Georgy Zhukov Posted June 24, 2012 Share Posted June 24, 2012 It's a crappy song anyway. There are better songs on Chinese Democracy.Like Scraped Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smokingarthur Posted June 24, 2012 Share Posted June 24, 2012 The song is perfect as it is. Ron's outro solo is beautiful. End of.Sorry it sucks, it plain sucks. Listen to the May version and listen to the album version. The demo was leaps and bounds more powerful, more beautiful. It expressed precisely what this song was. The song was ruined by tinkering and Ron's solo and outro. I'm sorry but it is true, Ron's solo isn't touching, it's too frenzied for this song. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wasted Posted June 24, 2012 Share Posted June 24, 2012 I think the solos really help with the delirium. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bruno P. Posted June 24, 2012 Share Posted June 24, 2012 The outro would be the best GnR moment to date to me - everything is perfect in there...the solo, the rhythm, Axl's vocals, the lyrics. Axl's vocals are the best I've ever heard from him - the most beautiful, I mean. It's a shame he doesn't sing like that live, but Ron improved the song live anyway... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yesterdaze Posted June 24, 2012 Share Posted June 24, 2012 The song is perfect as it is. Ron's outro solo is beautiful. End of.Sorry it sucks, it plain sucks. Listen to the May version and listen to the album version. The demo was leaps and bounds more powerful, more beautiful. It expressed precisely what this song was. The song was ruined by tinkering and Ron's solo and outro. I'm sorry but it is true, Ron's solo isn't touching, it's too frenzied for this song.What?!? The album version is light years more powerful. Ron's tone and solo are loud and upfront, really rocking the track. The insane drumming also trumps the demo's drum tracks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dalsh327 Posted June 24, 2012 Share Posted June 24, 2012 I love the song, but I also think it could've benefited from stripping down the song a bit. There's quite a few things in the song that you'll have some difficult hearing and might not notice unless you know it's there..Here's the song without Axl's lead vocals and the lead guitar:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yyZfOpebf-8If they did a mix without Axl singing in the background through it, people wouldn't call it "overproduced". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest RonMexico82 Posted June 24, 2012 Share Posted June 24, 2012 It is a mess, especially the outro, just noise cant even listen to it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Sandman Posted June 24, 2012 Share Posted June 24, 2012 The song is perfect as it is. Ron's outro solo is beautiful. End of.For me, also."Like I do..." and then the breakdown is excellent - love it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
finck6 Posted June 24, 2012 Share Posted June 24, 2012 my problem is the fact axl replaced brian may with bumblefoot on catcher track Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amir Posted June 24, 2012 Share Posted June 24, 2012 I like both solos. It wasn't the solo that ruined it, there's just too much going on. Production-wise I think it's too cluttered.This. And I like how bombastic the outro is. The problem is that the song doesn't build up to the huge outro, it's just a relentless wall of sound from the start. If it was just piano and Axl (and maybe acoustic guitar) at the beginning before building up to the solo and the outro it'd work much better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
finck6 Posted June 24, 2012 Share Posted June 24, 2012 I like both solos. It wasn't the solo that ruined it, there's just too much going on. Production-wise I think it's too cluttered.This. And I like how bombastic the outro is. The problem is that the song doesn't build up to the huge outro, it's just a relentless wall of sound from the start. If it was just piano and Axl (and maybe acoustic guitar) at the beginning before building up to the solo and the outro it'd work much better.wall of sound. phil spector's wall of sound? lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crash Diet Posted June 24, 2012 Share Posted June 24, 2012 The best GNR song to date imo. The Pitman synth before the solo isn't loud enough on the album version, the only flaw I could find compared to the demo...lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shotgunblues1978 Posted June 24, 2012 Share Posted June 24, 2012 I seriously think people like the Brian May version just because it's Brian May. While he solo was nice, it wasn't a great solo by May's standards, and the rest of the track was extremely dry/empty. The album version is much warmer and more full of life Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wasteofammo Posted June 24, 2012 Share Posted June 24, 2012 the demo is better than final version. CD's mixing did way too much to certain songs. Live versions tend to be superior to album. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
