrect. The official position of the Labour Party is that ''they accept the referendum result...and, seeks to unify the country around a Brexit deal'', i.e. a party advocating Brexit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieselDaisy Posted May 27, 2019 Share Posted May 27, 2019 (edited) 15 minutes ago, Graeme said: Fuck yer Brexit. Scotland is European. I never knew there was a serious proposition that Scotland wasn't European! Edited May 27, 2019 by DieselDaisy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EvanG Posted May 27, 2019 Share Posted May 27, 2019 8 minutes ago, Dazey said: I’d prefer not learn the hard way. My company has already made two full departments on our site redundant and moved all jobs to Rotterdam. I’d rather not be next. I would not want a hard Brexit either, or a Brexit at all, my country shares a large sea-border with the UK and therefore will be affected more so than most other EU countries, but... sigh... this is not going anywhere, at this point I'm like... get it over with already even if this means a no deal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Padme Posted May 27, 2019 Share Posted May 27, 2019 7 minutes ago, DieselDaisy said: The Labour MP for my very own constituency proves that is incorrect. The official position of the Labour Party is that ''they accept the referendum result...and, seeks to unify the country around a Brexit deal'', i.e. a party advocating Brexit. Second referendum, that's what Corbyn says. So much for advocating Brexit! https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/may/27/jeremy-corbyn-signals-more-support-for-second-referendum-after-voter-exodus Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieselDaisy Posted May 27, 2019 Share Posted May 27, 2019 (edited) 2 minutes ago, Padme said: Second referendum, that's what Corbyn says. So much for advocating Brexit! https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/may/27/jeremy-corbyn-signals-more-support-for-second-referendum-after-voter-exodus Have you followed the history behind that, how long it took for Corbyn to put his name to the second referendum idea? - In fact read that very article. Edited May 27, 2019 by DieselDaisy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
janrichmond Posted May 27, 2019 Share Posted May 27, 2019 7 hours ago, Len Cnut said: Everytime you say in toto i start to sing ‘we’re off to see the wizaaardd’ Gay 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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