finck6 Posted June 24, 2012 Share Posted June 24, 2012 I seriously think people like the Brian May version just because it's Brian May. While he solo was nice, it wasn't a great solo by May's standards, and the rest of the track was extremely dry/empty. The album version is much warmer and more full of lifeseriously, brian may's magic is missing on catcher. bumblefoot isn't brian may Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rovim Posted June 24, 2012 Share Posted June 24, 2012 (edited) I seriously think people like the Brian May version just because it's Brian May. While he solo was nice, it wasn't a great solo by May's standards, and the rest of the track was extremely dry/empty. The album version is much warmer and more full of lifeI can honestly tell you that ever since the first time I've heard May's Catcher solo I loved it. So melodic and lyrical, with his distinct sound and every note just sounds right.It's really a collaboration between 3 people: May, Axl, and the producer and I guess it makes sense cause it fits so well as a solo, it almost sounds like a vocal line.So no, it's not because it's Brian May.Having said that, I like Ron's solo too. It has different things I like. Not quite as magical as May's solo tho.Both versions are cool but I think I prefer the demo over the final studio version. I also miss Pitman's synth solo the way it was. Edited June 24, 2012 by Rovim Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
finck6 Posted June 24, 2012 Share Posted June 24, 2012 I seriously think people like the Brian May version just because it's Brian May. While he solo was nice, it wasn't a great solo by May's standards, and the rest of the track was extremely dry/empty. The album version is much warmer and more full of lifeI can honestly tell you that ever since the first time I've heard May's Catcher solo I loved it. So melodic and lyrical, with his distinct sound and every note just sounds right.It's really a collaboration between 3 people: May, Axl, and the producer and I guess it makes sense cause it fits so well as a solo, it almost sounds like a vocal line.So no, it's not because it's Brian May.Having said that, I like Ron's solo too. It has different things I like. Not quite as magical as May's solo tho.Both versions are cool but I think I prefer the demo over the final studio version. I also miss Pitman's synth solo the way it was.i agree. bumblefoot's catcher studio solo isn't magical. brian may's catcher studio solo is rock magic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dalsh327 Posted June 25, 2012 Share Posted June 25, 2012 I seriously think people like the Brian May version just because it's Brian May. While he solo was nice, it wasn't a great solo by May's standards, and the rest of the track was extremely dry/empty. The album version is much warmer and more full of lifeHave to keep in mind it was a rough mix. There's prob. better versions of it in Axl's vault. I'm sure he was in no rush to leave sunny Malibu. They could do a remix job on it with Brian's solos if they wanted to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
finck6 Posted June 25, 2012 Share Posted June 25, 2012 I seriously think people like the Brian May version just because it's Brian May. While he solo was nice, it wasn't a great solo by May's standards, and the rest of the track was extremely dry/empty. The album version is much warmer and more full of lifeHave to keep in mind it was a rough mix. There's prob. better versions of it in Axl's vault. I'm sure he was in no rush to leave sunny Malibu. They could do a remix job on it with Brian's solos if they wanted to.there's lots of unreleased chinese democracy material in axl's vault Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Damn_Smooth Posted June 25, 2012 Share Posted June 25, 2012 I seriously think people like the Brian May version just because it's Brian May. While he solo was nice, it wasn't a great solo by May's standards, and the rest of the track was extremely dry/empty. The album version is much warmer and more full of lifeHave to keep in mind it was a rough mix. There's prob. better versions of it in Axl's vault. I'm sure he was in no rush to leave sunny Malibu. They could do a remix job on it with Brian's solos if they wanted to.there's lots of unreleased chinese democracy material in axl's vaultRight where it will most likely stay. It's rather obvious that the record company wasn't too fond of CD's sales, or it would have been released by now. I guess it probably never will be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flayer Posted June 25, 2012 Share Posted June 25, 2012 May's solo to me is boring up until the last two seconds. I take Bumblefoot's any day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arnold layne Posted June 25, 2012 Share Posted June 25, 2012 I will give it another listen. I remember I loved the Brian May version and being extremely let down with the studio, but I was using computer speakers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nintari Posted June 25, 2012 Share Posted June 25, 2012 (edited) As with most songs on CD, great music, completely over produced. Seriously. I love A LOT of the songs off that album and it doesn't stop be from listening to them but the over production is just inSANE. Edited June 25, 2012 by Nintari Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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